EPTHow do you feel about rotating old maps back into the comp…
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TL.net Bot
TL.net131 Posts
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
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shadow4723
87 Posts
1. depending on which old maps are meant (eg most Wings maps), it would not be competitively viable 2. there's so many great maps from the map contest that don't make it into the map pool. let's give those creators some spotlight! | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
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depressed1
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2577 Posts
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
But only maps from LotV, the game has changed too much for HotS maps to come back. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3379 Posts
Increasing the map pool would also help keeping the game fresh. This imo is more important than shaking up with balance changes, just for the sake of shaking things up. | ||
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Drahkn
191 Posts
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Buster Nut
United Kingdom4 Posts
Even if there are 50 maps in the pool. I would love it. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
Emerald City - since 2018 Canyon of Tribulation - since 2018 Shipwrecked - since 2019 For whatever reason some old maps were actually rotated back in for team games, like Rooftop Terrace and Buried Caverns. Let's give all the map makers out there a chance to get more maps in, not discourage them by rotating in old maps!  | ||
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Judgement
Netherlands152 Posts
However never ever again the Dreampool, where there were only old maps that just dont fit the current meta//evolution of the game | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2141 Posts
On April 16 2022 02:28 Buster Nut wrote: Personally, I think Blizzard, before it drops the game completely should let the fans vote to pick out all the favorite maps of yesteryear. Have the best map makers tinker, and touch them up to fit LOTV. Then have them on rotation so you never know which map you're going to play, and it would be pretty hard to learn them all. In addition, add all the top map makers' maps in there too. Even if there are 50 maps in the pool. I would love it. I'd be down for something like this, I'd really hate to see the game abandoned without warning and everyone's stuck forever with whatever 7 maps happen to be in the pool at the time. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8304 Posts
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v1p3r52
New Zealand182 Posts
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Buster Nut
United Kingdom4 Posts
On April 16 2022 04:24 Judgement wrote: Some older maps have provided amazing games during their rotation, so i think 1 or 2 maps per mappool in a season that are older can be fun. However never ever again the Dreampool, where there were only old maps that just dont fit the current meta//evolution of the game I've always found the seasons too long. Especially with the few maps available, and when only a few are rotated out. I play random so don't veto, so I can't imagine how boring it would get if I used all my map vetoes. Increase the map count or shorten the seasons is my choice. As my comment above says, I'd be happy with 50+ maps on rotation, consisting of updated classic maps, and the top map makers maps. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
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Beelzebub1
1004 Posts
We need quicker map season rotations and a greater variety of maps. I really really like the TL map contests but it always feels like the most standard maps that just look the coolest win vs. which are the more balanced maps that produce better games. This could be fixed by simply allowing more maps into the map pool and getting rid of certain ones quicker. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
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Legan
Finland402 Posts
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washikie
United States752 Posts
With that said I do think we need smaller maps. The current pool features almost all large maps. It’s important imo that you get a different experience depending on the map. There are a few interesting large maps like hardwire but alot of the big maps play very similarly. Also a lot of old maps are miserable to play on nowadays. Depends how far. Back you go but dream pool was awful for instance. I never want dream pool again. | ||
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ThunderJunk
United States677 Posts
Okay maybe not that but we need at least 1 really screwy map every season so deviants like me can make frustrating builds that only work on that specific map so I can beat players that are better than me. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25245 Posts
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TheCheapSkate
Slovenia316 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
2844 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
I want to see new things, and rather have more maps to experiment with. We won't find more golden walls by just burning through old maps. | ||
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Sprog
New Zealand83 Posts
On April 19 2022 23:20 RogerChillingworth wrote: Don't like it. In fact, sc2 is sorely in need of some more interesting map design. I really like the idea of having unbuildable/but passable terrain to encourage more standard play, I think this would change ladder play a lot. Would be nice to have a larger map pool as some others have suggested, bigger map pool, more vetos. Not sure how possible it is in the current build of the game. Completely fine with old maps coming back | ||
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Djentleman2414
16 Posts
- Don't bring back unbalanced or "unfun" maps. What's "unfun" is obviously up for debate, but in general i mean any map that forces/heavily encourages the same play-pattern over and over again. - Do it sparsely: 1 map per rotation is plenty if not to much - Don't let them stay to long, we already got to see it enough Under these conditions i think it could be very fun to bring back some fan-favourites into the map pool to celebrate outstanding maps from the past. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15955 Posts
So definitely a 'YES' from me | ||
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DevilDriver
Germany77 Posts
I think the map pools in BW are really cool, but I guess it's different in SC2. | ||
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ssg
United States1773 Posts
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necrosexy
451 Posts
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
As others have mentioned, the TLMC is already a thing, arguably even more of a thing after the recent appeal from map makers for better feedback. There's been maybe a couple contests since then, so we are still pending results for the most part on how effective this will be in terms of improving overall submission quality (potentially even MORE good maps). Additionally, many have suggested in recent . errr . . . "discussion" threads (and I tend to agree, although perhaps not with plaintiff's methods) that map design can be a good way to tweak balance. It would probably be difficult to do this with old maps. We don't need Blizzard to make new maps, we have a thriving community of map makers. Maps are basically a renewable resource at this point in a game that is kinda starved for resources in many areas. Why on Earth it would be better to recycle old maps regularly instead of tapping into that resource (which also, btw, encourages more engagement from the community) I have no idea. | ||
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Drfilip
Sweden590 Posts
New maps are part of a cycle with progressive learning. Some players are better at adapting to new maps than others. That skill is something I like to see. As the maps are more figured out there are other skills displayed. New maps are also good for making the game feel fresh, which is a very important aspect. I voted slightly in favour since there are some old maps that can have a place in modern SC2. These are supposed to be an exception via deliberate consideration. New maps are better to use. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
Innovation vs Life on Daybreak was iconic, Maru vs any top Zerg would be too. | ||
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BlackLilium
Poland426 Posts
I would definitely play more often... | ||
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Aeceus
United Kingdom1278 Posts
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WeddingEpisode
United States356 Posts
https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/467160-dreampool-old-ladder-maps-return-for-season-4 | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15955 Posts
On April 26 2022 08:06 WeddingEpisode wrote: Remember Blizzard tried this in 2014, it was a flop. I was immediately sorry that they did, and I felt ridiculous for repeatedly having brought it up lol. The maps just weren't as fun anymore. https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/467160-dreampool-old-ladder-maps-return-for-season-4 Well, I enjoyed playing on Daybreak again. Nobody wants an old mappool again, but like 1 popular old map in the pool would be cool | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2063 Posts
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112StaminaX
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