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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On April 13 2012 01:47 ued_anklebreak wrote: ok thanks. last question. would an amd II x3 445 or 440 be ok or must i get a modern quad core? i saw it in the OP. Since shitty, discontinued hardware is, by nature, shit, just get a modern quad core. Streaming beats the piss out of CPU. | ||
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rtsAlaran
Germany383 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [FAQ] + What is your budget? - 800 € is target dont care about +-100 What is your resolution? - 1920 x 1080 or 1920 x 1200 What are you using it for? - mainly for GW2, but also some Photoshop, recording&editing videos (SC2 for me :D), I want to try stream some LoL and if possible SC2 too - I think our internet connection will be the bottleneck for stream quality. What is your upgrade cycle? - 3 years I guess, maybe a new core sooner as needed When do you plan on building it? - Should be ready by May 15, the sooner the better Do you plan on overclocking? - nope Do you need an Operating System? - No. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? - Don't think its needed because we wont use more than 1 monitor Where are you buying your parts from? - not sure yet, I'll see whats cheapest on geizhals.at So far I looked into the following: CPU: Intel Core i5-2400, 4x 3.10GHz, boxed (BX80623I52400) from €160,89 http://geizhals.at/de/580325 Board: ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Z77 (dual PC3-12800U DDR3) from €118,90 http://geizhals.at/de/746839 GPU: not sure yet if an Radeon 7850 with 2GB or GTX560 Ti 448 cores + Show Spoiler + MSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II/OC, GeForce GTX 560 Ti, 1GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, Mini-HDMI (V238-059R) from €189,21 http://geizhals.at/de/610533 Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 OC, 2GB GDDR5, DVI, HDMI, 2x mini DisplayPort, full retail (11200-01-40G) from €234,79 Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 OC, 2GB GDDR5, DVI, HDMI, 2x mini DisplayPort, lite retail (11200-01-20G) from €222,10 http://geizhals.at/de/745499 RAM: G.Skill DIMM Kit 8GB PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24 (DDR3-1333) (F3-10600CL9D-8GBNT) from €31,87 http://geizhals.at/de/598574 Storage: SSD (boot disk): Crucial m4 SSD 64GB, 2.5", SATA 6Gb/s (CT064M4SSD2) from €68,90 http://geizhals.at/de/626831 HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1000GB, SATA 6Gb/s (ST31000524AS) from €69,97 http://geizhals.at/de/601652 PSU: be quiet! Straight Power E9 CM 580W ATX 2.3 (E9-CM-580W/BN198) from €88,33 http://geizhals.at/de/677397 Case: I'm least familiar with those, I know it should be one for ATX sized board and enough room for 2HHDs, 2x 5.25" front slots for 1) DVD Burner, 2) Cardreader+fan control+USB+headset plugs (will use those from older PC). Both, front and rear fans would be nice to secure good airflow. Questions?!? 1) I am also considering to use an AMD CPU + Show Spoiler + AMD FX-Series FX-8120, 8x 3.10GHz, boxed (FD8120FRGUBOX) ab €149,99 http://geizhals.at/de/689394 or something similar different motherboard needed: ASUS M5A99X Evo, 990X (dual PC3-14900U DDR3) (90-MIBFL0-G0AAY00Z) ab €95,94 http://geizhals.at/de/647801 ASRock 990FX Extreme4, 990FX (dual PC3-14900U DDR3) ab €136,79 http://geizhals.at/de/653835 2) Would it be worth to dump a bit more money into a ATI card with more memory, considering massive amount of players in WvWvW in GW2? 3) Will be a 580W PSU enough for this setup? 4) Any case (+fan) suggestions?  Thank you for your help <3 TL | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 13 2012 03:38 rtsAlaran wrote:+ Show Spoiler + So, my girlfriend wants a new PC for GW2 and D3. + Show Spoiler [FAQ] + What is your budget? - 800 € is target dont care about +-100 What is your resolution? - 1920 x 1080 or 1920 x 1200 What are you using it for? - mainly for GW2, but also some Photoshop, recording&editing videos (SC2 for me :D), I want to try stream some LoL and if possible SC2 too - I think our internet connection will be the bottleneck for stream quality. What is your upgrade cycle? - 3 years I guess, maybe a new core sooner as needed When do you plan on building it? - Should be ready by May 15, the sooner the better Do you plan on overclocking? - nope Do you need an Operating System? - No. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? - Don't think its needed because we wont use more than 1 monitor Where are you buying your parts from? - not sure yet, I'll see whats cheapest on geizhals.at So far I looked into the following: CPU: Intel Core i5-2400, 4x 3.10GHz, boxed (BX80623I52400) from €160,89 http://geizhals.at/de/580325 Board: ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Z77 (dual PC3-12800U DDR3) from €118,90 http://geizhals.at/de/746839 GPU: not sure yet if an Radeon 7850 with 2GB or GTX560 Ti 448 cores + Show Spoiler + MSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II/OC, GeForce GTX 560 Ti, 1GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, Mini-HDMI (V238-059R) from €189,21 http://geizhals.at/de/610533 Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 OC, 2GB GDDR5, DVI, HDMI, 2x mini DisplayPort, full retail (11200-01-40G) from €234,79 Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 OC, 2GB GDDR5, DVI, HDMI, 2x mini DisplayPort, lite retail (11200-01-20G) from €222,10 http://geizhals.at/de/745499 RAM: G.Skill DIMM Kit 8GB PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24 (DDR3-1333) (F3-10600CL9D-8GBNT) from €31,87 http://geizhals.at/de/598574 Storage: SSD (boot disk): Crucial m4 SSD 64GB, 2.5", SATA 6Gb/s (CT064M4SSD2) from €68,90 http://geizhals.at/de/626831 HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1000GB, SATA 6Gb/s (ST31000524AS) from €69,97 http://geizhals.at/de/601652 PSU: be quiet! Straight Power E9 CM 580W ATX 2.3 (E9-CM-580W/BN198) from €88,33 http://geizhals.at/de/677397 Case: I'm least familiar with those, I know it should be one for ATX sized board and enough room for 2HHDs, 2x 5.25" front slots for 1) DVD Burner, 2) Cardreader+fan control+USB+headset plugs (will use those from older PC). Both, front and rear fans would be nice to secure good airflow. Questions?!? 1) I am also considering to use an AMD CPU + Show Spoiler + AMD FX-Series FX-8120, 8x 3.10GHz, boxed (FD8120FRGUBOX) ab €149,99 http://geizhals.at/de/689394 or something similar different motherboard needed: ASUS M5A99X Evo, 990X (dual PC3-14900U DDR3) (90-MIBFL0-G0AAY00Z) ab €95,94 http://geizhals.at/de/647801 ASRock 990FX Extreme4, 990FX (dual PC3-14900U DDR3) ab €136,79 http://geizhals.at/de/653835 2) Would it be worth to dump a bit more money into a ATI card with more memory, considering massive amount of players in WvWvW in GW2? 3) Will be a 580W PSU enough for this setup? 4) Any case (+fan) suggestions? Thank you for your help <3 TL A Z77 board is unnecessary since you will not be doing any overclocking. Get a H67 motherboard instead which will be significantly less. An AMD Bulldozer in every case performs worse than Intel's equivalent for gaming, there is no reason to consider it as an option for gaming and some streaming lol. Video memory will not be a concern for Guild Wars 2. The GTX 560 Ti you listed is a regular GTX 560 Ti, not a 448 variant. But I'd pick the 7850. 580w is more than enough for such a configuration, get the 480w variant instead. | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
580W is fine. SkyR beat me to it. Take his advice. | ||
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LocusCoeruleus
Norway32 Posts
I'm looking for something in the 400-500 range and its mostly for surfing, school and programming (should handle eclipse fairly well). Suggestions is welcomed with thanks! | ||
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rtsAlaran
Germany383 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:01 skyR wrote: A Z77 board is unnecessary since you will not be doing any overclocking. Get a H67 motherboard instead which will be significantly less. An AMD Bulldozer in every case performs worse than Intel's equivalent for gaming, there is no reason to consider it as an option for gaming and some streaming lol. Video memory will not be a concern for Guild Wars 2. The GTX 560 Ti you listed is a regular GTX 560 Ti, not a 448 variant. But I'd pick the 7850. 580w is more than enough for such a configuration, get the 480w variant instead. lol at that GTX listing, must have messed some link up^^ My reasoning behind that Z77 board was native support for USB3.0 which I totally want since I already got a USB3 external HDD for backup. Also it will support Ivy Bridge and with that PCIe3.0 for future upgrades (I can replace CPU+GPU w/o need to change Mobo!?) Considered AMD CPU because I already talked to some guys in PC (component) shops, they said AMD ones should be better performance/price, also have some AMD fans among my friends^^ On April 13 2012 04:01 Josh_rakoons wrote: That build is pretty ok, just change the mother board to a H61 and change the GPU to a 7870. 580W is fine. 7870 is like 100bucks more O_O ?!? is that performance that much better? PSU: what now? 480, 500, 580? Or even some case with a PSU builtin (550W) | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
I'd tell you Bulldozer was awesome too if I wanted to move inventory. | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:38 rtsAlaran wrote: Considered AMD CPU because I already talked to some guys in PC (component) shops, they said AMD ones should be better performance/price, also have some AMD fans among my friends^^ People trying to sell stuff & people who are blind fans. Intel is just better both in terms of price/performance (at any price point!) AND in terms of maximum raw performance. It's not what any of us want from a competitive market point of view, but it is what it is, and there's no point to pay the same or more money for an inferior product. The numbers don't lie. Just look at benchmarks of an i5 2400 vs the much more expensive "eight core" FX-8150. Scroll down for gaming. Bulldozer gets bulldozered =( http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/363?vs=434 | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On April 13 2012 04:38 rtsAlaran wrote: lol at that GTX listing, must have messed some link up^^ My reasoning behind that Z77 board was native support for USB3.0 which I totally want since I already got a USB3 external HDD for backup. Also it will support Ivy Bridge and with that PCIe3.0 for future upgrades (I can replace CPU+GPU w/o need to change Mobo!?) Considered AMD CPU because I already talked to some guys in PC (component) shops, they said AMD ones should be better performance/price, also have some AMD fans among my friends^^ 7870 is like 100bucks more O_O ?!? is that performance that much better? PSU: what now? 480, 500, 580? Or even some case with a PSU builtin (550W) Well its better than a 580 by quite a bit and even challenges a 7950 at times so yeah the performance is indeed that much better but if you can't afford it then no biggie at all. | ||
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TeaGreen
Canada147 Posts
My question is is the M4 controller really that more reliable? And OCZ's Vertex 4 came out which uses the Indilinx Everest 2 controller. Should I get the Indilinx Everest 2 SSD or the Crucial M4 or did something about the Sandforce change so that they're ok now since it's kinda been a while? Sorry if I'm wrong anywhere I read what I can but this technology shit moves super fast lols... | ||
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ensign_lee
United States1178 Posts
On April 13 2012 06:05 TeaGreen wrote: I don't know too much about SSD controllers but just by searching some older threads/googles the Sandforce controller performance wise is pretty good but they crap out earlier to it's more ideal to buy a Crucial M4 because it doesn't use that controller. My question is is the M4 controller really that more reliable? And OCZ's Vertex 4 came out which uses the Indilinx Everest 2 controller. Should I get the Indilinx Everest 2 SSD or the Crucial M4 or did something about the Sandforce change so that they're ok now since it's kinda been a while? Sorry if I'm wrong anywhere I read what I can but this technology shit moves super fast lols... Depends how much your time and aggravation is worth. Personally, I wouldn't ever touch a sandforce drive, because I don't want to end up like this guy: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2238813 or any of the hundreds of other threads I've seen where one day someone tries to boot their PC and it... doesn't' boot because sandforce is having problems. You don't save much money even on a 128GB SSD by going with Sandforce instead of Marvel. | ||
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AceAces
United States13 Posts
My requirements for the stream are: 1. Be able to run Diablo 3 on very high settings 2. Be able to run a good quality stream while playing D3 on very high 3. Be able to stream with a Blackmagic Intensity Shuttle. I'm a competitive Street Fighter player, and I need to be able to stream from Xbox. I'm going with the Shuttle so that I can move to laptop streaming in the future. I know you guys are mostly SC2, but I've heard really good stuff about your tech forum so I'd really appreciate your help :3 Here is a tentative build I threw together. I'm almost certain that there's going to be some problems with it, so please let me know what they are, cause I need the help. I'm going to play on a 1920x1080 monitor, but I also have a 1650x1080 monitor, and it would be cool to use both while streaming (game on the big one, chat and xsplit on the small) My budget is pretty flexible, but I don't want want to waste money on some super-good hardware I don't need, so as long as it meets my requirements I'm good, but I'd rather not go overboard. Power Supply CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028 Motherboard ASUS P8Z77-V LE LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI USB 3.0 Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131823 Case: Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066 Graphics Card EVGA 01G-P3-1556-KR GeForce GTX 550 Ti (Fermi) FPB 1GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130625 Processor Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104127 RAM Kingston HyperX 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) XMP Desktop Memory Model KHX1600C9D3K3/12GX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104127 Harddrive Seagate Barracuda Green ST2000DL003 2TB 5900 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148681 DVD Drive ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 Thanks for looking it over, I appreciate it! | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Since you are overclocking you need a CPU cooler. Pick up a hyper 212+. 1600 RAM, as well as 12gbs of it is unnecessary. You can save quite a bit of money going with 2 kits of 1333 4gb. Dont buy a 5900 HDD unless you have an SSD or a legacy 7200 RPM drive somewhere. Slow load times will kill your streaming experience. $164 motherboard is also unnecessary. Get something like an ASRock Pro3 motherboard, should be around $100 550Ti is pointless. Get a radeon 6850 which performs better and costs less while doing it. Or use the money I saved you above to buy a better GPU anyway. I saved you around $80 or so (after getting the cooler) with no loss of performance so might as well. | ||
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AceAces
United States13 Posts
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On April 13 2012 06:11 ensign_lee wrote: Depends how much your time and aggravation is worth. Personally, I wouldn't ever touch a sandforce drive, because I don't want to end up like this guy: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2238813 or any of the hundreds of other threads I've seen where one day someone tries to boot their PC and it... doesn't' boot because sandforce is having problems. You don't save much money even on a 128GB SSD by going with Sandforce instead of Marvel. The Everest 2 firmware for Vertex 4 is also based on the Marvell controller, a newer and faster version than which is in M4. Not a bad choice I'd think, but M4 is obviously a bit safer since it's been out for a while. Other than that, people ask about Sandforce on every page, I don't get it. Yeah, they had a terrible past because of everyone freaking out from constant BSOD and the Sandforce team weren't able to pinpoint the problem and blamed others, now the units are okay for 99% of the users but the reputation still lingers. The units with Marvell controller (Plextor M3, Crucial M4, Intel 510, Corsair Performance Pro Vertex 4 etc..) are preferable in terms of proven stability, they provide a nice base which then the manufacturers can build and tweak firmware to their liking. On April 13 2012 04:53 Wabbit wrote: People trying to sell stuff & people who are blind fans. Intel is just better both in terms of price/performance (at any price point!) AND in terms of maximum raw performance. It's not what any of us want from a competitive market point of view, but it is what it is, and there's no point to pay the same or more money for an inferior product. The numbers don't lie. Just look at benchmarks of an i5 2400 vs the much more expensive "eight core" FX-8150. Scroll down for gaming. Bulldozer gets bulldozered =( http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/363?vs=434 Well, if you like zipping there is no reason not to get a bulldozer. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On April 13 2012 07:49 AceAces wrote: I heard asrock isn't compatible with blackmagics. Illmake the other changes though. Thanks bro! How many watts should I aim for on the power supply? It's not about wattage its about build quality. Check the OP on the first page. An Antec 380D can run your system fine. As for the Blackmagic thing I have no idea why ASRock motherboards would be incompatible. The dollar range is still important though. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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