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Northern Ireland25933 Posts
On March 25 2024 04:51 Mizenhauer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2024 03:52 Die4Ever wrote:
you forgot to mention that NesTea is the only player to win a GSL with a perfect record
and he was the first to win the "NesTea Award", playing in 10 Code S seasons in a row (back when this was difficult) This got cut from the longer article, but you are correct. Winning Code S without a single loss is one of the most impressive achievements in StarCraft history.
Absolutely up there, I wonder what other folks would stick up in terms of a single tournament achievement. Ofc if we’re talking a non-singular tournament run you’ve got Maru’s 4-peat and feats such as that.
Taeja almost solo carrying TL to IPL TAC has got to be up there for me, while he still ultimately failed.
Serral’s recent Katowice run was absolutely insane
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On March 25 2024 07:02 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2024 04:51 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 25 2024 03:52 Die4Ever wrote:
you forgot to mention that NesTea is the only player to win a GSL with a perfect record
and he was the first to win the "NesTea Award", playing in 10 Code S seasons in a row (back when this was difficult) This got cut from the longer article, but you are correct. Winning Code S without a single loss is one of the most impressive achievements in StarCraft history. Absolutely up there, I wonder what other folks would stick up in terms of a single tournament achievement. Ofc if we’re talking a non-singular tournament run you’ve got Maru’s 4-peat and feats such as that. Taeja almost solo carrying TL to IPL TAC has got to be up there for me, while he still ultimately failed. Serral’s recent Katowice run was absolutely insane
There's an interesting trivia regarding Zest's 2016 Season 1 win. Zest went 19-3 in that season. If you look at the five seasons that preceded it, the champion lost (starting with 2014 Season 2) 11, 10, 11, 6 and 6 games respectively. If you look at the five that followed it the champion lost 7,11,6,13 and 10 games respectively. That season is often overlooked now that eight years have passed, but Zest's 3 loss campaign was a complete aberration.
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On March 25 2024 07:02 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2024 04:51 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 25 2024 03:52 Die4Ever wrote:
you forgot to mention that NesTea is the only player to win a GSL with a perfect record
and he was the first to win the "NesTea Award", playing in 10 Code S seasons in a row (back when this was difficult) This got cut from the longer article, but you are correct. Winning Code S without a single loss is one of the most impressive achievements in StarCraft history. Absolutely up there, I wonder what other folks would stick up in terms of a single tournament achievement. Ofc if we’re talking a non-singular tournament run you’ve got Maru’s 4-peat and feats such as that. Taeja almost solo carrying TL to IPL TAC has got to be up there for me, while he still ultimately failed. Serral’s recent Katowice run was absolutely insane
Speaking of Taeja, he's one of the only players winning a tournament (a dreamhack where he played in the finals vs Innovation iirc) without dropping a game, just like Nestea and code S.
I wonder how many players achieved that actually
E: ah nevermind, the dreamhack in question he was only undefeated in playoffs 
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Compilation of "incredible tournament stretches in SC2 history" mentioned in the thread and a few others
Single tournament stretch:
Nestea's perfect Code S run in 2011 GSL July, map score 13-0
Taeja's rampage through IPL TAC 3 loser's bracket, singlehandedly carried TL through 3 best teams at the time in StarTale, MVP and IM, map score 16-1 (the players he defeated here could almost make up an entire Code S ro.16, absolutely wild)
Taeja's 2013 Dreamhack Bucharest perfect playoff run, map score 9-0
Zest's Code S title run in 2016 GSL S1, map score 19-3
Serral's 2022 IEM Katowice title run, map score 20-4
Serral's 2023 Master's Coliseum 7 playoff run, map score 15-1
Serral's 2024 IEM Katowice title run, map score 20-1
Longer stretch:
soO's 4 straight GSL Code S finals apperance
Maru's 4 straight GSL Code S title
Serral's 9 month invincible offline stretch (2018 June to 2019 March), winning 3 WCS 1 Blizzcon 1 Homestory on the way, 46-0 in matches score
Life won 5 straight premier titles in 5 months span (2012 October - 2013 March), including Code S, Blizzard Cup, Iron Squid II, and two MLGs
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Speaking of extremely impressive tournament runs, I am also interested to find out all the instances of "winning a premier tournament despite being the only player of the race in ro.8", this is actually quite rare and are great examples of player defying balance meta
DRG in 2012 GSL S1
Taeja in Homestory Cup 7
Taeja in 2014 Dreamhack Summer
Life in 2013 MLG Winter
Life in 2014 Blizzcon
Maru in 2018 GSL S1
Trap in 2021 Last Chance
Honorable mention to herO's 2022 GSL S2, it changed the format so there's no ro.8, but herO is the only Protoss in ro.6 playoffs
I am sure I missed some. I honestly expect more from Maru given his "the fourth race" nickname.
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On March 25 2024 08:42 Amoyu7 wrote:
Speaking of extremely impressive tournament runs, I am also interested to find out all the instances of "winning a premier tournament despite being the only player of the race in ro.8", this is actually quite rare and are great examples of player defying balance meta
DRG in 2012 GSL S1
Taeja in Homestory Cup 7
Taeja in 2014 Dreamhack Summer
Life in 2013 MLG Winter
Life in 2014 Blizzcon
Maru in 2018 GSL S1
Trap in 2021 Last Chance
Honorable mention to herO's 2022 GSL S2, it changed the format so there's no ro.8, but herO is the only Protoss in ro.6 playoffs
I am sure I missed some. I honestly expect more from Maru given his "the fourth race" nickname.
Because it's not just about tournament wins, it's also about placement
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On March 25 2024 02:54 Nakajin wrote:We broke Miz A bit disappointed in the community response tbh, hopefully we can all chill a little. Thanks for the work!
yup. its sad. an addendum shouldnt have even have had to be written but the community is too but hurt.
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Well, we all appreciate your effort Miz. We know that such a big work can't be done easily. We know that you spent much time collecting data and analysing. We know that you witnessed lots of empressing moments and hoped to share them with us through these articles.
But forgive us. It's difficult to keep smiling face when the meal tasted weird, especially after hearing that the meal would been the biggest meal I ever had.
Whatever, thanks for your work. Enjoy your vacation.
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On March 25 2024 03:48 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2024 02:54 Nakajin wrote:We broke Miz A bit disappointed in the community response to the work tbh, hopefully we can all chill a little. Thanks for the work! Yeah, honestly a bit baffled why people react so emotional about it, it's just a list about players being good at a videogame. On one hand it's great I guess that people are still this passionate/invested, on the other hand it brought really the worst out of this community. Like imaging flaming /attacking someone because he ranks player x above player y in a videogame, it's honestly hard to understand what's going on in the brain of someone who does this.
LOL, as If you hadnt had your fair share of flaming and passionately defending Maru in every turn left and right !
Btw, I do not hold that as a bad thing, and your posts have become much more reasonable nowadays compared to past.
Imo its just good that there are still lots of people that are genuinely interested and passionate about a game that the company has deserted years ago. I would be much more worried if there would be like 5 responses with "Ok, good list." or something. I agree that some of the flame/hate has gone overboard and prolly Miz is drowning in PM:s as well, which is of course not cool at all.
But all in all, what does one realistically expect from doing this list ? Its the most talked about (yeah, sadly) topic after each and one bigger tournament still after 14 years. The list is particularly interesting, because you can have different opinions about it while not being wrong. It has this narrative with once unbeatable Koreans against the always underdogs from outside Korea. Also it has a long history behind it, which many of us have followed from the start of SC2. In 9 days, the two last names of this list have gathered over 700 comments here on this site, propably many many more on Reddit, Youtube, Twitch and other platforms. That imo is pretty good for a "dead game".
And Miz, try to keep your holidays and do not open internet or at least TL.net for a while. Gl & Hf, you have deserved it 
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On March 25 2024 10:24 Starcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2024 03:48 Charoisaur wrote:On March 25 2024 02:54 Nakajin wrote:We broke Miz A bit disappointed in the community response to the work tbh, hopefully we can all chill a little. Thanks for the work! Yeah, honestly a bit baffled why people react so emotional about it, it's just a list about players being good at a videogame. On one hand it's great I guess that people are still this passionate/invested, on the other hand it brought really the worst out of this community. Like imaging flaming /attacking someone because he ranks player x above player y in a videogame, it's honestly hard to understand what's going on in the brain of someone who does this. LOL, as If you hadnt had your fair share of flaming and passionately defending Maru in every turn left and right ! Btw, I do not hold that as a bad thing, and your posts have become much more reasonable nowadays compared to past. Imo its just good that there are still lots of people that are genuinely interested and passionate about a game that the company has deserted years ago. I would be much more worried if there would be like 5 responses with "Ok, good list." or something. I agree that some of the flame/hate has gone overboard and prolly Miz is drowning in PM:s as well, which is of course not cool at all. But all in all, what does one realistically expect from doing this list ? Its the most talked about (yeah, sadly) topic after each and one bigger tournament still after 14 years. The list is particularly interesting, because you can have different opinions about it while not being wrong. It has this narrative with once unbeatable Koreans against the always underdogs from outside Korea. Also it has a long history behind it, which many of us have followed from the start of SC2. In 9 days, the two last names of this list have gathered over 700 comments here on this site, propably many many more on Reddit, Youtube, Twitch and other platforms. That imo is pretty good for a "dead game". And Miz, try to keep your holidays and do not open internet or at least TL.net for a while. Gl & Hf, you have deserved it
The day when someone put out a GOAT list and the comments are all "cool list thanks for the effort" is the day when sc2 community truly died. This level of passionate debate and discussion is a good sign for engaging community. The toxicity here is nothing compared to soccer or basketball GOAT debates.
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The day when someone put out a GOAT list and the comments are all "cool list thanks for the effort" is the day when sc2 community truly died.
This is likely what is going to happen if Miz had put Serral at no.1, because most people are not here for healthy discussions and debates they just want to see their favorite player at the top.
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Northern Ireland25933 Posts
There’s been plenty of irritating fanboyism but I’d say that’s the minority, at least in terms of post volume it not number of posters. Have enjoyed plenty of the discussions with knowledgeable and passionate fans of the game
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Dude, your rankings are the best thing that has happened to SC2 for a long time. The internet will always be full of angry neckbeards, don't let it get to you.
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On March 25 2024 08:42 Amoyu7 wrote:
Speaking of extremely impressive tournament runs, I am also interested to find out all the instances of "winning a premier tournament despite being the only player of the race in ro.8", this is actually quite rare and are great examples of player defying balance meta
DRG in 2012 GSL S1
Taeja in Homestory Cup 7
Taeja in 2014 Dreamhack Summer
Life in 2013 MLG Winter
Life in 2014 Blizzcon
Maru in 2018 GSL S1
Trap in 2021 Last Chance
Honorable mention to herO's 2022 GSL S2, it changed the format so there's no ro.8, but herO is the only Protoss in ro.6 playoffs
I am sure I missed some. I honestly expect more from Maru given his "the fourth race" nickname.
you forgot Maru at WESG
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On March 25 2024 08:28 Amoyu7 wrote:
Serral's 9 month invincible offline stretch (2018 June to 2019 March), winning 3 WCS 1 Blizzcon 1 Homestory on the way, 46-0 in matches score
Holy shit, really??
Also, that's a lot of Taeja names I see 
On March 25 2024 08:42 Amoyu7 wrote:
I am sure I missed some.
Yep, don't forget FRUITDEALER!!! The OG player to do it!
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I just want to say i thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts - it has greatly enhanced my daily experience over the last months! Please don't feel down, I understand the criticism is harsh and a lot, but hey, people are still passionate about sc2 at least! I think you'd still prefer this response to 1 or 2 pages of "nice post" kind of responses, in my imagination at least.
Again, thanks for your hard work and the nostalgia trip, well written!! now enjoy your vacation
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Thanks Miz for the list, at the very least, you got us remembering the past years of this amazing esports and revisiting cool moments of SC2 history. At the very best, you generated a ton of content and debate around our beloved game.
Ignore the trolls plz.
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Thanks for clarifying dark's position.
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On March 25 2024 07:24 Mizenhauer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2024 07:02 WombaT wrote:On March 25 2024 04:51 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 25 2024 03:52 Die4Ever wrote:
you forgot to mention that NesTea is the only player to win a GSL with a perfect record
and he was the first to win the "NesTea Award", playing in 10 Code S seasons in a row (back when this was difficult) This got cut from the longer article, but you are correct. Winning Code S without a single loss is one of the most impressive achievements in StarCraft history. Absolutely up there, I wonder what other folks would stick up in terms of a single tournament achievement. Ofc if we’re talking a non-singular tournament run you’ve got Maru’s 4-peat and feats such as that. Taeja almost solo carrying TL to IPL TAC has got to be up there for me, while he still ultimately failed. Serral’s recent Katowice run was absolutely insane There's an interesting trivia regarding Zest's 2016 Season 1 win. Zest went 19-3 in that season. If you look at the five seasons that preceded it, the champion lost (starting with 2014 Season 2) 11, 10, 11, 6 and 6 games respectively. If you look at the five that followed it the champion lost 7,11,6,13 and 10 games respectively. That season is often overlooked now that eight years have passed, but Zest's 3 loss campaign was a complete aberration.
Including Code A, Zest went 22-1. And it's worth including Code A because he beat Maru who many said was the number 1 terran at the time
It's probably the worth bracket luck of all time for Maru. Facing the world's best player in Code A cost him what would have been a streak of 30+ Code S appearances in a row.
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On March 25 2024 08:42 Amoyu7 wrote:
Speaking of extremely impressive tournament runs, I am also interested to find out all the instances of "winning a premier tournament despite being the only player of the race in ro.8", this is actually quite rare and are great examples of player defying balance meta
DRG in 2012 GSL S1
Taeja in Homestory Cup 7
Taeja in 2014 Dreamhack Summer
Life in 2013 MLG Winter
Life in 2014 Blizzcon
Maru in 2018 GSL S1
Trap in 2021 Last Chance
Honorable mention to herO's 2022 GSL S2, it changed the format so there's no ro.8, but herO is the only Protoss in ro.6 playoffs
I am sure I missed some. I honestly expect more from Maru given his "the fourth race" nickname.
Maru won WESG as the only terran as well.
But he got the name "The Fourth Race" due to his performance in 2013 season 3, and 2014 seasons 1/2. He didn't quite win but he was making ro4s/ro8s when terran was otherwise extinct, and more importantly he did it off the back of TvP which was the reason terrans were losing immediately
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