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Medrea
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They did say they were steering away from performance per dollar and looking more at performance per watt. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
The real questions are about how well updated 22nm overclocks and maybe if there are some changes under the heatspreader. (that and about TSX actual benefits and adoption speed) It's not like Intel's in a hurry to push up default clock speeds, without pressure from AMD in high-performance laptop / desktop / server computing. | ||
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Shauni
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Rumiko
United Kingdom17 Posts
Budget:8000-10000NOK (~13-1600USD) Resolution: 1920x1080 / 1680x1050 Uses:Gaming, streaming, photo/video editing Upgrade Cycle:3+ years Overclocking:Yes SLI or Crossfire: Maybe, the option to do so would be great but not needed I'm buying parts from http://komplett.no and http://scan.co.uk (case only) OS: Got it (Win7 Ultimate 64bit) HDD+SSD: Got it (some old 5400rpm 1TB for storage and Corsair SSD Force Series 3 120 GB for OS+games) CPU Cooling: Got it (Antec Kühler H2O 620 - is it ok? I'm fine buying a new one) MOBO 1200,- MSI Z77A-G45 Thunderbolt, Socket-1155 ATX, Z77, DDR3, 2xG3+1xG2-PCIe-x16, SLI/CFX, VGA, HDMI, Thunderbolt, UEFI Z77A-G45 THUNDERBOLT GPU 1500,- XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0, 2xDVI, HDMI, 2xmini-DisplayPort, 1000MHz, Ghost Thermal FX-787A-CNFC CPU 2300,- Intel® Core i7-3770K Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.5GHz, 8MB, 77W, HD4000, Boxed w/fan BX80637I73770K RAM 550,- Corsair XMS3 2133MHz 8GB Vengeance CL11 Kit w/2x 4GB, CL11-11-11-27, 1.5V, Vengeance Red Heatspreader, 240 pin CMZ8GX3M2A2133C11R PSU 750,- XFX ProSeries XXX Edition 850W PSU ATX 12V V2.2, 80 Plus Bronze, Modular, 4x 6+2pin PCIe, 19x SATA, 16x Molex P1-850X-XXB9 CD/DVD/BD 450,- Lite-On DVD/Blu-Ray Reader, iHOS104-06 SATA, 4x BD-ROM Read, 8x DVD-ROM Read, Bulk, BLACK iHOS104-06 Link to all items: http://www.komplett.no/k/shoplist.aspx?mode=receive&si=1173407&su=4C50FD8F-1421-4705-B78A-B82B02EB6C33 Total: 6750 NOK (~1210 usd) This is before getting a case. A cheap-ish case with lots of room is fine as I'm studying abroad and I'll probably try to move parts with me back and forth if possible. If there is anyone with experience bringing their pcs through the airport too I'd love to get some tips in that department as well. | ||
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Shauni
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On December 27 2012 07:21 Rumiko wrote: Hi! Looking for suggestions to improve the list of parts that I'm buying and bringing with me to the UK after holidays: Budget:8000-10000NOK (~13-1600USD) Resolution: 1920x1080 / 1680x1050 Uses:Gaming, streaming, photo/video editing Upgrade Cycle:3+ years Overclocking:Yes SLI or Crossfire: Maybe, the option to do so would be great but not needed I'm buying parts from http://komplett.no and http://scan.co.uk (case only) OS: Got it (Win7 Ultimate 64bit) HDD+SSD: Got it (some old 5400rpm 1TB for storage and Corsair SSD Force Series 3 120 GB for OS+games) CPU Cooling: Got it (Antec Kühler H2O 620 - is it ok? I'm fine buying a new one) MOBO 1200,- MSI Z77A-G45 Thunderbolt, Socket-1155 ATX, Z77, DDR3, 2xG3+1xG2-PCIe-x16, SLI/CFX, VGA, HDMI, Thunderbolt, UEFI Z77A-G45 THUNDERBOLT GPU 1500,- XFX Radeon HD 7870 2GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 3.0, 2xDVI, HDMI, 2xmini-DisplayPort, 1000MHz, Ghost Thermal FX-787A-CNFC CPU 2300,- Intel® Core i7-3770K Processor Socket-LGA1155, Quad Core, 3.5GHz, 8MB, 77W, HD4000, Boxed w/fan BX80637I73770K RAM 550,- Corsair XMS3 2133MHz 8GB Vengeance CL11 Kit w/2x 4GB, CL11-11-11-27, 1.5V, Vengeance Red Heatspreader, 240 pin CMZ8GX3M2A2133C11R PSU 750,- XFX ProSeries XXX Edition 850W PSU ATX 12V V2.2, 80 Plus Bronze, Modular, 4x 6+2pin PCIe, 19x SATA, 16x Molex P1-850X-XXB9 CD/DVD/BD 450,- Lite-On DVD/Blu-Ray Reader, iHOS104-06 SATA, 4x BD-ROM Read, 8x DVD-ROM Read, Bulk, BLACK iHOS104-06 Link to all items: http://www.komplett.no/k/shoplist.aspx?mode=receive&si=1173407&su=4C50FD8F-1421-4705-B78A-B82B02EB6C33 Total: 6750 NOK (~1210 usd) This is before getting a case. A cheap-ish case with lots of room is fine as I'm studying abroad and I'll probably try to move parts with me back and forth if possible. If there is anyone with experience bringing their pcs through the airport too I'd love to get some tips in that department as well. If you'd be moving back and forth a lot, why not go for a mitx or at least matx build? Bitfenix Prodigy, Silverstone PS07B for instance? Most people would advice against the XFX version of 7870. The Sapphire or Gigabyte variants are better alternatives. Also gAmER RAM... | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On December 27 2012 07:16 Shauni wrote: I thought the huge thing about Haswell was AVX2, not TSX? From what I've read, it might be powerful enough to render GPGPU useless. Plain AVX support in software is slow enough as it is (edit: I mean the adoption of support is slow, not the performance. that was confusing), and unless you're operating on certain kinds of floating-point data, where's the benefit? Just counting peak theoretical FLOPs, extensions like AVX are where the gains are, but for mixed or more integer workload...? Also, there are so much more execution resources per area for GPUs that it's definitely not a threat to GPGPU. What happens when you take a CPU, remove most of the traditional northbridge-type stuff, remove a lot of the L2/L3-type cache, vastly simplify things and streamline the cores because you're processing commands in order (IIRC) and aren't required to support a whole bunch of legacy commands and extensions, and then use all the saved space to make a whole bunch of copies of the execution resources? Agreed on comments for Rumiko's build. XFX ProSeries XXX (80 plus bronze, semi-modular) these days are the new Seasonic M12II, like in NZXT Hale82-M. These are just the modular versions of Corsair TX V2 and XFX ProSeries Core (650W and up). The price is actually kind of reasonable there, though ridiculous overkill of course. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On December 27 2012 04:58 Aocowns wrote: This is a quick laptop question, I dunno if that's answered here but found it too silly to make a thread for it Intel Core i7-3610QM Ivy Bridge 8 GB DDR3 1600 MHz 500 GB harddisk Radeon™ HD 7670M 2GB -About 1000$ I think GeForce GT640 2GB Core i5-3210M 8GB RAM 500GB HDD -Costs maybe 30$ more than the other one Which one of these would be best for games like SC2, CS:GO, Dishonored, Shogun2(Can it even play Shogun?), Dota2 etc. That's mainly what I'm looking for, as both these laptops would surely cover browsing, minecraft, movies and music more than good enough. Also, if these are way overpriced and I can find better if I look more, do tell  edit: resolution is like 1366x768 I would probably pick the second one because both machines have good cpus paired with relatively weak gpus (like basically all laptops out there). Since the gpus are likely going to be the bottleneck in both for most of what you do (gaming?), pick the one with noticeably better gpu. At least that's my logic. I'd say the $30 difference is worth it. All of those games should run fine on both, although you won't be playing with all settings maxed out, especially the ones like Shogun. | ||
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Rumiko
United Kingdom17 Posts
On December 27 2012 07:33 Shauni wrote: If you'd be moving back and forth a lot, why not go for a mitx or at least matx build? Bitfenix Prodigy, Silverstone PS07B for instance? Most people would advice against the XFX version of 7870. The Sapphire or Gigabyte variants are better alternatives. Also gAmER RAM... Thanks a lot for the feedback. I've still got time to decide on a case, and I don't want to compromise my build to move it through airports. I've already done a move and it ended up more expensive than it'd be having a second case. I might just invest in a better laptop when I have money for that. Changes: GPU: I've heard good things about Gigabyte's 7870, but Komplett.no seems to out of stock until February so I'll be buying that from Scan instead. http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-gigabyte-radeon-hd-7870-overclocked-4800mhz-gddr5-28nm-gpu-1100mhz-dl-dvi-hdmi-mdp PSU: I'll give the Corsair TX 650w a shot instead of previously planned overwattage. (sale blindness shh). RAM: I somehow missed that the Kingston HyperX 2133MHz is a bit cheaper(and blue) so I'm getting that instead. Updated list (plus Gigabyte 7870): http://www.komplett.no/k/shoplist.aspx?mode=receive&si=1173407&su=4C50FD8F-1421-4705-B78A-B82B02EB6C33 Total is now ~$935+ 300 for cpu which is fine Again, thanks a lot. If there's any other changes I could/should do I really appreciate the feedback  | ||
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Medrea
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On December 27 2012 07:47 Myrmidon wrote: Plain AVX support in software is slow enough as it is, and unless you're operating on certain kinds of floating-point data, where's the benefit? Just counting peak theoretical FLOPs, extensions like AVX are where the gains are, but for mixed or more integer workload...? Also, there are so much more execution resources per area for GPUs that it's definitely not a threat to GPGPU. What happens when you take a CPU, remove most of the traditional northbridge-type stuff, remove a lot of the L2/L3-type cache, vastly simplify things and streamline the cores because you're processing commands in order (IIRC) and aren't required to support a whole bunch of legacy commands and extensions, and then use all the saved space to make a whole bunch of copies of the execution resources? Agreed on comments for Rumiko's build. XFX ProSeries XXX (80 plus bronze, semi-modular) these days are the new Seasonic M12II, like in NZXT Hale82-M. These are just the modular versions of Corsair TX V2 and XFX ProSeries Core (650W and up). The price is actually kind of reasonable there, though ridiculous overkill of course. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0xYrk.jpg) This is what happens. New Avalon ASIC miner. | ||
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Serpico
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CORSAIR XMS 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 MSI Z77A-G41 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 GIGABYTE GV-N660OC-2GD GeForce GTX 660 2GB Intel Core i5-3570 Ivy Bridge 3.4Ghz Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM SATA COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO Heatsink (only minor part in build) XIGMATEK FCB (Fluid Circulative Bearing) Cooling System XLF-F1254 120mm White LED Black Case Fan total: $719.93 Prices from newegg. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On December 27 2012 09:22 Rumiko wrote: Thanks a lot for the feedback. I've still got time to decide on a case, and I don't want to compromise my build to move it through airports. I've already done a move and it ended up more expensive than it'd be having a second case. I might just invest in a better laptop when I have money for that. Changes: GPU: I've heard good things about Gigabyte's 7870, but Komplett.no seems to out of stock until February so I'll be buying that from Scan instead. http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-gigabyte-radeon-hd-7870-overclocked-4800mhz-gddr5-28nm-gpu-1100mhz-dl-dvi-hdmi-mdp PSU: I'll give the Corsair TX 650w a shot instead of previously planned overwattage. (sale blindness shh). RAM: I somehow missed that the Kingston HyperX 2133MHz is a bit cheaper(and blue) so I'm getting that instead. Updated list (plus Gigabyte 7870): http://www.komplett.no/k/shoplist.aspx?mode=receive&si=1173407&su=4C50FD8F-1421-4705-B78A-B82B02EB6C33 Total is now ~$935+ 300 for cpu which is fine Again, thanks a lot. If there's any other changes I could/should do I really appreciate the feedback No, you should change it back, the special price on the XFX 850w is a better buy, that's why I crossed my previous sentence. Normally the TX 650w would be cheaper than it. Also, the only thing you have to compromise in a smaller build is the size of the motherboard, but maybe I don't understand your dilemma. There are lots of good gaming matx/mitx cases that fits full length graphics cards and several fans. The only real "catch" is not having 10 3'5 slots and 5 5'25 slots which nobody uses anyway. And perhaps that building might feel a bit more annoying and cramped with all the wires. And by gamer RAM I implied that you should perhaps choose some more discrete ex valueram 1333mhz instead of super heatsink 2133mhz ram. No big price difference, but your choices are really not necessary, and might block eventual CPU coolers in the future. | ||
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LiLSighKoh
United States588 Posts
I plan on getting: i5 3570k cpu 230$ Msi-z77a-G43 mobo - 125$ I rounded both, Plus i plan on getting a Cooler Master 500 watt Psu i was wondering if what im upgrading to will run SC2 smoothly at 60+ fps while streaming at 1280 x 720 resolution at medium settings. Right now i run sc2 on medium with 60fps without streaming. Also running a GT 520, but i dont plan on getting a new Gpu right now due to lack of funds. Also wondering if i will need a new fan/cooling system? I'm a pc scrub so please help me out! | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
Cooler master doesn't make good PSU's, what is your gpu? And those prices suck, where are you buying from? | ||
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LiLSighKoh
United States588 Posts
On December 27 2012 09:58 Rachnar wrote: You will need a heatsink yes, Xigmatek Gaia SD1283 (20$ on newegg right now) is good Cooler master doesn't make good PSU's, what is your gpu? And those prices suck, where are you buying from? Just edited my post, im stuck with bestbuy, because i got a 50$ gift card for there, unless i can buy a visa card or something and use it online? Edit: cant buy those with a bb gift card, so pretty much stuck with besbuy | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Reconsider the Cooler Master PSU unless somehow it's a $50 deal or so on a Silent Pro M. Your current system uses DDR3 now, right? | ||
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LiLSighKoh
United States588 Posts
On December 27 2012 10:10 Myrmidon wrote: Best Buy prices are usually ridiculous. Unless you want to pay higher prices overall, maybe just go for one item there like the i5-3570k to use up the gift card. Reconsider the Cooler Master PSU unless somehow it's a $50 deal or so on a Silent Pro M. Your current system uses DDR3 now, right? You are very smart, i'm assuming newegg has the mobo and cpu for cheaper? I can just buy the heat sink and a psu with my 50$ gift card How would i find out if my system is running ddr3? Pc noob :/ | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
AsRock Z75 Pro3 ($85). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304 If your case is wide enough to fit ~160mm above the motherboard tray then a typical 120mm fan tower cooler like the $20 Xigmatek Gaia would fit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082 Otherwise you'd have to look at other options. For power supply, if you can't afford more, get Corsair CX430: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026 Otherwise, Rosewill Capstone at $60 or if you can catch the Shell Shocker (deal ending soon), the Rosewill Fortress for $70 before $25 rebate: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182081 You can open up the computer and look at it, but RAM can be detected by software easily. I forget if it shows up anywhere in Windows, but you can download and run something like CPU-Z or Speccy probably. If you know what your motherboard is, then that would tell you as well. Actually, if you have certain processors, that can tell you too, but some models for a time could be used with either DDR2 or DDR3 depending on the system. | ||
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Rumiko
United Kingdom17 Posts
On December 27 2012 09:47 Shauni wrote: No, you should change it back, the special price on the XFX 850w is a better buy, that's why I crossed my previous sentence. Normally the TX 650w would be cheaper than it. Also, the only thing you have to compromise in a smaller build is the size of the motherboard, but maybe I don't understand your dilemma. There are lots of good gaming matx/mitx cases that fits full length graphics cards and several fans. The only real "catch" is not having 10 3'5 slots and 5 5'25 slots which nobody uses anyway. And perhaps that building might feel a bit more annoying and cramped with all the wires. And by gamer RAM I implied that you should perhaps choose some more discrete ex valueram 1333mhz instead of super heatsink 2133mhz ram. No big price difference, but your choices are really not necessary, and might block eventual CPU coolers in the future. Ah I see, changed back to XFX.. And good point with the RAM, esp. if I'm actually going through with matx/mitx. I had a look at matx cases and I think the NZXT Vulcan could be good for my use. Had a case with a handle earlier(good old cooler master ammo 533) and it's super sweet for moving around. Got any recommendations for a new mobo that would suit the build inside a NZXT Vulcan? Komplett.no seems to be selling these: http://www.komplett.no/k/search.aspx?q=matx hovedkort - spending a bit more on a solid mobo on that list is fine with me. | ||
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