• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:02
CEST 06:02
KST 13:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall9HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China2Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL63Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?13FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event22Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster16
StarCraft 2
General
Program: SC2 / XSplit / OBS Scene Switcher The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Statistics for vetoed/disliked maps Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form? PiG Sty Festival #5: Playoffs Preview + Groups Recap
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays Korean Starcraft League Week 77
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
SC uni coach streams logging into betting site Player “Jedi” cheat on CSL Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL BW General Discussion Practice Partners (Official)
Tourneys
CSL Xiamen International Invitational [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2025! Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Blogs
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 693 users

#5: INnoVation - Greatest Players of All Time - Page 14

Forum Index > SC2 General
274 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 12 13 14 All
Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
February 17 2024 11:20 GMT
#261
I don't see like quantized top 10, or top 5 of GOATS. For me it seems more fair to establish a league of great, legendary players, which could consists of 13, or 16 players or whatever else, but it is impossible to lock it on Top 10. I am personally Rain fan, but I will make a crime if I just put Rain in top 10 and leave MC in "honoraable mentions" out of 10. And if we put MVP, we also cannot eliminate Nestea just like that. They all have a speciall place in this League of the greatest.
Oz; MMA; Rain; sOs; Classic, Soulkey, TY, Dark
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1847 Posts
February 17 2024 12:05 GMT
#262
On February 17 2024 20:20 Veluvian wrote:
I don't see like quantized top 10, or top 5 of GOATS. For me it seems more fair to establish a league of great, legendary players, which could consists of 13, or 16 players or whatever else, but it is impossible to lock it on Top 10. I am personally Rain fan, but I will make a crime if I just put Rain in top 10 and leave MC in "honoraable mentions" out of 10. And if we put MVP, we also cannot eliminate Nestea just like that. They all have a speciall place in this League of the greatest.


People just like to use 10 or 5 because that's the convention when it comes to these sorts of things. I personally did a deep dive on 15 candidates and have extended my rankings out past the top 20, but I'll be going into the near misses etc once the series is done.
┗|∵|┓Second Place in LB 28, Third Place in LB 29 and Destined to Be a Kong
Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil259 Posts
February 18 2024 20:20 GMT
#263
On February 17 2024 21:05 Mizenhauer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2024 20:20 Veluvian wrote:
I don't see like quantized top 10, or top 5 of GOATS. For me it seems more fair to establish a league of great, legendary players, which could consists of 13, or 16 players or whatever else, but it is impossible to lock it on Top 10. I am personally Rain fan, but I will make a crime if I just put Rain in top 10 and leave MC in "honoraable mentions" out of 10. And if we put MVP, we also cannot eliminate Nestea just like that. They all have a speciall place in this League of the greatest.


People just like to use 10 or 5 because that's the convention when it comes to these sorts of things. I personally did a deep dive on 15 candidates and have extended my rankings out past the top 20, but I'll be going into the near misses etc once the series is done.


Yea.. leaving Mvp or Dark is hard
Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil259 Posts
February 18 2024 20:20 GMT
#264
Wheres #4 please?

The past few nights i couldnt even sleep straight cus of the waiting. hlpme
FFXthebest
Profile Joined February 2024
75 Posts
February 19 2024 00:32 GMT
#265
On February 19 2024 05:20 Locutos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2024 21:05 Mizenhauer wrote:
On February 17 2024 20:20 Veluvian wrote:
I don't see like quantized top 10, or top 5 of GOATS. For me it seems more fair to establish a league of great, legendary players, which could consists of 13, or 16 players or whatever else, but it is impossible to lock it on Top 10. I am personally Rain fan, but I will make a crime if I just put Rain in top 10 and leave MC in "honoraable mentions" out of 10. And if we put MVP, we also cannot eliminate Nestea just like that. They all have a speciall place in this League of the greatest.


People just like to use 10 or 5 because that's the convention when it comes to these sorts of things. I personally did a deep dive on 15 candidates and have extended my rankings out past the top 20, but I'll be going into the near misses etc once the series is done.


Yea.. leaving Mvp or Dark is hard


MC and Nestea > MvP. ( ya I said it)

Those 2 won almost as much as mvp during WOL when terran was clearly the stronger race and most of the maps were terran favoured
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25045 Posts
February 19 2024 00:35 GMT
#266
On February 19 2024 09:32 FFXthebest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2024 05:20 Locutos wrote:
On February 17 2024 21:05 Mizenhauer wrote:
On February 17 2024 20:20 Veluvian wrote:
I don't see like quantized top 10, or top 5 of GOATS. For me it seems more fair to establish a league of great, legendary players, which could consists of 13, or 16 players or whatever else, but it is impossible to lock it on Top 10. I am personally Rain fan, but I will make a crime if I just put Rain in top 10 and leave MC in "honoraable mentions" out of 10. And if we put MVP, we also cannot eliminate Nestea just like that. They all have a speciall place in this League of the greatest.


People just like to use 10 or 5 because that's the convention when it comes to these sorts of things. I personally did a deep dive on 15 candidates and have extended my rankings out past the top 20, but I'll be going into the near misses etc once the series is done.


Yea.. leaving Mvp or Dark is hard


MC and Nestea > MvP. ( ya I said it)

Those 2 won almost as much as mvp during WOL when terran was clearly the stronger race and most of the maps were terran favoured

Nope, not having it :p
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
February 19 2024 00:58 GMT
#267
On February 19 2024 09:32 FFXthebest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2024 05:20 Locutos wrote:
On February 17 2024 21:05 Mizenhauer wrote:
On February 17 2024 20:20 Veluvian wrote:
I don't see like quantized top 10, or top 5 of GOATS. For me it seems more fair to establish a league of great, legendary players, which could consists of 13, or 16 players or whatever else, but it is impossible to lock it on Top 10. I am personally Rain fan, but I will make a crime if I just put Rain in top 10 and leave MC in "honoraable mentions" out of 10. And if we put MVP, we also cannot eliminate Nestea just like that. They all have a speciall place in this League of the greatest.


People just like to use 10 or 5 because that's the convention when it comes to these sorts of things. I personally did a deep dive on 15 candidates and have extended my rankings out past the top 20, but I'll be going into the near misses etc once the series is done.


Yea.. leaving Mvp or Dark is hard


MC and Nestea > MvP. ( ya I said it)

Those 2 won almost as much as mvp during WOL when terran was clearly the stronger race and most of the maps were terran favoured

That's not true at all. They almost won as much as Mvp...in GSL. In 2011. They don't have a fraction of Mvp's international results, and never did as well in GSL in 2012. MC made the finals but got swept, whereas Mvp made two finals and won one, and made it to G7 in the one he lost.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-19 01:38:56
February 19 2024 01:38 GMT
#268
On February 19 2024 05:20 Locutos wrote:
Wheres #4 please?

The past few nights i couldnt even sleep straight cus of the waiting. hlpme


I took off from work this whole week so I could spend as much time commenting on #4 as possible

+ Show Spoiler +
this is a joke but the passion is real
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
February 19 2024 02:16 GMT
#269
What if Miz just ghosts us, leaves it at #5, knowing they forked up by leaving Rogue, Dark, Mvp, Maru, and Serral with only 4 left.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6889 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-19 10:02:02
February 19 2024 10:01 GMT
#270
Where is part #4 ?
Can't stand the suspension anymore
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil259 Posts
February 19 2024 11:03 GMT
#271
On February 19 2024 11:16 Blargh wrote:
What if Miz just ghosts us, leaves it at #5, knowing they forked up by leaving Rogue, Dark, Mvp, Maru, and Serral with only 4 left.


THAT would be twist. Not even George R.R. Martin would've done that
youaremysin
Profile Joined August 2015
119 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-19 12:43:22
February 19 2024 12:42 GMT
#272
oh
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1847 Posts
February 19 2024 15:05 GMT
#273
(Wiki)soon
┗|∵|┓Second Place in LB 28, Third Place in LB 29 and Destined to Be a Kong
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
February 19 2024 15:27 GMT
#274
On February 19 2024 11:16 Blargh wrote:
What if Miz just ghosts us, leaves it at #5, knowing they forked up by leaving Rogue, Dark, Mvp, Maru, and Serral with only 4 left.

What if Miz just adds an extra rank called GOAT? Then there'll be space! Also, think of all the drama. It'd be glorious.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25045 Posts
February 19 2024 18:49 GMT
#275
The real GOAT is the friends we made along the way
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Prev 1 12 13 14 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 58m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 268
ROOTCatZ 107
ProTech60
Ketroc 28
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 316
Noble 48
Shine 32
Mind 19
ajuk12(nOOB) 15
Icarus 7
Bale 5
Dota 2
monkeys_forever1224
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1133
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King100
Other Games
summit1g9224
ViBE247
Maynarde151
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick40998
BasetradeTV96
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH298
• Hupsaiya 62
• practicex 27
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki37
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1217
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
6h 58m
Replay Cast
19h 58m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 5h
WardiTV European League
1d 11h
MaNa vs sebesdes
Mixu vs Fjant
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
ShoWTimE vs goblin
Gerald vs Babymarine
Krystianer vs YoungYakov
PiGosaur Monday
1d 19h
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV European League
2 days
Jumy vs NightPhoenix
Percival vs Nicoract
ArT vs HiGhDrA
MaxPax vs Harstem
Scarlett vs Shameless
SKillous vs uThermal
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs Reynor
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Cure
FEL
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
FEL
5 days
FEL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
FEL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 20
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSL Xiamen Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.