EPT#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time - Page 3
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Ronski
Finland266 Posts
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rextor92
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My only comment is: LMAO | ||
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Nasigil
137 Posts
Serral holds a lopsided h2h record against all the top players in GSL, including dominating by far the best GSL player that is Maru. It's the GSL title itself that has a asterisk now, because these players had it easy by not needing to play the best player in the world, not the other way around. Serral doesn't need to play GSL to prove himself. If a South American country wins the World Cup multiple times over European countries in dominant fashion, it'd be hilarious to argue that the they are still not the best team in the world because they never competes in UEFA Euro. Maru ranks higher on GOAT list because he has a longer career and competes on top level much longer than Serral. Not because he has more Code S and Serral doesn't. If we are just comparing LotV achievement, then Serral is easily the LotV GOAT. | ||
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MyLovelyLurker
France756 Posts
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luxon
United States117 Posts
it's a shame we banned life, who had the most potential out of any player in sc2 history. he was 2017 serral if serral was also 14 at the time. talent unlike anything i've ever seen.. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1865 Posts
On March 16 2024 10:48 Ronski wrote: It's nice when Maru can't beat Serral in SC2 he can at least get some recognition in the forums for his regional achievements. its the greatest OF ALL TIME. not who is in the best condition now or these days. peak maru was GOAT and he's been at the top level for much much longer. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13991 Posts
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tigera6
3465 Posts
On March 16 2024 10:12 MyLovelyLurker wrote: This. I'm kinda screaming false dichotomy at this point. Maru can be GCOAT (greatest career of all time) with Serral GOAT. Well done to both of you for a great series with such a high standard of writing, and well done to Maru, Serral, and the others for being in our hearts and weaving our dreams for so long. GOAT does mean who had the best career, not just the highest peak, nor the longest career, nor the most championship. Its about all of those factors combined and weighted. | ||
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catplanetcatplanet
3833 Posts
On March 16 2024 09:43 weyoun wrote: what a clown joke list, lost all respect even without winning katowice , serral was nr 1 since years, and its not even close clear case of overrating gsl ( a local small tournament where you dont even have to face serral ) in this resume he almost only talks about gsl all the other even bigger global tournaments where you actualy have to face all the players are of course worth significant less marus performance globaly , his winrates on the international stage are pathetic compared to serral if you ask 10 pro player 9/10 would say serral is the goat if you do sports betting on sc2 tournaments there are a few sides , dont know if i am allowed to mention those here, i cant remember any tournament since 2018 where you did get less money if you put your money on serral winning than on maru, those betting sides live to make money , they dont throw money away serral alligulac elo rating , is so for ahead , he is in his own league its of the chart like if magnus carson would have even 100 more elo than the rest maru has multiple clear leakes in his game , serral does not lambo and other have explained them multiple times you could go on and on , but actualy since its not even close you dont have to great post, there were like 12 things that cracked me up here | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
Anyway proper salute to Miz, you have done the hardest work and it’s been an absolute pleasure following along these articles. Can’t wait for the “honorable mentions” part, I want to see Stats and Dark. | ||
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MyLovelyLurker
France756 Posts
On March 16 2024 11:12 tigera6 wrote: GOAT does mean who had the best career, not just the highest peak, nor the longest career, nor the most championship. Its about all of those factors combined and weighted. This is self-evidently true. And unlike factual results, the weightings are subjective, as Miz himself says. So ? | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19307 Posts
On March 16 2024 09:21 Fango wrote: - 10+ years of being a champion, longer than anyone else - The biggest outlier of any player within their race, and the best performing player during bad balance - The best Proleague player - The best Starleague player by a gargantuan margin - More ro4+ finishes in World Championships than anyone else Maru has as many Starleague trophies as 7 of the other 9 players on this list, Rain, TY, sOs, soO, Zest, INnoVation, and Serral, COMBINED. Even for the only weak point in his legacy (no World Championship), he still has more ro4s at them than any other player. Which is an achievement in itself. If you put recency bias aside, it was never really a question that Maru would be number 1. Serral is the best weekender player of all time, but of the 3 competitive formats (Starleague, Teamleague, Weekender) Maru was the best in two of them, and still has historic achievements in the 3rd. Serral has the best better career winrates, but Maru has equally untouchable stats in Proleague and Starleagues. Not to mention more volume overall. And Serral never had to fight the balance of the game, let alone beat it like Maru did. Side note: he also probably has the longest highlight real of any player. You could make an entire playlist of games where he wouldn't have been judged for typing GG in the first 5 minutes but decided to win anyway. Nailed it! | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19307 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45285 Posts
On March 16 2024 08:33 Itsxjoeyy wrote: This whole list just became invalidated. On March 16 2024 08:48 slowlyfalling wrote: This must be a joke. These tears are hilarious. Congrats to Maru! The greatest of all time! And great list, Mizenhauer  | ||
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AxiomB
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
I've constructed the story in my head so that it all revolves around our one true king, Sos. He denied the narrative conclusion to Maru's 2018 by pushing him down a well, then immediately jumping after him, leaving Serral to be crowned greatest player in the world essentially by default and the entire StarCraft community was blueballed as a result. In his last and greatest act of StarCraft 2 trolling, trickster god Sos "u mad, bro"ed the world, and GOAT arguments are just a reminder that yes, we mad. That's how I'm choosing to remember it, and not a one of you can stop me. | ||
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Comedy
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Maestro85
Australia30 Posts
On March 16 2024 11:38 AxiomB wrote: I liken Maru to Federer and Serral to Djokovic. Yes Serral more than often not beats Maru, just as Djokovic more than often not beat Federer, but Maru has won almost as much as Serral and many in an era when the competition and game itself was at an all time high. There is also the 'Zerg Caveat' (Zerg being the race with the most broken units; banelings + cracklings). Maru just like Federer however has had the longest time at number 1 also. I can see arguments for either being number 1. GREAT write ups! Much appreciated! This is an excellent analogy and i agree with the sentiment (as well as Z having advantages that T and P do not) however Djokovic has spent more time than anyone as world No.1. And it is significantly more than Fed who has spent the 2nd longest time as No.1. Federer and Nadal would be a better comparison but that would have to ignore the existence of Djokovic | ||
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Kitai
United States880 Posts
On March 16 2024 11:41 Fanatic-Templar wrote: I love the bitter rivalry between Serral and Maru fans. Unlike the rivalry between the actual players, it never disappoints. I've constructed the story in my head so that it all revolves around our one true king, Sos. He denied the narrative conclusion to Maru's 2018 by pushing him down a well, then immediately jumping after him, leaving Serral to be crowned greatest player in the world essentially by default and the entire StarCraft community was blueballed as a result. In his last and greatest act of StarCraft 2 trolling, trickster god Sos "u mad, bro"ed the world, and GOAT arguments are just a reminder that yes, we mad. That's how I'm choosing to remember it, and not a one of you can stop me. Don't forget WESG the next year when Serral and Maru were on opposite sides of the Ro4 and the entire scene was on the edge of their seats waiting for the greatest grand finals of all time, only to have INnoVation beat them both. And to think people say Rogue is the anti-hero! | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1476 Posts
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