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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
July 25 2008 05:54 GMT
#81
maybe the best way to do it is to start B.Net2 off with a huge online tourney. GIve awesome prizes that link to the account for how well you finish and thus encourage players to play their best. This way, a player that would be tempted to multi will instead keep playing on his account to maintain prestige and such.
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nullmind
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
1303 Posts
July 25 2008 06:56 GMT
#82
I think people get so intimidated by stats. I think stats should be only visible for personal viewing and have just have rank or grade visible. Maybe a system like Top 1000 players certain rank/grade and next grade for like 1001~5000, 5001~10000, 10001~20000, etc.. So you wont have to worry about not being able to find opponent since there's always couple thousand people with your rank.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5907 Posts
July 25 2008 08:44 GMT
#83
On July 25 2008 14:36 VIB wrote:
Why are there STILL people advocating for paying extra money for using bnet? It has been said multiple times on this thread, I thought it would be clear by now that it makes zero sense to pay additional for bnet. If the acc is linked to the cd-key you'd already need to pay for an additional cd-key if you want to smurf. Then only allow to change name/stats within the acc but the server still knows your record. There you go, no more smurfing, problem solved. What are you guys still arguing here, what part of the obvious did you not comprehend?


No, that only creates new problems:

"Yeah, and that's totally bad...

What if my brother wants to play SC2 too but he's of different skill level? Why does he have to buy another CD key?

What if I want to learn a new race? I'm definitely not level 30 with Zerg just because I am with Terran, right?"
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
July 25 2008 10:56 GMT
#84
On July 25 2008 15:56 nullmind wrote:
I think people get so intimidated by stats. I think stats should be only visible for personal viewing and have just have rank or grade visible. Maybe a system like Top 1000 players certain rank/grade and next grade for like 1001~5000, 5001~10000, 10001~20000, etc.. So you wont have to worry about not being able to find opponent since there's always couple thousand people with your rank.

I love stats but there's a point to this.. Nothing annoys me more than retards joining a 3v3, checking the stats of their team mates, and leaving just before the countdown starts.

They can go diagf imo.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
July 25 2008 15:26 GMT
#85
who the heck cares about stats. stats dont mean crap. do you know how much abuse this will lead to?
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
Sir.Kimmel
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States785 Posts
July 25 2008 16:09 GMT
#86
just link account names to cd key and make an option to formally reset it or formally change the name to blizzard...


or have a master account like steam


and just be able to make little names under it... but everyone will still be able to see the master account
Lets throw in Canada into the mix and we can rename our country to Camerico. --Klogon
Morzas
Profile Joined August 2005
United States387 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-25 16:42:23
July 25 2008 16:41 GMT
#87
On July 25 2008 12:29 prOxi.swAMi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2008 11:15 moebius_string wrote:
Some of you are too willing to part with your money and all it's going to do in the long run is cause game companies to charge us for the game, the right of playing it, and everything in between. Theres will always be someone out there willing to help a fools part with their money.

It's not like you don't _get_ the game when you buy it. Fuck. You think it doesn't cost Blizzard money to maintain Battle.net? Of course people shouldn't be over-generous with their money but don't call people fools for being willing to pay for a service when they receive it. In fact, I believe the opposite of a financially over-generous individual would be a thief. Hi thief.


SC Battle.net in it's current state is just a match-making service, it's not like WoW where tons of data is stored on the servers. Charging money for a peer-to-peer matchmaking service is bullshit. I have no idea how Microsoft gets away with it on XBOX LIVE, but if Blizzard makes me pay for peer-to-peer then I'm going to say "fuck b.net" and play on private servers as soon as they come out.
What has four wheels and flies? Stephen Hawking on LSD!
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
July 25 2008 17:59 GMT
#88
On July 26 2008 00:26 ramen247 wrote:
who the heck cares about stats. stats dont mean crap. do you know how much abuse this will lead to?

I love stats because I love keeping track of my winning % on map X with race Y vs race Z
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
July 25 2008 20:58 GMT
#89
On July 25 2008 17:44 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2008 14:36 VIB wrote:
Why are there STILL people advocating for paying extra money for using bnet? It has been said multiple times on this thread, I thought it would be clear by now that it makes zero sense to pay additional for bnet. If the acc is linked to the cd-key you'd already need to pay for an additional cd-key if you want to smurf. Then only allow to change name/stats within the acc but the server still knows your record. There you go, no more smurfing, problem solved. What are you guys still arguing here, what part of the obvious did you not comprehend?


No, that only creates new problems:

"Yeah, and that's totally bad...

What if my brother wants to play SC2 too but he's of different skill level? Why does he have to buy another CD key?

What if I want to learn a new race? I'm definitely not level 30 with Zerg just because I am with Terran, right?"
- According to the EULA your brother has to buy another CD-key anyway, this is also valid for sc1, wc3 and pretty much any commercial proprietary game.
- The server has access to your stats per race, there is no reason to not let you play with a different race at a different skill level
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
moebius_string
Profile Joined December 2007
United States264 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-26 03:03:06
July 26 2008 02:59 GMT
#90
On July 25 2008 12:29 prOxi.swAMi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2008 11:15 moebius_string wrote:
Some of you are too willing to part with your money and all it's going to do in the long run is cause game companies to charge us for the game, the right of playing it, and everything in between. Theres will always be someone out there willing to help a fools part with their money.

It's not like you don't _get_ the game when you buy it. Fuck. You think it doesn't cost Blizzard money to maintain Battle.net? Of course people shouldn't be over-generous with their money but don't call people fools for being willing to pay for a service when they receive it. In fact, I believe the opposite of a financially over-generous individual would be a thief. Hi thief.


Blizzard maintains battle.net good enough for free. You call me a theif, but your a what the corporations call easy money.
FBH is insurance.
moebius_string
Profile Joined December 2007
United States264 Posts
July 26 2008 03:01 GMT
#91
On July 25 2008 14:36 VIB wrote:
Why are there STILL people advocating for paying extra money for using bnet? It has been said multiple times on this thread, I thought it would be clear by now that it makes zero sense to pay additional for bnet. If the acc is linked to the cd-key you'd already need to pay for an additional cd-key if you want to smurf. Then only allow to change name/stats within the acc but the server still knows your record. There you go, no more smurfing, problem solved. What are you guys still arguing here, what part of the obvious did you not comprehend?


Cause people make the mistake in assuming that paying more guarantees you better quality. Smart people know thats a fallacy.
FBH is insurance.
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
July 26 2008 09:07 GMT
#92
On July 25 2008 19:56 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2008 15:56 nullmind wrote:
I think people get so intimidated by stats. I think stats should be only visible for personal viewing and have just have rank or grade visible. Maybe a system like Top 1000 players certain rank/grade and next grade for like 1001~5000, 5001~10000, 10001~20000, etc.. So you wont have to worry about not being able to find opponent since there's always couple thousand people with your rank.

I love stats but there's a point to this.. Nothing annoys me more than retards joining a 3v3, checking the stats of their team mates, and leaving just before the countdown starts.

They can go diagf imo.

It is disruptive to leave before a game starts. But you know what's more annoying than that? Sticking around to watch your 3-win, 12-loss teammate build an array of pylons and 3 forges as his first buildings. Joining a random public team game is hairy business, at any rate..
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
July 26 2008 09:10 GMT
#93
On July 24 2008 11:32 alien3456 wrote:
Hopefully they code some sort of AI that can analyze how people play. If a new account is managing their economy very well, attacking expertly, has a fairly decent APM and wins their first game, then they shouldn't be playing the other new accounts who sloppily play and win their first game by luck. Those two players will have the same rank after one game, but they shouldn't play each other in auto-matchmaking.

As long as Bnet2 has a nice UI, a good system for clans and tournaments, intelligent auto-matchmaking and a more useful/responsive listing of games... I'll be a happy player.


hah, so i actually started reading this thread and this is the first response i see.

you should read up on statistics, sample sizes, etc
Moonlight Shadow
PliX
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands72 Posts
July 26 2008 10:39 GMT
#94
I want the old ladder rating back No AMM, I loved the game names 1250++ lt no disc
1. NTT - Best Brood War player in the history of the game. Also totally awesome and super sweet. Some ego problems.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
July 26 2008 10:46 GMT
#95
On July 26 2008 05:58 VIB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2008 17:44 maybenexttime wrote:
On July 25 2008 14:36 VIB wrote:
Why are there STILL people advocating for paying extra money for using bnet? It has been said multiple times on this thread, I thought it would be clear by now that it makes zero sense to pay additional for bnet. If the acc is linked to the cd-key you'd already need to pay for an additional cd-key if you want to smurf. Then only allow to change name/stats within the acc but the server still knows your record. There you go, no more smurfing, problem solved. What are you guys still arguing here, what part of the obvious did you not comprehend?


No, that only creates new problems:

"Yeah, and that's totally bad...

What if my brother wants to play SC2 too but he's of different skill level? Why does he have to buy another CD key?

What if I want to learn a new race? I'm definitely not level 30 with Zerg just because I am with Terran, right?"
- According to the EULA your brother has to buy another CD-key anyway, this is also valid for sc1, wc3 and pretty much any commercial proprietary game.
- The server has access to your stats per race, there is no reason to not let you play with a different race at a different skill level

It's retarded to force people in the same house to own multiple copies of the same game. Just absolutely beyond retarded.

And it's obviously something that's never been reinforced by blizzard.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
dcttr66
Profile Joined October 2003
United States555 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-26 15:41:15
July 26 2008 15:18 GMT
#96
On July 26 2008 01:09 Sir.Kimmel wrote:
just link account names to cd key and make an option to formally reset it or formally change the name to blizzard...


or have a master account like steam


and just be able to make little names under it... but everyone will still be able to see the master account

yeah this was basically my idea as well.
On July 25 2008 02:16 teamsolid wrote:
They'll never limit # of accts on BNet because of PC Bangs.

i think my aforementioned idea is still valid because if you consider, the pc bangs will be buying copies of starcraft anyway, the issue is that the players will not be able to use the names that they want on bnet when they go to a pc bang. but if you think about it, that could be good for the pc bang for advertising. they could make names that include their bang name, or address, phone number, etc...whatever they do it will stand out that those bnet guys are at a pc bang right? it would be kindof like clans maybe. each bang might have a bang tag or something on the names...perhaps the first players to play sc2 at those bangs will get to name those accounts, and then everyone else has to play on those or some more generic names.

i mean, when you go to a bang you really aren't playing from home anyway, so why make it look like you're playing from home as usual?
of course anytime you see a bang name you'll know it's a shared account so you won't know who to expect to play against.

i guess though this would be a problem for someone who wants to do ladder and can only play at bangs or has to spend most of their time there...but perhaps he can register with the bang to get his own private account. anyway you have to consider all the names are going to have passwords anyway, right? so theorhetically, it could definitely work. so the generic names everyone would have access to but the others only the regular ladder bang players would, or something like that.


previously posted:
"you are nada and you want to go on b.net for a break. you realize you can't noob bash because the system won't let you play even against the best player on US WEST because his stats are better than his. this is mucho gay. and what if nada wants to keep his identity a secret to prevent fans from flooding him? he can't. unless he makes an account that has nothing to do with nada. and
nada wont be able to be the guy in the player slot of the random obs game that doesnt talk and says ggglhf just before the ame starts and totally own some random noob....

seriously, starcraft's b.net works fine.

b.net 2 shouldnt have much more improvements than these:
-less server lag for more ppl being able to host
-better speed and latency
-ability for more than 8ppl a game (more obs)
-slight graphical improvements
-more friend list space
-better way to reply to whispers from random person with weird name
-better friend add system
-ability to create clan
-ability to join clan without new account



SMURFING IS PART OF STARCRAFT!"

yes and well, with my idea you can have 2 smurf accounts.
but, only if you add another idea. you have to allow the smurfers to disable the part that shows other people the other account names tied to the cd key.

by the way...i think you guys should call people who smurf posers.
it makes sense, because they are posing as level one players.
ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
July 26 2008 15:47 GMT
#97
On July 27 2008 00:18 dcttr66 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2008 01:09 Sir.Kimmel wrote:
just link account names to cd key and make an option to formally reset it or formally change the name to blizzard...


or have a master account like steam


and just be able to make little names under it... but everyone will still be able to see the master account

yeah this was basically my idea as well.
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2008 02:16 teamsolid wrote:
They'll never limit # of accts on BNet because of PC Bangs.

i think my aforementioned idea is still valid because if you consider, the pc bangs will be buying copies of starcraft anyway, the issue is that the players will not be able to use the names that they want on bnet when they go to a pc bang. but if you think about it, that could be good for the pc bang for advertising. they could make names that include their bang name, or address, phone number, etc...whatever they do it will stand out that those bnet guys are at a pc bang right? it would be kindof like clans maybe. each bang might have a bang tag or something on the names...perhaps the first players to play sc2 at those bangs will get to name those accounts, and then everyone else has to play on those or some more generic names.

i mean, when you go to a bang you really aren't playing from home anyway, so why make it look like you're playing from home as usual?
of course anytime you see a bang name you'll know it's a shared account so you won't know who to expect to play against.

i guess though this would be a problem for someone who wants to do ladder and can only play at bangs or has to spend most of their time there...but perhaps he can register with the bang to get his own private account. anyway you have to consider all the names are going to have passwords anyway, right? so theorhetically, it could definitely work. so the generic names everyone would have access to but the others only the regular ladder bang players would, or something like that.


previously posted:
"you are nada and you want to go on b.net for a break. you realize you can't noob bash because the system won't let you play even against the best player on US WEST because his stats are better than his. this is mucho gay. and what if nada wants to keep his identity a secret to prevent fans from flooding him? he can't. unless he makes an account that has nothing to do with nada. and
nada wont be able to be the guy in the player slot of the random obs game that doesnt talk and says ggglhf just before the ame starts and totally own some random noob....

seriously, starcraft's b.net works fine.

b.net 2 shouldnt have much more improvements than these:
-less server lag for more ppl being able to host
-better speed and latency
-ability for more than 8ppl a game (more obs)
-slight graphical improvements
-more friend list space
-better way to reply to whispers from random person with weird name
-better friend add system
-ability to create clan
-ability to join clan without new account



SMURFING IS PART OF STARCRAFT!"

yes and well, with my idea you can have 2 smurf accounts.
but, only if you add another idea. you have to allow the smurfers to disable the part that shows other people the other account names tied to the cd key.

by the way...i think you guys should call people who smurf posers.
it makes sense, because they are posing as level one players.



i want to be able to create as many smurfs as i want.
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
dcttr66
Profile Joined October 2003
United States555 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-26 15:57:04
July 26 2008 15:54 GMT
#98
then go play starcraft.

as i was trying to say at the end of my post, in warcraft 3, perhaps people call those people smurfs, like they did in starcraft, but the term posers works better, and i imagine with the amm if it's anything like wc3's then it will be just as bad as posers.

so although you want to create many smurfs, you can't do so with wc3, not with the ladder system anyway. you'd just be a poser.

as for making smurfs...

maybe they could enable for the cd key besides the 3 or 4 or however many normal names/accounts some custom/ums only names/accounts which you can use for smurfing. these would not be able to play ladder, but you could change your name up and look anonymous. in fact, that could be how the pros disable the link to their bnet account. if that's what they're going to do.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5907 Posts
July 26 2008 16:31 GMT
#99
As FA already said, limiting people as to how many accounts they can make is just retarded. My bor's not gonna pay for another copy, and I'm not willing to pay to play my off-race on an adequate level either...
MrRammstein
Profile Joined May 2008
Poland339 Posts
July 26 2008 19:43 GMT
#100
On July 27 2008 00:54 dcttr66 wrote:
then go play starcraft.

as i was trying to say at the end of my post, in warcraft 3, perhaps people call those people smurfs, like they did in starcraft, but the term posers works better, and i imagine with the amm if it's anything like wc3's then it will be just as bad as posers.

so although you want to create many smurfs, you can't do so with wc3, not with the ladder system anyway. you'd just be a poser.

as for making smurfs...

maybe they could enable for the cd key besides the 3 or 4 or however many normal names/accounts some custom/ums only names/accounts which you can use for smurfing. these would not be able to play ladder, but you could change your name up and look anonymous. in fact, that could be how the pros disable the link to their bnet account. if that's what they're going to do.


You might mean abusers... I think most of smurfs are peaceful guys who just want to be anonymous; what is wrong with that?

About abusers what about flagging them at some set time?
It would last like 2 weeks, if someone would be flagged by quite a number of people comparing to number of his games, it would be easier to distinguish who should be avoided and who not.
Flags older than 2 weeks would be accessible to see too...
Or after 2 weeks half of them would disappear, half stay for next 2 weeks and so on.

Flags given or taken would trigger warnings if same player (same account) would be met again.

If someone would remake accounts all the time and all / most of them would be flagged enough, his ability to create new accounts would be temporarily disabled.
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