• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:41
CET 12:41
KST 20:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT20Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0224LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker16
StarCraft 2
General
Terran Scanner Sweep ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Team League Season 10
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
Ladder maps - how we can make blizz update them? Gypsy to Korea TvZ is the most complete match up BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Brood War inspired Terran vs Zerg cinematic – feed
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile Diablo 2 thread Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2522 users

Code S RO16 Preview - GuMiho, soO, herO, Classic

Forum Index > SC2 General
4 CommentsPost a Reply

Code S RO16 Preview - GuMiho, soO, herO, Classic

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
October 18th, 2023 17:21 GMT

2023 GSL Code S Season 3

RO16 Group D Preview: GuMiho, soO, herO, Classic

Start time: Thursday, Oct 19 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

by Mizenhauer

With six of the eight slots in the second round of Code S already set in stone, GuMiho, soO, herO, and Classic face off for the chance to compete in a Maru-less RO8. With the massive favorite out of the way, the championship picture is wide open—something the two surviving members of Group D will get a chance to take advantage of.

More info: GSL Code S Season 3 on Liquipedia

ForherO, the autumn edition of Code S is his final chance to transform an exceedingly fallow year into one worth remembering.

The most curious thing about herO’s current predicament is that he finds himself desperately in need of 'recapturing his championship form' for a second time. Before herO's return from the military, ByuN was the gold standard when it came to success by a "returnee." Even though BYuN had never reached the finals of a Liquipedia premier-tier event, he had played at a very high level online and had won the major-tier ASUS ROG Online 2020 tournament against world class players.

herO made his (re)debut in August of 2021, and within 12 months, he blew past ByuN's mark by winning the Code S championship in Season 2 of 2022. Even now, we might underrate just how incredible an accomplishment that was for a post-military player. The latter half of 2022 suggested it was no flash in the pan, as herO recorded a top four finish in Code S Season 3 and went on to win a major international championship at DreamHack: Atlanta.

However, things took an abrupt turn for the worst in 2023. Things began fairly well, as he finished in the top four of IEM Katowice. With the world championship within sight, herO became an unfortunate victim of Oliveira as he went on literally the greatest underdog run in StarCraft II history. It looked like a freak loss at the time, but herO didn't bounce back like the other players who got caught in Oliveira's warpath.

Quite brutally put, herO has become a second tier player since being eliminated in Poland. He still ranks among the best performing players in online cups and team tournaments, and he has a top 5 placement in the Aligulac.com rankings to show for it. However, none of that matters in the face of his dismal showings in big tournaments. Since IEM Katowice, herO has only made it to the RO8 or higher in two out of five premier-tier events he competed in. The low point was ESL Masters Summer/Jonkoping, where he failed to make it out of the open bracket as a massive favorite.

Headed into the final Code S Season of the year, his 4-5 match record in the first two seasons doesn't reflect kindly on his chances. He may survive this group yet, but there are serious doubts on whether he could go any further. Since Katowice, he's 0-4 in offline matches against Solar, Dark, and Cure—the three top contenders remaining. The biggest hope for herO is that a year ago, he defied what people thought were insurmountable odds by winning Code S as a military returnee. Compared to that, shouldn't recovering from a slump be easy?

Due to his fantastic online play, Aligulac still gives herO great odds of advancing from the group at nearly 90%. However, Aligulac doesn’t have a metric for “chance to cause pure, unbridled chaos,” because if they did, GuMiho's score would be off the charts.

The Towel Teran looks a lot like the version of himself that beat soO in the finals of Code S Season 2 in the summer of 2017. The first two years of his post-military career were largely mediocre, save a singular top four Code S run in 2022, and a few memorable games here and there. But, just as it was in 2017, this summer has been kind to GuMiho. First he traveled to Jönköping, where he finished second at ESL Masters Summer and even gave the seemingly invincible Serral a run for his money. While he couldn't take down the Finnish Phenom, GuMiho thoroughly impressed by logging victories over Maru, Cure and Solar. He followed that up with a top four run in Code S, getting quality wins against Creator, Maru and Solar along the way. There's a reverse-herO quality to all this—GuMiho is not a stellar day-to-day player in smaller competitions, but he shows up to play in big matches.

Despite this growing momentum, the specific match-ups in Group D threaten to hit the brakes on GuMiho. He's a peculiar Terran in this day and age whose TvP is actually his weakest match-up, with most of his wins against top players coming in TvZ and TvT. Indeed, his TvP Aligulac rating is some 200 points behind his other match-ups (translation for the non-stats nerds: a lot, but not A LOT), and he's a combined 19-32 in matches against Korean Protosses since that great run at ESL Masters Summer. If one only tallies GuMiho’s record against groupmates Classic and herO, he's 3-14 in that period—not great, Bob.

This is pretty bad news for GuMiho, who will very likely need to take out at least one Protoss to advance to the next stage. Even though GuMiho is far and away the best player in the group when it comes to recent results, this bad match-up draw could spell his doom.

Following the theme for the group, Group D’s third player Classic also finds himself in an interesting career situation. While he's been overshadowed by GuMiho as of late, Classic has also achieved a major breakthrough in 2023 After spending most of his post-military career mired as low/mid-tier player, he became much more relevant in 2023 with top eight finishes at ESL Masters Summer and Gamers8. Of course, success is a relative metric—he still looks quite outmatched when he runs into the true championship contenders. Thus, he's an embodiment of the present day Protoss paradox, where he's somehow simultaneously a top three Protoss player in Korea and a little disappointing at the same time.

Amusingly enough, Aligulac and Afreeca agree when it comes to his place in the Korean hierarchy: Aligulac ranks him as the eighth best player in the country, while his GSL points put him somewhere between ninth and 12th. That puts him right on the cutoff to make the RO8, which feels just about right. Aligulac gives him about a 45% chance of advancing, which would have been higher if he hadn't drawn a tough first match against herO. As the favorite against soO and GuMiho, he could still advance if he doesn't drop the ball.

Finally, there's soO, who must be pleased to simply return to Code S after missing out on Seasons 1 & 2 and earn the minimum $1,000-ish payout (assuming the crowdfunding spread is reasonably even). While that assessment might sound harsh, soO just doesn’t spend enough time playing StarCraft II at this stage of his career to be anything more than an occasional Code S participant. His Aligulac Korea rank of 18th feels right on the money for a player who qualified for one out of three Code S tournaments this year, and unsurprisingly, the stats website only gives him around a 14% chance of advancing from this group.

soO will surely welcome the chance to play a few more offline matches for a live audience. For foreign fans (or maybe only speaking for myself), it’s always a good time. One of my favorite things about soO is how he played the same way for his entire career, and, after returning from military service, how immediately began to play the exact same way.

He continues to take poor fights and overextend. He still doesn’t know how to play the late game or spread creep at the highest level. He’s also more susceptible to harassment than ever. He loses to players he crushed in the past and he is only now playing in Code S for the first time all year. For me, none of that matters. soO has already lived out one of the most impressive careers in the history of StarCraft II. These days he gets to play the game he loves on his own terms rather than being constrained by the rigors of a progaming career. I imagine he likes that quite a lot.

Predictions

soO won’t be all that good, but the whole soO experience will be very soO

There will be some weird TvP at some point.

herO still won’t look as good as he should.

GuMiho will make some inexplicable mistakes because that’s the kind of player he is. Classic, soO and herO are notorious for having the exact same issue. Buckle up, it’s gonna be a wild ride.

GuMiho > soO
herO > Classic
herO > GuMiho
Classic > soO
GuMiho > Classic

herO and GuMiho to advance.



Credits and acknowledgements

Writer: Mizenhauer
Editor: Wax
Images: AfreecaTV
Records and Statistics: Aligulac.com and Liquipedia

Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3509 Posts
October 19 2023 02:23 GMT
#2
The great group of Protoss hope. Please fellas.. if only to silence Reddit.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33559 Posts
October 19 2023 02:41 GMT
#3
post-military players slaughter
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Cygnus
Profile Joined February 2004
United States848 Posts
October 19 2023 05:04 GMT
#4
Cyclone patch changes meet GuMiho, highly intrigued by this group.
Aleksander34
Profile Joined October 2023
1 Post
October 23 2023 12:39 GMT
#5
Maybe not the best thread to aks this but didn't find a better one...

Why place the Templar Archive in such an exposed location? This asks to be sniped by any push that comes which inevitabely happend. I don't get why he didn't put it inn a more secure location.
[image loading]

Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
KCM Race Survival
10:00
Regular season
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 1121
LiquipediaDiscussion
PiG Sty Festival
09:00
Group A
Maru vs Bunny
Classic vs SHIN
PiGStarcraft1054
TKL 236
IndyStarCraft 220
Rex142
IntoTheiNu 23
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft1054
TKL 236
IndyStarCraft 220
Lowko153
Rex 142
ProTech130
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 27836
Horang2 7965
Hyuk 2943
GuemChi 2843
Sea 1317
Bisu 1127
Jaedong 676
Flash 574
Mini 308
ZerO 297
[ Show more ]
Stork 261
BeSt 243
Snow 198
Last 179
Hyun 177
EffOrt 154
Pusan 120
Larva 115
Light 102
hero 102
ggaemo 96
Mong 84
Rush 75
Shuttle 53
Barracks 52
Soulkey 51
Sea.KH 40
sorry 37
JYJ 35
Hm[arnc] 34
JulyZerg 33
Mind 31
ToSsGirL 27
sSak 22
Free 22
scan(afreeca) 22
Icarus 21
NaDa 20
910 16
Bale 16
GoRush 12
ZergMaN 12
Terrorterran 11
Movie 11
Dota 2
Gorgc1966
XaKoH 553
canceldota43
XcaliburYe42
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2046
zeus1289
allub285
x6flipin280
kRYSTAL_63
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor146
Other Games
singsing2528
Liquid`RaSZi1000
B2W.Neo353
crisheroes226
Fuzer 121
Mew2King83
Trikslyr27
QueenE11
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick519
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 74
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1616
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Winter Champion…
19m
OSC
19m
Replay Cast
12h 19m
PiG Sty Festival
21h 19m
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Escore
22h 19m
Epic.LAN
1d
Replay Cast
1d 12h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 21h
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
1d 22h
Epic.LAN
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-18
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.