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ObliviousNA

United States535 Posts

May 07 2012 08:15 GMT

#21561

I've got a RAM question for my roomate. He has

http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-8gb-dual-channel-ddr3-memory-kit-cmz8gx3m2a1600c9.html

2x4gb 1600mHz of RAM atm and he needs to upgrade. (He's a really heavy photoshop user and just got the new D800).

My question: is it better to get that same package for slots 3 and 4 on his mobo, or upgrade to some 2x8 setup? Money isn't a big deal, but obviously cheaper is better. Historically it was somewhat taboo to mix RAM types/sizes, is that still the case?

thanks-

Womwomwom

5930 Posts

May 07 2012 10:10 GMT

#21562

You want 2 or 4 sticks to take advantage of dual channel memory. The sticks will run at whatever speeds are stable. So if you mixed 2x4GB 1600mhz memory and 2x4GB 1333mhz memory, the system will probably run all four sticks at 1333mhz. If you overclocked the 1333mhz memory to accept 1600mhz, then the system may be able to run all four sticks at 1600mhz. Does this make sense?

So mixing different brands of DDR3 memory shouldn't be a problem. These days its pretty rare to get incompatible memory (i.e. OCZ's DDR3 memory) and most decent motherboards can do the heavy lifting if anything goes wrong.

taldarimAltar

973 Posts

May 07 2012 10:55 GMT

#21563

Hi, I've got a tentative build, need some input. I initially wanted to OC but decided it's not really worth the money. Gna get a good GPU instead. Here's the build: (it's in Singapore $)

It's for gaming, sC2 d3 dota2 mw3 bf3 skyrim the works etc

CPU+MB: Intel Core i5-2320 + ASRock H61M/U3S3 @ $339
RAM: G.Skill NT DDR3-1333 CL9 4GB [Black PCB] @ $28 (probably getting 8GB)
GPU: Palit GTX 560 1GB OC @ $222
HDD: Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C 500GB [SATA III] @ $102
CASE: Xigmatek Asgard XP + Seasonic S12II 520W [80 Plus Bronze] @ $129 (promo)
DSP: LG E2241T 21.5" LED [TN] @ $168

Total $988

Is the CPU good enough, is there any diff in getting maybe i5 2400 or the i5 3750? I dont wna be bottlenecked (I don't know if it's possible but I don't wanna make a mistake)

How is the GPU? Should I spend maybe $SGD 100 extra for a Sapphire 7850 @ $325 or the MSI GTX 560 Ti 1GB Twin Frozr II OC @ $324? Case is ugly but most cheap cases are, pretty good promo deal for the PSU+case imo.

iTzSnypah

United States1738 Posts

May 07 2012 11:16 GMT

#21564

On May 07 2012 19:55 taldarimAltar wrote:
Hi, I've got a tentative build, need some input. I initially wanted to OC but decided it's not really worth the money. Gna get a good GPU instead. Here's the build: (it's in Singapore $)

It's for gaming, sC2 d3 dota2 mw3 bf3 skyrim the works etc

CPU+MB: Intel Core i5-2320 + ASRock H61M/U3S3 @ $339
RAM: G.Skill NT DDR3-1333 CL9 4GB [Black PCB] @ $28 (probably getting 8GB)
GPU: Palit GTX 560 1GB OC @ $222
HDD: Hitachi Deskstar 7K1000.C 500GB [SATA III] @ $102
CASE: Xigmatek Asgard XP + Seasonic S12II 520W [80 Plus Bronze] @ $129 (promo)
DSP: LG E2241T 21.5" LED [TN] @ $168

Total $988

Is the CPU good enough, is there any diff in getting maybe i5 2400 or the i5 3750? I dont wna be bottlenecked (I don't know if it's possible but I don't wanna make a mistake)

How is the GPU? Should I spend maybe $SGD 100 extra for a Sapphire 7850 @ $325 or the MSI GTX 560 Ti 1GB Twin Frozr II OC @ $324? Case is ugly but most cheap cases are, pretty good promo deal for the PSU+case imo.

Where are you buying from? all your items look very overpriced. NVM im blind.

However Where are you buying from, Site wise...

EDIT 2: your build is also missing an Optical drive.

taldarimAltar

973 Posts

May 07 2012 11:44 GMT

#21565

On May 07 2012 20:16 iTzSnypah wrote:

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Where are you buying from? all your items look very overpriced. NVM im blind.

However Where are you buying from, Site wise...

EDIT 2: your build is also missing an Optical drive.

Yea singapore sucks, pretty small market, gtx460 and hd 7850 are constatnly out of stock, online retailers are overpriced too. SSD's are particularly exhorbitant, ram, psu and coolers too. Popular parts in the US like the cm 212 and haf 912 are inflated, You think I'm fine processor wise?

Rachnar

France1526 Posts

May 07 2012 11:48 GMT

#21566

it depends, what do you want to do with your computer?

iTzSnypah

United States1738 Posts

May 07 2012 11:55 GMT

#21567

On May 07 2012 20:44 taldarimAltar wrote:

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an i5-2400 would be better but the 2320 will work fine.

Um its nothign compared to Norway...A dude is gonna pay 430USD(2499KR) for an i7-2600k. where I can buy one for 100USD cheaper..

taldarimAltar

973 Posts

May 07 2012 12:07 GMT

#21568

On May 07 2012 20:48 Rachnar wrote:
it depends, what do you want to do with your computer?

Gaming mainly, dota 2 sc2 d3, bf3 skyrim

Rachnar

France1526 Posts

May 07 2012 12:15 GMT

#21569

Then yes that build should be good enough, 2400 is only .1 ghz highre then 2320 i think so unless they're the same price, not worth it

for the psu and case, if it's cheaper you could get

antec earthwatts, antec HCG, corsair cx (only if it's really cheaper, it's not as good as the other units), OCZ ZS/ZT, etc...
lower end seasonic S series should be fine too, your build won't consume a lot

bitfenix for case is good if cheaper too

d o you have a website where we could see the prices and compare?

Trevo

41 Posts

May 07 2012 12:19 GMT

#21570

guys if i get a 3570k with this tecnology called Virtu MvP from motherboards my Radeon 6770 will improve more than with a i5 2500k?

Thanks

another video

iTzSnypah

United States1738 Posts

May 07 2012 12:34 GMT

#21571

On May 07 2012 21:19 Trevo wrote:
guys if i get a 3570k with this tecnology called Virtu MvP from motherboards my Radeon 6770 will improve more than with a i5 2500k?

Thanks

eh I don't know. Sounds like a gimick though.

kvn_

Germany22 Posts

May 07 2012 14:06 GMT

#21572

Hello guys, i want to build a new computer as my old one is about 5 years old, and im in need for your help.

What is your budget?
My budget is at around 600€ (800$)

What is your resoloution?
My resolution is 1920x1080

What are you using it for?
I'll be using it mostly for games, like starcraft 2 or guildwars 2

What is your upgrade cycle?
Every 4-5 years

When do you plan on building it?
Within the next 1 or 2 weeks.

Do you plan on overclocking?
I'd like to if possible

Do you need an Operating System?
No i don't

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No i don't

Where are you buying your parts from?
I'll be buying my parts from hardwareversand.de

This will be the first time ill be building a computer myself, but i'm not to sure which parts to get as i dont know which are compatible with each other.

Thank you for your help.

myfriendspro

United Kingdom51 Posts

May 07 2012 14:25 GMT

#21573

On May 02 2012 07:19 skyR wrote:

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On May 02 2012 06:56 myfriendspro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Origional post

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On May 02 2012 02:08 myfriendspro wrote:
I posted in here a while ago but as the suggestion and my research I waited till the new chips were out to make my decision as I wasnt desperate.

What is your budget?

No budget to speak of, i'm looking for reasonably high end but also value for money.

What is your resolution?

1680x1050 and 1280x1024 for second monitor

What are you using it for?

Gaming, Photoshop/Illustrator, video recording/editing, streaming

What is your upgrade cycle?

Normally about 3 years

When do you plan on building it?

ASAP - i waited till the ivy release to make the decisions so now i want to build it.

Do you plan on overclocking?

I have never overclocked before but I want to this time.

Do you need an Operating System?

Nope i have win 7 x64

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

I dont really know the benefits of this rather than going single new cards.

Where are you buying your parts from?

Im in the UK i've only really used novatech before but i dont mind using any reputable site.

Right now I plan to carry over my 2x dvd/rw drives & bluetooth card reader. Also if possible re use my reasonably new PSU which is a Corsair CX600 bought about this time last year. Also i'd like to carry on using my EVGA Superclocked GTX460 if possible as I'd rather not shell out for a new card as its only a year old but if its necessary I can do, otherwise i'd be looking at doing that aprox this time next year if it is necessary then. I really want to be able to play most games ie GW2 on max or near max settings and record or stream.

I was thinking i'll probably carry over my HDD but buy an SSD for OS current game/s im playing and Ps/Ai.

In terms of processor i have been looking at the i7 - 2700k, 3770k or the 3820. The graphics upgrade to ivy is no benefit to me and as a new overclocker i'm not sure which will be best. I've read that the new ivy chips dont really OC past 4.5ghz without serious cooling but since I wouldnt be pushing the OC that much as a first timer that doesnt seem too much of a problem for me. All the different chipset stuff doesnt really mean anything to me, leaving me in a bit over my head.

Advice would be much appreciated especially on CPU, RAM, MOBO, the suitability of my existing GFX card and PSU. Then a case and cooling that would be appropriate to such a build.

Thanks

On May 02 2012 02:56 skyR wrote:
For memory, you're looking at the least expensive 2x4gb 1333MHz / 1600MHz kit that's 1.5v or lower.

2700k is just a 2600k that's 100MHz faster so it's pointless to consider it if it costs more than a 2600k. The 3820 is also pointless since the only value in LGA2011 is really the memory bandwidth (quad-channel) / support (64gb), PCI-E bandwidth (tri / quad SLI / CrossfireX), and hex / octo cores. So basically it comes down to whether you think the 3770k is worth the premium over the 2600k.

For motherboard, you're basically looking at Z77. Z68 and P67 might be a good option for 2nd Generation Core processors depending on the pricing of Z77 boards over there , these two won't work with 3rd Generation Core processors without a BIOS update.

The CX600 can be carried over.

GTX 460 can be carried over and replaced at a later time if you feel that it is inadequate for newer games.

Case can be whatever you want, a case will last for a very long time so you'll want something that's to your liking. Bitfenix Shinobi, Fractal Design Define R3, and Corsair 550D are a few good options.

Heatsink is the same, you can buy an inexpensive one such as a Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO or you can invest in a Noctua NH-D14.

In the end, value is determined by the individual.

Looking at prices it's going to cost about another £50 to go from i7 2600k to i7 3770k which doesnt seem worth it from what i've read.

As far as mobos go i looked at a few and am thinking of going for the Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H. I looked at the MSI Z77A-GD65 & the ASRock Z77 Extreme6 but i couldnt really see what i was getting from them that i would need for another £20.

I'd appreciate any thoughts on this.

Also where is the best place to look for a first time overclocker when I get it all set up?

Thanks for any help.

Is the GD55 not available to you? Because that should be similar to the pricing of the UD3H and overall a better board than the UD3H.

The GD55 uses an Intel NIC which is superior to that of the Atheros NIC used by Gigabyte, uses Realtek audio which is superior to that of the VIA used by Gigabyte, and all the USB is provided natively by Intel while the UD3H has all USB3 ports - two of which is provided by Intel / the rest by VIA - all of which requires drivers installed to be usable and VIA sucks (so good luck if you don't have a ps/2 mouse).

Basically, I think all the high-end 7 series boards from Gigabyte sucks. The only advantage to them is the dual BIOS.

hardforum and overclock.net

Ok so this is the build i decided on. I'd appreciate any thoughts before i order it.

i7 2600k (£216.94) - http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004FA8NOQ/ref=asc_df_B004FA8NOQ7677379?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B004FA8NOQ

Corsair 550D Obsidian Case (£109.96) - http://www.ebuyer.com/352644-corsair-550d-obsidian-case-cc-9011015-ww?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products

SanDisk 120GB Extreme Solid State Drive (2.5' SATA III 6Gb/s) (£87.19) -http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B006EKJCWM/ref=asc_df_B006EKJCWM7677379?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B006EKJCWM

Kingston 1600MHz DDR3 Non ECC CL9 8GB Kit (2x 4GB) HyperX BLU XMP DIMM Memory Module (£39.90) - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingston-1600MHz-HyperX-Memory-Module/dp/B0057Q4ADU/ref=sr_1_9?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1335980975&sr=1-9

MSI Z77A-GD55 S1155 Intel Z77 DDR3 ATX (£119.98) - http://www.dabs.com/products/msi-z77a-gd55-s1155-intel-z77-ddr3-atx-80KP.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=product search&utm_content=Q200

Noctua NH-D14 Dual Radiator and Fan CPU Cooler (£67.99) - http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/cooling/cpucoolers/Noctua/NH-D14.html#utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=products

Total - £641.96

I already have a 600W corsair PSU and a EVGA superclocked gtx460 for those who didnt read the above.

taldarimAltar

973 Posts

May 07 2012 14:58 GMT

#21574

On May 07 2012 21:15 Rachnar wrote:
Then yes that build should be good enough, 2400 is only .1 ghz highre then 2320 i think so unless they're the same price, not worth it

for the psu and case, if it's cheaper you could get

antec earthwatts, antec HCG, corsair cx (only if it's really cheaper, it's not as good as the other units), OCZ ZS/ZT, etc...
lower end seasonic S series should be fine too, your build won't consume a lot

bitfenix for case is good if cheaper too

d o you have a website where we could see the prices and compare?

Ok I'll look out for those. Thanks for all your help Rachnar, here are some lists

http://assets.hardwarezone.com/retailer_pricelist/PC Themes_111.pdf
You might need to be a member
Or
http://bizgram.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=58&view=finish&cid=495&catid=5
It's kinda hard to read and if I understand correctly some brands have NDA and the products aren't on the lists

ObliviousNA

United States535 Posts

May 07 2012 15:34 GMT

#21575

On May 07 2012 19:10 Womwomwom wrote:
You want 2 or 4 sticks to take advantage of dual channel memory. The sticks will run at whatever speeds are stable. So if you mixed 2x4GB 1600mhz memory and 2x4GB 1333mhz memory, the system will probably run all four sticks at 1333mhz. If you overclocked the 1333mhz memory to accept 1600mhz, then the system may be able to run all four sticks at 1600mhz. Does this make sense?

So mixing different brands of DDR3 memory shouldn't be a problem. These days its pretty rare to get incompatible memory (i.e. OCZ's DDR3 memory) and most decent motherboards can do the heavy lifting if anything goes wrong.

Much appreciated-

Medrea

10003 Posts

May 07 2012 15:54 GMT

#21576

On May 07 2012 21:19 Trevo wrote:
guys if i get a 3570k with this tecnology called Virtu MvP from motherboards my Radeon 6770 will improve more than with a i5 2500k?
+ Show Spoiler +

Thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvoMWXPzTlg

another video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7FB1wfM53E

Not really. IIRC that technology only benefits systems that are capable of running games well in excess of 60 FPS which is a tall order for a 6770.

Rachnar

France1526 Posts

May 07 2012 16:57 GMT

#21577

Tried using those links, couldn't see anything

nosliw

United States2716 Posts

May 07 2012 22:03 GMT

#21578

hi guys, trying to build my first desktop. I have always just bought premade desktops and laptops before. Can anyone show me some noob guides for building desktops? Thanks,

skyR

Canada13817 Posts

May 07 2012 23:01 GMT

#21579

On May 08 2012 07:03 nosliw wrote:
hi guys, trying to build my first desktop. I have always just bought premade desktops and laptops before. Can anyone show me some noob guides for building desktops? Thanks,