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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 20 2012 01:11 GMT
#20801
Would appreciate any input on the below build which is primarily for Diablo 3. Max budget is around $600 including Windows 7. Is my PSU wattage sufficient? Thanks!


Rosewill RNX-N150PCe (RNWD-11011) IEEE 802.11b/g/n PCIe 2.0 Wireless Adapter

$11.99

CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model CMV4GX3M2A1333C9

$24.99

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

$69.99

GIGABYTE GA-Z68AP-D3(R2.0) LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

$109.99

MSI R6450-MD1GD3/LP Radeon HD 6450 1GB 64-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card

$44.99

Antec Basiq BP350 350W ATX12V v2.01 Power Supply

$39.99

Intel Core i3-540 Clarkdale 3.06GHz LGA 1156 73W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80616I3540

$119.99

Western Digital AV-GP WD5000AUDX 500GB IntelliPower SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

$99.99

LITE-ON Black Internal 12X Blu-ray Combo SATA Model ihes112-04

$59.99

Subtotal: $546.90
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 01:18:19
April 20 2012 01:16 GMT
#20802
@Doodsmack. Your CPU doesn't fit the mobo, you want an 1155 socket CPU, probably an i3 2100. You want an H61 motherboard, not Z68. Ditch the blu-ray for DVD unless you really need blu-ray, that'll save you a pile. The PSU is enough. Upgrade to a real GPU, though, like a GTS 450 or HD 6770. The cash saved off the motherboard should cover that.

Oh, but you can probably get a decent 430-450w PSU for similar cost, so why not? 350 might not be enough if you upgrade to a higher end GPU down the line.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 20 2012 01:48 GMT
#20803
What's the difference between H61 and Z68 motherboards? There are only 3 H61s on Newegg that are ATX...

Thanks for the tips.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 01:51:06
April 20 2012 01:49 GMT
#20804
On April 20 2012 10:48 Doodsmack wrote:
What's the difference between H61 and Z68 motherboards? There are only 3 H61s on Newegg that are ATX...

Thanks for the tips.


Z68 has a metric fuckton of features you're not using, like the ability to OC (not really in your budget with needing OS), SSD caching, which requires an SSD and is kind of a silly gimmick for most people, integrated graphics, which you're not using...

See a trend here? You'd be dumping a ton of money on features you literally aren't buying components to use.

Also, an ATX mid or full tower can generally take an mATX mobo if it's cheaper.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
April 20 2012 01:57 GMT
#20805
Change the case to something like a HAF912 as well. It's more up to date than the Antec 300.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 20 2012 02:00 GMT
#20806
On April 20 2012 10:11 Doodsmack wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Would appreciate any input on the below build which is primarily for Diablo 3. Max budget is around $600 including Windows 7. Is my PSU wattage sufficient? Thanks!


Rosewill RNX-N150PCe (RNWD-11011) IEEE 802.11b/g/n PCIe 2.0 Wireless Adapter

$11.99

CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model CMV4GX3M2A1333C9

$24.99

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

$69.99

GIGABYTE GA-Z68AP-D3(R2.0) LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

$109.99

MSI R6450-MD1GD3/LP Radeon HD 6450 1GB 64-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card

$44.99

Antec Basiq BP350 350W ATX12V v2.01 Power Supply

$39.99

Intel Core i3-540 Clarkdale 3.06GHz LGA 1156 73W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80616I3540

$119.99

Western Digital AV-GP WD5000AUDX 500GB IntelliPower SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

$99.99

LITE-ON Black Internal 12X Blu-ray Combo SATA Model ihes112-04

$59.99

Subtotal: $546.90


Ignoring the compatibility issue and the miscalculation of the total (unless there are coupons / promos which you didn't mention), your build basically sucks.

BP350 isn't an attractive option at $40 given what is available at this price point currently.

Caviar Green should not be used as a primary drive.

Antec Three Hundred is overpriced at $70 and you should not be severely sacrificing performance for the case.

Memory is overpriced.

6450 sucks.

Not sure why you need a blu-ray player for Diablo III.

For $490, this is miles better (not including wireless or optical drive). Basically the same price as your configuration when you add the wireless and blu-ray:

Sapphire Radeon HD6850 @ $135 (w/ promo code HARDOCPX418G, ends 4/24)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908

GSkill 4GB 1333MHz @ $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231421

Antec Earthwatts 430D @ $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371034

Intel Core i3 2100 & Asrock H61M-VS @ $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.882767

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $75
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00461G3MS

Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $50
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003ZM7YTA/
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
April 20 2012 02:02 GMT
#20807
Oooh, nice promo code on the 6850.
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
April 20 2012 10:47 GMT
#20808
I've been thinking a while about getting a low-power home server. I'll use it as a NAS and for personal coding (mostly web site) projects, so I figure it doesn't have to be very powerful, and I'd like it to use least power idle, which it will be most of the time.

I have a 200W brick power supply and a mini-ITX case (single 40mm fan) with really shitty ventilation to start with, as well as an extra stick of ram lying around.

I'll probably stick an SSD in it. The real question is what mobo/cpu to get for it. I've seen reports of people getting 12W idle with an i3 2100t and some mobo I don't remember, but the 2100t isn't available in Korea. Similar numbers can be seen for atom and zacate systems, and they can probably handle all-passive cooling, even with shit ventilation.

Will I see a difference at all between Atom and Zacate? Would an i3 under load overheat? Any existing resources I can consult?
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
April 20 2012 11:26 GMT
#20809
I'm using Windows Home Server with a dual core Athlon II and its by far good enough for all of my media needs. This is what you want to use it for right? Most NAS will be using a weaker processor than a modern day Atom or Zacate so they would definitely work. The largest small businesses NAS systems typically use Atoms and I really doubt you'll be serving 20+ people in a home sever.

A good resource is Small Net Builder. A lot of the time, depending on the scale of your home sever, a prebuilt Synology, QNAP, or Dlink system will be cheaper, less obtrusive, and easier to use.
Murlos
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States27 Posts
April 20 2012 12:43 GMT
#20810
What is your budget?
$800

What is your resolution?
1280x1024

What are you using it for?
I am using it for gaming. I will be playing SC2, DotA 2, and LoL. Possibly Guild Wars 2 once it comes out

What is your upgrade cycle?
3-4 years. Intending to use it for my four years of college

When do you plan on building it?
This June

Do you plan on overclocking?
No

Do you need an Operating System?
No

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No

Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg or Microcenter. I'm based in the US
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
April 20 2012 15:37 GMT
#20811
@BottleAbuser

Put in a Pentium G530 or G620 if that's not available. Or G620T if you want to save ~1-2W at idle lol
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
ForgottenOne
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania236 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 15:50:17
April 20 2012 15:49 GMT
#20812
What do you guys think about this monitor?
(other than seldom gaming I'll be using 4-6 hours a day for software development)

http://www.emag.ro/monitoare-lcd--amp--led/monitor-led-benq-24-wide-professional-gaming-2ms-fullhd-dvi-hdmi-negru-rl2450ht--p9H.L8GLB.HBE

The store closes in 1 hour and 11 minutes and I would like to get it in time to play Diablo III all weekend long. Or would you recommend other 24 inch 1920x1080 at a similar price?
Link: http://www.emag.ro/monitoare-lcd--amp--led/filter/diagonala-v1913,23-6-24-6-inch-ig2201/pret,intre-600-si-1000/sort-priceasc/last/f7
Born free, as free as the wind blows...
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 20 2012 16:45 GMT
#20813
Just get an ultrasharp.
Cerotix
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada121 Posts
April 20 2012 18:36 GMT
#20814
hey guys, i just want to get some final thoughts on my build, going to start ordering things this weekend. comp is going to be used for gaming, D3, sc2, bf3, etc.


Part list permalink: http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/6Ecu
Part price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/6Ecu/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/6Ecu/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.69 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($30.66 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Canada Computers)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.99 @ NCIX)
Hard Drive: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($148.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($269.49 @ Vuugo)
Case: Thermaltake Commander MS-I SNOW ED. ID ATX Mid Tower Case ($55.47 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Antec 550W ATX12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222AL/BSBE DVD/CD Writer ($19.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $971.26
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2012-04-20 14:33 EDT-0400)
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 20 2012 18:49 GMT
#20815
Hyper 212+ is available for $23: http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/218427/RR-B10-212P-G1/COOLERMASTER/

Asrock Z68 Extreme3 is garbage for $155. If you want to spend so much on the motherboard, just get a Z77A-GD55 for $5 more (which is miles better): http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130644

Antec BP550 sucks for $50 and is not suitable for CrossfireX. You want a 650w for CrossfireX.

RipjawsX is overpriced at $47. There are 2x4gb kits for around $40.

Optical drive is overpriced.

Don't have time to look right now.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
April 20 2012 18:50 GMT
#20816
Consider a cheap add-in sound card like a Xonar DG if you're going to play BF3. Or be ready to buy one later if you don't use a USB headset.

There's a bug that will never be fixed, where Punkbuster, Realtek HD Audio, BF3, and some unknown variable will cause lockups. The only solution I know of is to use USB audio or an add-in card so you can disable Realtek if you happen to get the bug.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 19:47:24
April 20 2012 19:45 GMT
#20817
On April 21 2012 03:49 skyR wrote:

Antec BP550 sucks for $50 and is not suitable for CrossfireX. You want a 650w for CrossfireX.


If he's doing CF 7850's a real ~500W is fine for CF. They only draw like ~100W remember? @Cerotix, the BP550 Plus is, for all intents and purposes, a 400W unit - and a mediocre one at that.

So for CF 7850's, even overclocked with the overclocked 2500K, you can just get a XFX 550 for $65 from NCIX: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=59615&vpn=P1550SXXB9&manufacture=XFX

Also I would suggest that if you want to do anything more than a relatively minor OC, get something better than a 212+; for example, Scythe Ninja 3 $35 @ NCIX: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=61486&vpn=SCNJ-3000&manufacture=Scythe&promoid=1387
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
Xarik
Profile Joined March 2011
United States19 Posts
April 20 2012 21:02 GMT
#20818
On April 20 2012 11:00 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 10:11 Doodsmack wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Would appreciate any input on the below build which is primarily for Diablo 3. Max budget is around $600 including Windows 7. Is my PSU wattage sufficient? Thanks!


Rosewill RNX-N150PCe (RNWD-11011) IEEE 802.11b/g/n PCIe 2.0 Wireless Adapter

$11.99

CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model CMV4GX3M2A1333C9

$24.99

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

$69.99

GIGABYTE GA-Z68AP-D3(R2.0) LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

$109.99

MSI R6450-MD1GD3/LP Radeon HD 6450 1GB 64-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card

$44.99

Antec Basiq BP350 350W ATX12V v2.01 Power Supply

$39.99

Intel Core i3-540 Clarkdale 3.06GHz LGA 1156 73W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80616I3540

$119.99

Western Digital AV-GP WD5000AUDX 500GB IntelliPower SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

$99.99

LITE-ON Black Internal 12X Blu-ray Combo SATA Model ihes112-04

$59.99

Subtotal: $546.90


Ignoring the compatibility issue and the miscalculation of the total (unless there are coupons / promos which you didn't mention), your build basically sucks.

BP350 isn't an attractive option at $40 given what is available at this price point currently.

Caviar Green should not be used as a primary drive.

Antec Three Hundred is overpriced at $70 and you should not be severely sacrificing performance for the case.

Memory is overpriced.

6450 sucks.

Not sure why you need a blu-ray player for Diablo III.

For $490, this is miles better (not including wireless or optical drive). Basically the same price as your configuration when you add the wireless and blu-ray:

Sapphire Radeon HD6850 @ $135 (w/ promo code HARDOCPX418G, ends 4/24)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908

GSkill 4GB 1333MHz @ $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231421

Antec Earthwatts 430D @ $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371034

Intel Core i3 2100 & Asrock H61M-VS @ $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.882767

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $75
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00461G3MS

Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $50
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003ZM7YTA/


Agree with most of this, very close to my rig.
You need to install 2 ram chips for dual channel memory, so either get 2 of those nice 4GB Gskills, or find a 2x2GB kit.

Never skimp on your PSU, always a good idea to have extra wattage, don't want your PSU running full blast the whole time.
Neo Eco 520C @ $60, 20bucks more than earthwatts for an extra 100watts on the 12V rail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371030

Or Neo Eco 620C @ $70 for even more power, about another 90watts over the 520C (My current psu, but I did get it for 55)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371031

The marketing schemes for Power supplies are unreal, always check wattage on the 12V rail, live by this database
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page541.htm
It is better to say nothing and appear stupid, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 20 2012 21:07 GMT
#20819
Earthwatts 430D is more than sufficient for a measly configuration. Spending money on a 520C or 620C would just be dumb.
Xarik
Profile Joined March 2011
United States19 Posts
April 20 2012 21:56 GMT
#20820
Your power supply is your engine, the more headroom you have, the less your psu is stressed, lower temp, longer life, all im sayin. Neo ecos are made by Seasonic as well.
It is better to say nothing and appear stupid, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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