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On December 26 2012 13:13 skyR wrote:
First of all, no one was insisting on purchasing the 212 EVO. Second of all, shipping kills that deal.
Shipping doesn't kill the deal, at $55 it's still the best deal around. Even for $60 it can't be beat new price. $75 would just make it a good price but not worth getting unless you really needed cooling (which, frankly, I think you do on a 3570k, the difference between a high end cooler and a 212 is night and day, your talking a good 20*C+ just stock vs hyper 212 with push/pull at higher end heat ranges).
At around $55 it's just a way better deal than the hyper 212 around $25+. The hyper 212 is a terrible heatsink, it's just good for the price. The stock heatsink is also good for the price.
I know no one insisted on it, I was talking to the man saying he was planning on the hyper 212 evo. I was simply posting to dissuade him from it. Go for the hyper 212 if your strapped for cash, but really you are just better staying on stock until you can afford a better cooler than go for the hyper 212, given that the assassin can be had, new, for $49+shipping, or an nh-d14 for $40 used on ebay.
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Yes, shipping does kill the deal. It's $40 + $26 (to my address) + possible duties & brokerage fees. A Noctua NH-D14 for $50 destroys that deal.
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On December 26 2012 13:08 iTzSnypah wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2012 12:24 Belial88 wrote:
I would strongly recommend against the hyper 212 evo. It's just a hyper 212+ with a bad lap job and a slightly better fan that is still loud as fuck and your just going to end up replacing anyways. My point is that the evo is not a better heatsink than the hyper 212+ - you can do a better lap job yourself (not that I'd even recommend that), and most critically, it's not worth the $9 price premium. I would strongly recommend you read up on the differences between the Evo and Plus. Evo has higher FPI than the Plus. Also the Evo and Plus are normally around the same price.
I am well aware of the differences between the evo and plus, but fins per inch does not always translate into more performance. Higher fins per inch is also going to be louder, although at that price range I don't think sound is the biggest concern, but more fpi can reduce cooling on a lower static pressure fan. As complicated as all of this can be, real world testing has simply shown the evo to be only 1-2*C better at most, apples to apples, and only 1-3*C stock vs stock.
Basically, the lapjob is the reason it cools better than the 212+, and it's simply not worth the price premium, If the hyper 212 evo was maybe around $1-4 more expensive, it'd be worth it. At $5+, it's simply not worth it when you can get better cooling performance and cheaper, with a hyper 212+ with 1.5g of PK-3. or you can get even cheaper, high grade paste for less than that, that will have a bigger impact on cooling (the stock CM paste is rather terrible).
With the ~$9 price premium, you are much better off buying a hyper 212+, a better fan, and high grade thermal paste, for your money.
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On December 26 2012 13:40 skyR wrote:
Yes, shipping does kill the deal. It's $40 + $26 (to my address) + possible duties & brokerage fees. A Noctua NH-D14 for $50 destroys that deal.
Where can you find a NH-D14 for $50 new?
I'd recommend buying an NH-d14 or similar dual tower used over a new assassin at $39+ shipping but as far as new heatsinks go, it's the best deal.
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On December 26 2012 12:18 Myrmidon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 26 2012 11:57 iTzSnypah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Useful System Info:
Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 @3.2Ghz
MSI P35 Diamond ATX
Evga 9800 GTX @770/1910
Seagate 750GB SATA II 7200rpm HDD
Beige Beast Case
HP vs17 17" 1280 x 1024 60Hz Monitor
I want to upgrade something as I got a good amount of loot from Christmas.
Max Budget: ~$200
I'm debating between:
1080p Monitor
New Case+Fan controller+Fans
My current case is terrible, the only thing that works is the power button as all the other cords are missing. So I'm thinking a new case would be useful now and later when I upgrade my system. Although when I upgrade my system I kind of want to go mATX or smaller, however I would need an ATX case to fit my current components.
I don't think my GPU is powerful enough to play games at 1080p. Currently I barely average 60FPS in the Farcry 2 built-in benchmark (ranch short) on DX9 Medium.
So what do you guys think? Monitor or Case? Or something completely different? Maybe both? Definitely not $200 for a case and cooling alone, especially if you'd rather have mATX later on. Like Asus VS229H-P (can use as secondary down the road I guess) and NZXT Source 220 or whatever. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236205http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146083
Ooh I can get the Monitor from Walmart for $144 and since I'll have it shipped to store, free shipping.
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NCIX sold out of it at $49, ME has the 2011 variant for $50 (just message Noctua for free mounting bracket).
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wow that's pretty cool. yea i got a 2011 myself, noctua sent me a free mounting bracket (since no mount got it for only $30). the pwm fans are better than the standard nh-d14, your actually better off buying a 2011 and just getting noctua to send you the y splitter, standard mount, and sticker free.
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Okay, so after looking around a little, I think I may have finalized* my build.
*Knowing myself, I probably won't be truly finalized until it's too late.
CPU: i5 2500k $140 Micro Center
GPU: MSI GTX 650 Ti $130 w/ Rebate Newegg
MOBO: MSI Z68A-G43 $70**
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130621&Tpk=z68
HDD: Already have one (Seagate 2TB 5900RPM)
RAM: Already have (Patriot Mem. 2x 2GB 1333)
PSU: Corsair CX430 $40 ($20 w/ Rebate) Newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
HSF: $20 Xixgmatek
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082
That brings me to $400 and w/ shipping & tax (URGH, I didn't realize that Newegg has tax for CA), at $425-ish, my almost absolute budget.
* oes this MOBO allow for easy OCing of the i5 2500K? I read that it should, but I'm not sure. Also, if I decide to get an HD7770 instead, would it be compatible? What about a GTX 660***?
***Say someone gives me a GTX 660 for free and thus I have an extra $100-$125, should I spend it on a better MOBO? CPU? Peripherals? Games? Bank?
I'm sorry if it feels like I'm very indecisive about my build, as it's my first true build and I don't want to be disappointed. I just want to say thank you to those who have been helping me, directly, and indirectly, including those who will help me in the future. I mean it, thank you.
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I'm thinking about getting some Noctua fans (NF-F12 PWM) for my case and heatsink myself, but boy why do they keep insisting on using those colors :r
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P67 does not natively support Ivybridge. If you are not overclocking than you want a B75 or H77 board.
K suffix processors are for overclocking. If not overclocking, get the regular 3570.
Memory is too expensive, 2x4gb 1600MHz cas9 should only be about $30-$40.
HAF 912 is overpriced at $70. A Fractal Design Define R4 which is significantly better is like $10 more. A Corsair 200R which is similar to the HAF 912 is like $50 or $60.
Earthwatts is OOS right now, get the Antec Neo Eco for $30 (promo ends today): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371029 or a CX430 for $40 ($20 after mail in rebate).
And why get a drive and not a burner?
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Wes2000, you don't live near a microcenter by chance, do you?
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You know you could get a way better quality z68 motherboard and just replace the bios chip. You basically get higher quality at half the price of a z77. I'm planning on buying a 3570k, but I dont want to pay $120 for a shitty z77 motherboard with bad VRM and lack of features, I'd rather pay $60 for a high quality z68, with lots of features and SLI and crossfire, and then $10 for a bios chip to install or maybe it already has IB supported bios because it was used.
Which brings me to what I'm doing:
I plan on buying a used ASUS Maximus IV GENE-Z/GEN3 for $60.
I literally checked out every used lower end Z68 chipset motherboard on ebay and searched on their features and how they overclock. Spoilered because it's fucking huge:
+ Show Spoiler +ASUS P8Z68-V LX No SLI 4+2 No Heatsink VRM Offset voltage only asus "L" is budget weak version Gigabyte GA-Z68MX-UD2H-B3 http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2218705Micro ATX heatsinked VRM, SLI support but need to put on bottom slot (which is fine on mid tower case, only issue on micro atx case) Requires bios F13 cant overclock well ib on gigabyte older chipset? not a great board? MSI Z68A-G43 4+1 heatsinked phase, wow, avoid unless super cheap no core voltage adjustment no sli, no crossfire (second gpu slot is only x4) Whereas for G45/G43, there are no voltage adjustments for the vcore. avoid this pos MSI Z68MA-G45 4+1 nonheatsinked phase no vcore adjustment? $48 ASUS Maximus IV GENE-Z/GEN3 bios is 0302, it will work out of box? 12 phase VRM heatsinked single at x16, dual at x8/x8 SLI/crossfire $55 ASRock Z68 Pro3-M micro atx Single GPu 6 heatsinked vrm compatability issue with corsair cs430? ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 huge heatsinked phase 2 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slots, Supports AMD Quad CrossFireX™ and NVIDIA® Quad SLI™ http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/11/09/asrock_z68_extreme4_gen3_motherboard_review/6hardocp says it sucks. i'll avoid it. BIOSTAR TZ68A+ http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=18833355.8ghz@1.596vcore so obviously can allow oc/volt. crossfire, no SLI, crossfire is x16/x4 2x pci 2.0 x16 $64 MSI Z68MA-ED55 10 phases (2x4+1, 8+2?)heatsinked. Micro ATX No SLI 16/x4 in crossfire $65 Evga z68 SLI 8 heatsinked phase SLI + crossfire bios r16 for ib? cannot overclock on r16 bios for ivy bridge? Unstable bios? this is going on right now... http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1820030&mpage=1$68 ASUS P8Z68-V Pro high count heatsinked vrm 2 x pci e 3.0 slots (dual at x8/x8) SLI and Crossfire support 5ghz, 1.4v, overclock well apparently Hardocp recommends! $70 GA-Z68A-D3-B3 4+1 partially heatsinked no sli, only crossfire $78 Msi g43no voltage control, bad vrm G45 can adjust up to 1.5v with new bios! MSi GD55/65/80, these boards have a bigger range of voltages and bios OC adjustments gigabyte MA will not go above 1.5v?
My question to you guys, was basically sort of confirming my findings here, and that the Asus Maximus iv gene 3 is a good overclocking board. I'm just looking for a motherboard that overclocks well, plays well with IB as long as it has the right bios, and doesnt have any limits on the voltages or frequencies.
I'm also interested in SLI support and both CPU VID and Offset voltage options but it isn't necessary. A higher quality VRM is more important, but most of these boards have larger phases.
I know the asus maximums iv gene 3 has a removable bios chip.
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It says 3 SATA stock, so 3 total drives without adapters or splitters.
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