EPTOn July 22 2026 03:46 Athenau wrote:
Siege tanks are fine. They're only used in timings in TvP and Zerg has a plethora of ways to deal with mass tanks. There's nothing wrong with TvT being a tank-centric, positional match-up, just like Brood War.
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On July 22 2026 03:31 BlackEyed wrote:
If you want proof that Siege Tanks are overtuned, just look at TvT. They've completely warped the matchup to the point where it's honestly painful to watch - it's just one long tank crawl.
Terran doesn't need buffs to Tanks, and definitely not to Thors. Thors barely even require any control since they automatically target air units.
If anything needs a buff, it's the Raven. Not to the point where people start massing 40 Ravens again like in the old days, but by shifting some of the Ghost's power into the Raven in one way or another. That would make the Ghost less of a universal unit instead of being the answer to basically everything in TvZ.
On July 22 2026 00:39 tigera6 wrote:
Not with current Microbial Shroud and Viper if you nerf ghost Snipe, what to stop the Zerg army? It doesnt make sense because you want Zerg to keep wining apparently. Tanks get complete wrecked by Viper or just a couple Lings runby, and Thor is extremely immobile. Zerg will just attack the weak side with their mobility and get more map control. In your mind, Zerg players probably doesnt know how to scout and would charge head first without any spell caster into 10 tanks and 5 Thors wating or something, then saying Tanks and Thors are too strong, lol.
On July 21 2026 18:51 TeamMamba wrote:
They can’t buff most of the mech units you suggested since ghost / lib combo is literally unloseable in tvp. Any buffs in libs does make sense.
Doesn’t make sense to buff tank or thors since those are already strong in tvz
On July 21 2026 13:47 tigera6 wrote:
For some reason buffing Mech and SkyTerran is a taboo within the balance council, they could make a late game upgrade to reduce Terran splash to ally units, another one to negate Viper Abduct to Thor/Tank in Seige mode, or something that buff Bashee/Viking/Libs, all that to make Snipe only deal 50-75 dmg and cost 50 Engr. Instead we have Zerg with another spell that negate 50% range damage (which is from 80% of Terran unit) to buff Ultra rushing with lingbane.
On July 20 2026 23:47 BlackEyed wrote:
This patch already brought all of this on itself. Changes like these do nothing but create a massive sense of unfairness.
A 300 mineral Command Center? Seriously? I genuinely can't wrap my head around how anyone thought this was a good idea.
This isn't just a balance tweak anymore. It's something else entirely - borderline deliberate destabilization of the game. It honestly feels like they're intentionally taking the most frustrating aspects of StarCraft II and making them even worse.
Ghosts were already driving everyone insane. It's obvious to anyone being remotely objective that some of their power should be redistributed to other Terran units instead of being concentrated in a single unit.
So what do the developers do?
They buff the Ghost.
After that, what exactly are people supposed to think about them?
On July 20 2026 19:26 Agh wrote:
I don't even know what I'm reading except for people trying to rage bait each other or mislead.
their skill level.
On July 20 2026 15:05 THERIDDLER wrote:
When serral lost 0-8 to clem that patch wasn't fine. TvZ was zerg favored that patch. That's why you balanced the game around the entire pro scene instead of just 2 individuals.
On July 20 2026 13:07 BlackEyed wrote:
Yeah, and that's the sad part. But what's even sadder is that a few years ago, when Serral was losing 0-4 to Clem, everyone was perfectly fine with it and called it "balanced." Then Clem loses a few series, and suddenly Terran starts getting buff after buff.
And not just minor tweaks - completely insane, unprecedented buffs.
What if even this isn't enough and Clem still keeps losing? What's next? Terran starts with 10 workers while every other race starts with 8?
On July 20 2026 09:45 CicadaSC wrote:
Say what you want about the state of Zerg, a world where only Serral is competitive is not healthy for the game or it's players.
Say what you want about the state of Zerg, a world where only Serral is competitive is not healthy for the game or it's players.
Yeah, and that's the sad part. But what's even sadder is that a few years ago, when Serral was losing 0-4 to Clem, everyone was perfectly fine with it and called it "balanced." Then Clem loses a few series, and suddenly Terran starts getting buff after buff.
And not just minor tweaks - completely insane, unprecedented buffs.
What if even this isn't enough and Clem still keeps losing? What's next? Terran starts with 10 workers while every other race starts with 8?
When serral lost 0-8 to clem that patch wasn't fine. TvZ was zerg favored that patch. That's why you balanced the game around the entire pro scene instead of just 2 individuals.
I don't even know what I'm reading except for people trying to rage bait each other or mislead.
their skill level.
This patch already brought all of this on itself. Changes like these do nothing but create a massive sense of unfairness.
A 300 mineral Command Center? Seriously? I genuinely can't wrap my head around how anyone thought this was a good idea.
This isn't just a balance tweak anymore. It's something else entirely - borderline deliberate destabilization of the game. It honestly feels like they're intentionally taking the most frustrating aspects of StarCraft II and making them even worse.
Ghosts were already driving everyone insane. It's obvious to anyone being remotely objective that some of their power should be redistributed to other Terran units instead of being concentrated in a single unit.
So what do the developers do?
They buff the Ghost.
After that, what exactly are people supposed to think about them?
For some reason buffing Mech and SkyTerran is a taboo within the balance council, they could make a late game upgrade to reduce Terran splash to ally units, another one to negate Viper Abduct to Thor/Tank in Seige mode, or something that buff Bashee/Viking/Libs, all that to make Snipe only deal 50-75 dmg and cost 50 Engr. Instead we have Zerg with another spell that negate 50% range damage (which is from 80% of Terran unit) to buff Ultra rushing with lingbane.
They can’t buff most of the mech units you suggested since ghost / lib combo is literally unloseable in tvp. Any buffs in libs does make sense.
Doesn’t make sense to buff tank or thors since those are already strong in tvz
Not with current Microbial Shroud and Viper if you nerf ghost Snipe, what to stop the Zerg army? It doesnt make sense because you want Zerg to keep wining apparently. Tanks get complete wrecked by Viper or just a couple Lings runby, and Thor is extremely immobile. Zerg will just attack the weak side with their mobility and get more map control. In your mind, Zerg players probably doesnt know how to scout and would charge head first without any spell caster into 10 tanks and 5 Thors wating or something, then saying Tanks and Thors are too strong, lol.
If you want proof that Siege Tanks are overtuned, just look at TvT. They've completely warped the matchup to the point where it's honestly painful to watch - it's just one long tank crawl.
Terran doesn't need buffs to Tanks, and definitely not to Thors. Thors barely even require any control since they automatically target air units.
If anything needs a buff, it's the Raven. Not to the point where people start massing 40 Ravens again like in the old days, but by shifting some of the Ghost's power into the Raven in one way or another. That would make the Ghost less of a universal unit instead of being the answer to basically everything in TvZ.
Siege tanks are fine. They're only used in timings in TvP and Zerg has a plethora of ways to deal with mass tanks. There's nothing wrong with TvT being a tank-centric, positional match-up, just like Brood War.
There’s a lot wrong with it, at least the lack of variety. In WoL and HotS, there was actually a choice of what to play, because tankless compositions were still viable. Now TvT is just a dull spectacle with no dynamism and not a shred of tension.
