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zzaaxxsscd
United States626 Posts
you have a very high-end graphics card, so I'd go for the Intel combo so you'll have less chance of a CPU bottleneck and your system will be competitive for a longer while also, you might want to get a HSF just for kicks (you can get a solid one for $30-40, like the hyper 212), so if you're ever feeling adventurous, you can try overclocking the i5-760, which a lot of people have done quite successfully | ||
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KeiQQ
United States113 Posts
On December 13 2010 05:05 Guts wrote: ok i got the final build i THINK dvd drive/burner Samsung F3 1TB MSI 870A-G54 RAM Athlon II X3 450 CASE Asus GTX 460 768GB + PSU total: 578$ does this look good? is it all compatibile/going to fit? the pricing is perfect, the psu and case are much improved... i wont be overclocking.. so yeah good?  EDIT: should i swap out that motherboard? the reviews are kinda iffy looking? any suggestions? halp additional edit: the ram/dvd drive were changed... still confused on which mobo i should get :\ edit: yeh this mobo is legit... so everything will be in working order/case is right dimensions? lookin for a green light here Looks good. I'd recommend checking out the HAF 912 for a really nice, cheap case. Do you have an OS? Because thats a good $100-130 more. | ||
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Guts
United States17 Posts
On December 13 2010 13:13 KeiQQ wrote: Yeah got windows 7 from a certain place+ Show Spoiler + On December 13 2010 05:05 Guts wrote: ok i got the final build i THINK dvd drive/burner Samsung F3 1TB MSI 870A-G54 RAM Athlon II X3 450 CASE Asus GTX 460 768GB + PSU total: 578$ does this look good? is it all compatibile/going to fit? the pricing is perfect, the psu and case are much improved... i wont be overclocking.. so yeah good? EDIT: should i swap out that motherboard? the reviews are kinda iffy looking? any suggestions? halp additional edit: the ram/dvd drive were changed... still confused on which mobo i should get :\ edit: yeh this mobo is legit... so everything will be in working order/case is right dimensions? lookin for a green light here Looks good. I'd recommend checking out the HAF 912 for a really nice, cheap case. Do you have an OS? Because thats a good $100-130 more. anyways ordered what i posted, hope everything goes well. I thought id ask now does anyone have any links to youtube videos they think are the best at showing how to build a computer? I've taken components out of a computer and replaced them before but never really built one from the ground up. oh also what about grounding yourself? is that shit really needed? i definitely dont wanna zap a new piece of hardware but i also dont wanna buy any special equipment for that.. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On December 13 2010 08:48 [Silverflame] wrote: Hey Guys, i am planning on upgrading my system, but i think to rly get something going i need a new board. Currently my motherboard has an AM2 socket [MSI K9N] and i think there is not much room for upgrading my system to run smoothly, but i can be totally wrong here^^ My system apart from the board is: Athlon X2 4200+ 2GB DDR2 RAM Windows XP GeForce 8600GTS bequiet! 430W Pure Power 500 GB HDD SATA Samsung 7200rpm It would be nice to get a statement of somebody who knows something about Hardware ( i am noob^^ ) and i think i am right in here  My budget is rly low (as usual xD) so which system would be cheap but running SC2 smoothly at 1920x1080? I guess I have to get a new board though  Yes, for a substantial upgrade, you need a new board, CPU, generally new RAM (DDR3 as opposed to DDR2), and a new GPU. In other words, you would need a completely new computer. Possibly you would also a new PSU to run new components if you get mid-high end stuff; maybe not, as I don't know anything about bequiet! or that model in question. You could upgrade the GPU only and get better graphical detail and on higher resolutions, but you'd still be limited by the CPU. The CPU is more limiting with more units in the game and a little less so with less units. If you're only looking to play 1v1 smoothly at 1920x1080 on higher than low settings, just a GPU upgrade may be okay maybe. In this case, it's not worth spending on anything more powerful than a HD 5670 unless you are planning on upgrading the CPU, board, and RAM soon after too. | ||
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Ryan307 :)
United States1289 Posts
So here's the build I'm thinking of, but I'm really new to this so I'm not sure if some of the parts are overkill or arn't up to par. I'm especially concerned about the GPU because I know literally nothing about them. Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043 Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211 Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006 Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224 GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127510 Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128412 Harddrive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284 All things said and done, with an operating system this is going to be ~$1250. Let me know what you think teamliquid, all help is greatly appreciated! | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
As it stands, the case is good but dated and overkill. The CPU is not compatible with the mobo, and the CPU would be overkill anyway for most users (and actually less powerful than cheaper processors coming out next month) but not overkill in a way that makes sense. The memory is a bit overpriced, and the power supply is overkill for those components. The GPU is enough to run SC2 on ultra at 1920x1080, but it's actually under what I'd recommend for a high-end gaming computer costing that much--if that's what you're using it for. For that price, I'd stick an SSD in there as an OS/application drive too. | ||
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Ryan307 :)
United States1289 Posts
On December 13 2010 14:42 Myrmidon wrote: Answer the questions in the first spoiler in the first post, so we know what you're looking for. The best parts for one person will likely not be the best parts for somebody else, depending on what you're using the computer for and other factors. Once we get that info, we can give more specific suggestions. As it stands, the case is good but dated and overkill. The CPU is not compatible with the mobo, and the CPU would be overkill anyway for most users (and actually less powerful than cheaper processors coming out next month) but not overkill in a way that makes sense. The memory is a bit overpriced, and the power supply is overkill for those components. The GPU is enough to run SC2 on ultra at 1920x1080, but it's actually under what I'd recommend for a high-end gaming computer costing that much--if that's what you're using it for. For that price, I'd stick an SSD in there as an OS/application drive too. Thank you so much for your input! This is exactly what I was looking for, so I'll do my best to answer those questions: What is your budget? ~$1,600 (including monitor/keyboard/mouse/etc...) What is your resolution? That's a very good question, and I'm not sure to be honest. I think I could adjust to any kind of resolution to be honest, I've been plaing broodwar on my 5 year old toshiba laptop so anything is better than this! What are you using it for? Mostly gaming (this is the most important part), maybe some streaming in the future. What is your upgrade cycle? I would like buy a computer that I wont have to upgrade for a long, long time. That being said I don't mind spending a little bit more money on some parts, as long as they'll last for a good amount of time !When do you plan on building it? I'm hoping to build this within the next two weeks or so Do you plan on overclocking? Nope! Do you need an Operating System? I do, I'm planning on buying windows 7 64 bit, and I've set aside ~$120 for this. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Nope! Where are you buying your parts from? Hopefully from Newegg, but really anywhere is fine =]! Thank you again for your response, hopefully I can figure out what parts I'm going to use. Do you have any suggestions for a Case/GPU/Motherboard/Power Supply? And what CPU do you think would better suit my needs? Thanks so much!! | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Intel Core i5-760 + Gigabyte P55 mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.570310 EVGA GTX 570 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130593 A-Data 2x2GB DDR3 RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211409 Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185 Asus CD/DVD drive/burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 Seasonic S12II Bronze 520W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094 Cooler Master 690ii Advanced case + Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.546483.11-119-216 That's about $1050 including OS. If you're interested in faster boot times, quick loading of applications, and high-performance storage, you might want to get an SSD as mentioned before. A lot of computer usage is I/O bottlenecked because of slow mechanical drives, but it won't effect in-game performance. This is a decent option. Smaller capacities will cost less, of course. OCZ Vertex 2 or Agility 2, Corsair Force, G.Skill Phoenix Pro, and a few others are practically identical--get the cheapest one of those at the capacity you need. edit: you may want to wait a couple days on the above suggestions, as AMD (ATI) has new GPUs coming out that are maybe worth looking at: Radeon HD 5950 and HD 5970. In any case, it's possible that GTX 570 prices will drop slightly. It's also very possible for prices to change between now and a couple weeks, so the above may no longer be particularly good values. | ||
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Ryan307 :)
United States1289 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Mind you if you want to "future proof" your new computer, you should just wait like a few weeks for Sandy Bridge (9th January). You've got a pretty massive budget so you can easily buy the stuff at launch. | ||
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Ryan307 :)
United States1289 Posts
Okay, so here's what I'm thinking as of right now: Pretty much the exact same build that Myrmidon posted, except I really like the look of this case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021 and I'm not sure about the GPU, if I only ever plan on playing SC2, WoW, and Diablo 3 (for a long while, at least) will I need anything more than this gpu? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127510 Man I just love teamliquid, thank you both so much for your help! Edit: I'm also kind of lost on this SSD thing, when I google or wikipedia it I get a bunch of language that I don't really understand. Do you reccomend getting a SSD? It's essentially just to speed up boot time, right? If so is it worth the money? Thank you all again! | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112239&cm_re=Lancool-_-11-112-239-_-Product http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112268&cm_re=Lancool-_-11-112-268-_-Product GTX460 should be a beefy enough card for all of those games. Can't be certain about Diablo 3 since it isn't out yet, but I can't imagine Diablo 3 being too system intensive if we go by Blizzard's history of being fairly gentle on hardware requirements. | ||
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KeiQQ
United States113 Posts
On December 13 2010 13:44 Guts wrote: Yeah got windows 7 from a certain place anyways ordered what i posted, hope everything goes well. I thought id ask now does anyone have any links to youtube videos they think are the best at showing how to build a computer? I've taken components out of a computer and replaced them before but never really built one from the ground up. oh also what about grounding yourself? is that shit really needed? i definitely dont wanna zap a new piece of hardware but i also dont wanna buy any special equipment for that.. http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/274745-13-step-step-guide-building | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
According to a friend, I shouldn't have any issues with choking and whatnot playing something like 4v4 on SC2. I would really like to stream on livestream lag free so what do you guys think? | ||
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zzaaxxsscd
United States626 Posts
On December 14 2010 00:45 Snuggles wrote: So while I'm impatiently waiting for my antique Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 to come in the mail, I was wondering if you guys have any clue how it matches up to an i3 or an i5. According to a friend, I shouldn't have any issues with choking and whatnot playing something like 4v4 on SC2. I would really like to stream on livestream lag free so what do you guys think? well, c2d e6850 was introduced in 2007, so I hope you're not expecting too much. it's not horrible, and probably a decent upgrade for what you had before i expect you will still lag in big 4v4 battles (everyone does) and streaming will be tough...maybe possible on lower settings benchmarks vs i3-540 http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/59?vs=143 | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
On December 14 2010 02:23 zzaaxxsscd wrote: well, c2d e6850 was introduced in 2007, so I hope you're not expecting too much. it's not horrible, and probably a decent upgrade for what you had before i expect you will still lag in big 4v4 battles (everyone does) and streaming will be tough...maybe possible on lower settings benchmarks vs i3-540 http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/59?vs=143 Dude thank you so much, I probably missed that benchmark site if it was in the OP. I was totally not expecting it to be anywhere near as good as an i3. I bought it knowing that it definitely was not the best choice to make, and how I'd be better off buying a new mobo that can support an i5 and whatnot, but being on a tight budget really sucks =_=. My old CPU was a Intel duo core E2180, I couldn't help but lawl when I compared the two http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/59?vs=68 /Flex for playing SC2 with that junk this entire time xD | ||
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holynorth
United States590 Posts
I guess my question is, is the cheaper hardware just older hardware? Or do they release cheaper, budget hardware as well? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On December 14 2010 07:31 holynorth wrote: Just curious about the stuff coming out next month. I am looking for a mid-grade computer and I will more than likely not be able to afford the newer stuff. Is it all top of the line stuff or do they release budget hardware? I guess my question is, is the cheaper hardware just older hardware? Or do they release cheaper, budget hardware as well? The stuff coming next month is called Sandybridge. Announcement is on January 5th and retail availability are expected on the same day or by January 9th. This is the mid-range release which means it will replace the current 1156 processors in the sub $300 market (core i5 750, 760, core i7 860, 870 ...) The P67 motherboards will go for prices similar to the P55 boards, somewhere between $100 to $300 (depending on features, etc). Just because new stuff is coming out does not mean old stuff will drop in price. Look at the past processors that are no longer produced, they're still being sold at the same price that they were two-three years ago. Keep that in mind when deciding. | ||
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Mascherano
Argentina1726 Posts
 I've used Newegg before but I only bought some ram and a video card like 4 years ago. Right now I'm building my 1st PC ever, so If I order all computer parts off newegg, which are 9 items, will they all ship together or is it individually? tyty | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On December 14 2010 07:47 Mascherano wrote: Hey, a newbie question again I've used Newegg before but I only bought some ram and a video card like 4 years ago. Right now I'm building my 1st PC ever, so If I order all computer parts off newegg, which are 9 items, will they all ship together or is it individually? tyty Case ships in its own retail box. Everything else goes into a box or two. But they do all come in one shipment unless the shipping courier messes something up. | ||
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