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On April 05 2025 04:41 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2025 04:05 Antithesis wrote:On April 05 2025 03:52 CicadaSC wrote:On April 05 2025 03:50 dysenterymd wrote:On April 05 2025 02:20 Waxangel wrote:On April 05 2025 02:17 Balnazza wrote:On April 05 2025 01:52 jinjin5000 wrote:
With esl being gone, what crank said is seemingly coming true, with scene only extending for few months and no future in sight and risk of repeating the past 6months of limbo once again as soon as Saudi ewc ends. Not really a "limbo", we now know that there will be no ESL/EWC tournament for atleast a year. So either the scene fills the void (then we have something) or it doesn't then we have nothing (and most certainly not an EWC next year). It was the unclarity that was so unsettling the past couple of months Time to see what kind of legs SC2 has as a 'normal' competitive esport, like War3, fighting games, and all the other scenes that aren't heavily bankrolled by a big company (well, some fighting games have become esports-ified, but I digress...). Obviously ESL/Blizzard can never be replaced, but I think if we get 3-4 more offline tournaments like BGE/HSC a year we can still have a nice little scene. Not the same as the glory days, but still fun to follow. Even that might be too much to hope for though, the next few weeks will be telling in that regard - if orgs exist that are willing to put on smaller LANS(big if) they would probably be in a holding pattern up until now. It would be great if we found a way to centralize crowd funding. A place that says, "are you a fan of SC2 esports and want them to continue? Donate to THIS patreon." rather than having 15 different places you have to donate to. Yes, absolutely. I had the same thought the other day. Actually, too many places to donate to are one of the reasons why I haven't donated much yet. I want to support HSC, but also PigSty, and also Wardi, and so on. A central SC2 crowdsourcing platform would be great. Well, the main problem with this issue is "who decides how the money is spent?" It's just unrealistic for a bunch of independent streamers/organizers to work out some theoretically ideal way to split a joint crowdfunding pot. And it's not just because of (understandable self-interest)—it's just too damned complicated. I think it's much more realistic for 2-4 streamers to temporarily collaborate and organize $20-30k size online events (or whatever sum it takes to get Serral to play), and crowdfund on a per-tournament basis.
It's also what just worked for other games. AoE 2 and WC3 run under the same principle, though Microsoft is augmenting the prizepools for AoE.
Either you have major players involved (like Riot, ESL, BLAST etc.) or you do it community-based...but then you need to run it like it is community-based aswell.
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It sucks that they waited so long. It’s just like beating a dead horse. Everyone knew this was going to happen, but the fact that they waited so long is just painful.
Now, let’s see what the community can do and whether we can manage to maybe even organize some small offline events.
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On April 05 2025 03:52 CicadaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2025 03:50 dysenterymd wrote:On April 05 2025 02:20 Waxangel wrote:On April 05 2025 02:17 Balnazza wrote:On April 05 2025 01:52 jinjin5000 wrote:
With esl being gone, what crank said is seemingly coming true, with scene only extending for few months and no future in sight and risk of repeating the past 6months of limbo once again as soon as Saudi ewc ends. Not really a "limbo", we now know that there will be no ESL/EWC tournament for atleast a year. So either the scene fills the void (then we have something) or it doesn't then we have nothing (and most certainly not an EWC next year). It was the unclarity that was so unsettling the past couple of months Time to see what kind of legs SC2 has as a 'normal' competitive esport, like War3, fighting games, and all the other scenes that aren't heavily bankrolled by a big company (well, some fighting games have become esports-ified, but I digress...). Obviously ESL/Blizzard can never be replaced, but I think if we get 3-4 more offline tournaments like BGE/HSC a year we can still have a nice little scene. Not the same as the glory days, but still fun to follow. Even that might be too much to hope for though, the next few weeks will be telling in that regard - if orgs exist that are willing to put on smaller LANS(big if) they would probably be in a holding pattern up until now. It would be great if we found a way to centralize crowd funding. A place that says, "are you a fan of SC2 esports and want them to continue? Donate to THIS patreon." rather than having 15 different places you have to donate to.
You have a good point
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Let the dark ages begin! No one supported BW other than bunch of die hard members when KeSPA dropped it. Now the same is happening for SC2. Thanks Blizzard for killing your RTS IP. Thank god they never touched BW scene.
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Glad that I was able to make it to Dreamhack Dallas last year. Wish I would have gone to more events. Thankfully, the real premier tournament (GSL) is not confirmed dead. 
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I'm personally quite enraged they didn't let us crowdfund it. I'm not sure how much money these tournaments costed though, but i'm sure something reasonable could have been worked out.
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On April 05 2025 06:20 Telephone wrote:Glad that I was able to make it to Dreamhack Dallas last year. Wish I would have gone to more events. Thankfully, the real premier tournament (GSL) is not confirmed dead.
Compared to other events now (outside EWC ofc) GSL now offers one of, if not THE largest prize pool in SC2. I wonder if we will see more pros traveling out there to compete in future seasons.
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On April 05 2025 04:41 Waxangel wrote:
I think it's much more realistic for 2-4 streamers to temporarily collaborate and organize $20-30k size online events (or whatever sum it takes to get Serral to play), and crowdfund on a per-tournament basis.
Someone willing to try organize semi-PayPerView tournament, even $2 per user can generate some revenue. And put open stream with 1-2 hour delay.
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On April 05 2025 06:34 kajtarp wrote:
I'm personally quite enraged they didn't let us crowdfund it. I'm not sure how much money these tournaments costed though, but i'm sure something reasonable could have been worked out.
While the community of Starcraft is incredibly supportive - shown over and over again - no amount of love of the community could raise the capital needed to run offline major events, support the prizemoney, work behind the scenes, venues and more.
We are talking 7 figures at least and since businesses cannot take charity it would be seen as income which is taxed. There really is no crowdfunding such a big circuit.
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On April 05 2025 04:05 Antithesis wrote:
Yes, absolutely. I had the same thought the other day.
Actually, too many places to donate to are one of the reasons why I haven't donated much yet. I want to support HSC, but also PigSty, and also Wardi, and so on. A central SC2 crowdsourcing platform would be great.
You absolutely have the power to donate a small amount to each one instead of doing next to nothing.
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And they have a reputation, they cannot put up a crappy product just because the community money didn't pour in.
esl -starcraft was awesome, I rly hope we see a return someday in a game that is not too dissimilar, or who knows sc2 could get a resurrection, just see wc3.
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On April 05 2025 08:01 ejozl wrote:
And they have a reputation, they cannot put up a crappy product just because the community money didn't pour in.
esl -starcraft was awesome, I rly hope we see a return someday in a game that is not too dissimilar, or who knows sc2 could get a resurrection, just see wc3.
Tbf crowdfunding worked out really really well with Dota2 that was valve handling it who arent also known for taking charity but they it for their official tournament anyways.
They had stupidly hyped and big events because of it although they stopped doing it recently cause the game wasnt their focus iirc.
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On April 05 2025 01:52 Devangel wrote:
The farewell video on youtube was posted by esl on 19th of Dec and was hidden till today’s publication. So the decision was made earlier than that.
One may wonder why it took extra 3 month to announce it. Is there a chance another company would pick SC2 circuit going forward? If not then what was the reason of such a late announcement…
How do you see that? It says a few hours ago on Youtube for me.
I can't see anything in metadatas either.
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This was sad, but not unexpected. Good games everyone. Also, I think if BW and WC3 can have resurgences, it's easy to imagine SC2 living to see more days in the sunshine.
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It's been great to grow up alongside SC2. Many fond memories have been formed and will stay with me for the rest of my life. Thank-you SC2 community!
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The agony has been so long, I would have preferred it to happen sooner
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Thanks for supporting the game for as long as you did. Sad day, but as others have already pointed out at this point not really unexpected. All good things come to an end, after all.
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Big Thank you to ESL and everyone who participated to this incredible journey. I'm not sure I can see a business running so long just with the power of passionate people like I've seen with this game. I'm sad but grateful at the same time that we could enjoy such quality content on this amazing game despite the small size (but very devoted) of its community.
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