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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
April 26 2022 11:01 GMT
#1
I play SC2 on and off, mostly on my account that I had since 2010. On that account I have been Master a few times back in WoL / HotS, but now I am nowhere near that (hovering around 3800-4000).

But, multiple times I see people on the ladder calling me out for "smurfing" in-game. Like they don't look at my profile after a game, but right after the match begins complain about smurfing.

Do people look up their opponents somehow as Bnet matches them? Or is it just guessing / coincidence?

Especially the last couple of days I was confused by several people calling me smurf before the game really got going. And I checked old replays and haven't played them before. What gives?
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 26 2022 11:10 GMT
#2
Is you portrait border still master?
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria909 Posts
April 26 2022 12:49 GMT
#3
On April 26 2022 20:10 Nakajin wrote:
Is you portrait border still master?


How can his portrait border still be masters when he is no longer masters…?
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
April 26 2022 13:05 GMT
#4
Yeah it's not that, I have normal Dia2 portrait
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ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
April 26 2022 13:26 GMT
#5
Is your ingame id llllllllllllll ? :>

Complaining about smurfs has become almost as common as balance whine in lower leagues nowadays. Due to an actual increase in smurfing or just a collective subconscious thing I don't know.
Things like the ability to queue offrace, or unranked, or unranked offrace definitely created this atmosphere where the moment your opponent feels like you're outplaying them, you're not legit.

Yeah, they can tell in a single sample game at their high level of diamond...

I think they're just mad.
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AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2577 Posts
April 26 2022 14:18 GMT
#6
I have been accused of smurfing (I am currently diamond 1) for hatch blocking, for scouting common proxy locations, for correctly executing an Adept all-in, for blocking a ramp with a force-field, for killing workers in an undefended main with an Oracle...

I think it's just so emotionally hard for people to accept being defeated that they'll look for any explanation that doesn't require them to process the idea that they deserved to lose because they didn't play as well as their opponent. For whatever reason i seems it's much less painful to one's ego to imagine that some pro beat you during a Bronze to GM stream or something than to accept that someone who is "merely" also high diamond was able to hit their timings or scout properly or deflect an attack or whatever.
The frumious Bandersnatch
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-26 15:24:37
April 26 2022 15:23 GMT
#7
Well I mean I get all that and I would understand if they call me a smurf AFTER the game. But it happened multiple times that they called me out within the first few seconds of the game.

Like:

glhf
great, another smurf, f&%^^ you

So I'll just chalk it up to coincidence or having played them before on another account of theirs.
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ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
April 26 2022 15:30 GMT
#8
Maybe your id and avatar? Cause it's certainly not a tool showing that you're smurfing, considering it's your main account...
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15929 Posts
April 26 2022 15:46 GMT
#9
On April 26 2022 20:01 zatic wrote:
I play SC2 on and off, mostly on my account that I had since 2010. On that account I have been Master a few times back in WoL / HotS, but now I am nowhere near that (hovering around 3800-4000).

But, multiple times I see people on the ladder calling me out for "smurfing" in-game. Like they don't look at my profile after a game, but right after the match begins complain about smurfing.

Do people look up their opponents somehow as Bnet matches them? Or is it just guessing / coincidence?

Especially the last couple of days I was confused by several people calling me smurf before the game really got going. And I checked old replays and haven't played them before. What gives?

This happened to me too. One guy then said it's because he has never played me before and therefore assumed I must be a smurf. Very confusing to me because at my skill level(4,6k-4,9k) it should be normal to not always get the same opponents?
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9190 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-26 18:05:42
April 26 2022 18:03 GMT
#10
Happened to me too, some guy brought up my old rank in the game when I was playing only unrankeds to relearn the game.

Yeah it's possible. Couldn't find a site that can show my old ranks directly but you can look up your profile on nephest.com/sc2/?#search and then click the link to your profile on starcraft2.com.
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AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2577 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-27 10:40:28
April 27 2022 10:40 GMT
#11
On April 27 2022 00:23 zatic wrote:
Well I mean I get all that and I would understand if they call me a smurf AFTER the game. But it happened multiple times that they called me out within the first few seconds of the game.

Like:

glhf
great, another smurf, f&%^^ you

So I'll just chalk it up to coincidence or having played them before on another account of theirs.

You know, now that you mention it I have definitely had this interaction before, too, of being accused of smurfing straight out the gate. I have abslutely no idea what that is, I guess I always assumed they had just requeued out of a really bad match that they assumed was against a smurf? I feel like it's in the same category as being greeted with "great, another cheezy all-inning a-mover idiot" because I'm Protoss. Just people being the way people are on the ladder.
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[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
April 27 2022 15:01 GMT
#12
Well, for example If I get a Dark Voice Portrait Random guy I inmediately assume he is a smurf, or also the guy (Kashinski ? somehing like that) that is the default portrait used to mean you were a smurf because you didn't even bother to change the portrait of a new account. Maybe it's that?
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Sound1
Profile Joined August 2016
France93 Posts
April 28 2022 19:00 GMT
#13
I have my own theory about that.

As you say, you play sc2 on and off, as many ppl nowadays. Nothing wrong with a 12th year game which is so hard to master.
In results, I think we have a ton of different levels in lower leagues, that the MMR doesn't represent well enough.
I mean, I am able to move my level between 2.8K and 3.3K MMR. At 2.8K MMR I can be smashed by 2.8K MMR opponent and sometimes smash him. At the end, the guy says Im smurfing. Can you tell me that is OK because I can reach 3.3K MMR ?
Nope, because just like you, I play sc2 every days during a month, and I forget it during 2. So sometimes, I do have a 2.8 MMR level.

I observed that before on the ladder. Some ppl at 2.8K MMR play way better than others at 3.3K MMR. I think that is the mark of a game which is played way less seriously than before. (I talk about lower leagues OFC)
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esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
April 28 2022 22:15 GMT
#14
On April 28 2022 00:01 [Phantom] wrote:
Well, for example If I get a Dark Voice Portrait Random guy I inmediately assume he is a smurf, or also the guy (Kashinski ? somehing like that) that is the default portrait used to mean you were a smurf because you didn't even bother to change the portrait of a new account. Maybe it's that?


You're 100% right about the default portrait. But, why in the world would you assume someone is a smurf if they have the dark voice portrait? The fact that they have that portrait means that is their main account... What is your logic? I don't understand.
Skill is relative.
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2577 Posts
April 29 2022 08:23 GMT
#15
On April 29 2022 07:15 esReveR wrote:
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On April 28 2022 00:01 [Phantom] wrote:
Well, for example If I get a Dark Voice Portrait Random guy I inmediately assume he is a smurf, or also the guy (Kashinski ? somehing like that) that is the default portrait used to mean you were a smurf because you didn't even bother to change the portrait of a new account. Maybe it's that?


You're 100% right about the default portrait. But, why in the world would you assume someone is a smurf if they have the dark voice portrait? The fact that they have that portrait means that is their main account... What is your logic? I don't understand.

"Smurfing" is often also used to refer to someone just intentionally tanking their account by mass leaving games to drop their MMR down to where they can get easy wins, instead of the more traditional meaning of a person playing on an entirely different account.
The frumious Bandersnatch
Infested.rine
Profile Joined March 2018
33 Posts
April 29 2022 08:53 GMT
#16
I got called a hacker because I opened 12 pool against a cannon rush, or because I send my ling to the direction the probe disappeared on the map. I also got messages saying I was smurfing while my races are pretty much the same rank.

I think people go to your profile. see the highest rank achieved master (with perhaps it being achieved multiple times) and assume you willingly lowered your mmr to play below that rank. That, plus the fact that people get salty when they lose.
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