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On February 24 2022 04:34 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2022 01:14 provrorsbarn wrote:On February 23 2022 21:42 KalWarkov wrote:
i like them as much as the next guy, but their gsl casting lately has been rather... hard to watch at times, so i'm not too bummed about it tbh I think they are doing a fantastic job right now with the BW ASL League casting. Never been better imo. Also Tasteless said on his stream that hes working on creating a tournament in korea. I think its SC2 but could be wrong. Their passion has always been and now solely in BW, but casting SC2 in GSL is just becoming a job to them. You can see that during the casting, its now 50% jokes and outside story, no discussion about the scence, no discussion about build order or timing attack. They pretty much tell us what happen on the screen, which is very helpful for newbie who never watched SC2 before but regular SC2 fans are not enjoying the content that much. Of course Tastosis still get a huge amount of SC2 fanbase from past success and their entertainment value, but for other reason than SC2 content.
Don't tell me the reason I like someone.
You don't like their current sc2 casting, that's fine.
I think they are still the best casters in the scene.
Don't act like you know better why they're popular than me and everyone else.
there's no objective measure of what's good casting and what's bad casting
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I think it's fine cuz there's so much casting talent in the west and tastosis doesnt follow sc2 at all anymore besides their gsl casts so their casting quality is soooo bad now. artosis not knowing anything about sc2 anymore is literally the reason why he stopped being the host of the pylon show
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Tastosis are still the best casters because they don't worship foreign players to an insane degree. It used to not bother me and I've always been against caster bashing for most of the reasons they normally get criticized but these last few years every casters never ending foreigner bias has made watching non-GSL events very painful.
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On February 24 2022 06:03 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2022 04:34 tigera6 wrote:On February 24 2022 01:14 provrorsbarn wrote:On February 23 2022 21:42 KalWarkov wrote:
i like them as much as the next guy, but their gsl casting lately has been rather... hard to watch at times, so i'm not too bummed about it tbh I think they are doing a fantastic job right now with the BW ASL League casting. Never been better imo. Also Tasteless said on his stream that hes working on creating a tournament in korea. I think its SC2 but could be wrong. Their passion has always been and now solely in BW, but casting SC2 in GSL is just becoming a job to them. You can see that during the casting, its now 50% jokes and outside story, no discussion about the scence, no discussion about build order or timing attack. They pretty much tell us what happen on the screen, which is very helpful for newbie who never watched SC2 before but regular SC2 fans are not enjoying the content that much. Of course Tastosis still get a huge amount of SC2 fanbase from past success and their entertainment value, but for other reason than SC2 content. Don't tell me the reason I like someone. You don't like their current sc2 casting, that's fine. I think they are still the best casters in the scene. Don't act like you know better why they're popular than me and everyone else. there's no objective measure of what's good casting and what's bad casting
Tigera is pretty on point for me at least
Someone like Creighton Olson got bashed into oblivion for not having enough game knowledge while these two know barely more about the game than me, who hasn t played a single ladder game in over a year.
Why? Because they as well don t play SC2, like at all.
They Don t have any conections to the scene apart from casting GSL and it become more and more apearent, that they talk about anything not game related, wich is just boring to me.
Whenever I watch GSL, I jusually just get the Harstem/ Lambo/ and Friends fast from twitch, because its way better
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I still enjoy Tastosis casting GSL. Nothing wrong with liking different casters.
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On February 23 2022 08:29 RogerChillingworth wrote:
There is so much casting talent in the west, it's a good thing they stick to Korea. Plus, they have Starcraft 1 and all the Korean SC2 events to do. I think to fly and for Artosis to just leave family behind is kind of old hat at this point. Like maybe something they would have done 5-10 years ago. Things change!
I think all is as it should be. But yeah, it'd be nice to have some cross pollination for some events, perhaps GSL vs the world at some point. I miss those fun events.
Yeah I strongly agree with you.
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They're my favourite GSL casters because I've always liked them casting the GSL. The production, the players, the history and stories, it all comes together to make me happy to watch along even for players I don't care to normally follow. Like others, I too find them to have a weakness in their SC2 casting when it comes to knowledge of the game and scene; they rely heavily on general RTS principles these days and things they remember from previous GSL games and seem pretty out of touch with the broader scene or specifics of the game. I don't miss them at global events but I hope they'll continue to cast GSL. Each to their own.
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If it gives a little more space for current/ex pros to do their thing, I’m ok with that. Guys like Grubby and Idra historically and now a Harstem or a Lambo do really give that extra level of depth and have good general casting chops anyway. Plus I’m enjoying my BW fix of Tastosis too, for others who don’t follow that game yeah I can imagine being a little starved.
It was mentioned that Tastosis would be nice for their closer links to the Korean scene and being a bit less foreigner biased and on that note, yeah I would have to agree there.
I do think Tastosis’, or more specifically Artosis’ lack of game knowledge is really exaggerated compared to some of the current rotation of casters, minus the pros. Plus the ‘casting paradox’ comes into play anyway. If you know enough about the game to know the casters are wrong, you don’t really need casters to analyse.
So much of casting is personal preference masquerading as some kind of objective evaluation. They have a still unbeaten general chemistry for me, good humour and, as unfair and arbitrary as it can be, they have pleasing voices to my ear.
I really liked Creighton’s efforts but he seemed rather under-appreciated more widely, others in the Katowice rotation I don’t really like but seem pretty popular. Everyone’s decent enough that I wouldn’t bash any casters, but a passion for the scene doesn’t automatically translate into having a great casting skillset.
Speaking of can anyone actually remember the tournies Idra did cast? I remember really enjoying his presence but wanted to test the accuracy of my memory.
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On February 24 2022 19:10 WombaT wrote:
If it gives a little more space for current/ex pros to do their thing, I’m ok with that. Guys like Grubby and Idra historically and now a Harstem or a Lambo do really give that extra level of depth and have good general casting chops anyway. Plus I’m enjoying my BW fix of Tastosis too, for others who don’t follow that game yeah I can imagine being a little starved.
It was mentioned that Tastosis would be nice for their closer links to the Korean scene and being a bit less foreigner biased and on that note, yeah I would have to agree there.
I do think Tastosis’, or more specifically Artosis’ lack of game knowledge is really exaggerated compared to some of the current rotation of casters, minus the pros. Plus the ‘casting paradox’ comes into play anyway. If you know enough about the game to know the casters are wrong, you don’t really need casters to analyse.
So much of casting is personal preference masquerading as some kind of objective evaluation. They have a still unbeaten general chemistry for me, good humour and, as unfair and arbitrary as it can be, they have pleasing voices to my ear.
I really liked Creighton’s efforts but he seemed rather under-appreciated more widely, others in the Katowice rotation I don’t really like but seem pretty popular. Everyone’s decent enough that I wouldn’t bash any casters, but a passion for the scene doesn’t automatically translate into having a great casting skillset.
Speaking of can anyone actually remember the tournies Idra did cast? I remember really enjoying his presence but wanted to test the accuracy of my memory.
Yeah, people just love to hate them for some reason, I don't think their game knowledge is really worse than the one of half the WCS casters (Wardi, ZG, Feardragon, PiG).
People just jump on every opportunity to bash them, I remember when they saw a terran playing mech and were surprised despite mech being played quite a bit in a tournament a few days ago and a lot of people started bashing them as if missing a single sc2 tournaments was an unforgivable sin for a caster.
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On February 24 2022 20:35 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2022 19:10 WombaT wrote:
If it gives a little more space for current/ex pros to do their thing, I’m ok with that. Guys like Grubby and Idra historically and now a Harstem or a Lambo do really give that extra level of depth and have good general casting chops anyway. Plus I’m enjoying my BW fix of Tastosis too, for others who don’t follow that game yeah I can imagine being a little starved.
It was mentioned that Tastosis would be nice for their closer links to the Korean scene and being a bit less foreigner biased and on that note, yeah I would have to agree there.
I do think Tastosis’, or more specifically Artosis’ lack of game knowledge is really exaggerated compared to some of the current rotation of casters, minus the pros. Plus the ‘casting paradox’ comes into play anyway. If you know enough about the game to know the casters are wrong, you don’t really need casters to analyse.
So much of casting is personal preference masquerading as some kind of objective evaluation. They have a still unbeaten general chemistry for me, good humour and, as unfair and arbitrary as it can be, they have pleasing voices to my ear.
I really liked Creighton’s efforts but he seemed rather under-appreciated more widely, others in the Katowice rotation I don’t really like but seem pretty popular. Everyone’s decent enough that I wouldn’t bash any casters, but a passion for the scene doesn’t automatically translate into having a great casting skillset.
Speaking of can anyone actually remember the tournies Idra did cast? I remember really enjoying his presence but wanted to test the accuracy of my memory. Yeah, people just love to hate them for some reason, I don't think their game knowledge is really worse than the one of half the WCS casters (Wardi, ZG, Feardragon, PiG). People just jump on every opportunity to bash them, I remember when they saw a terran playing mech and were surprised despite mech being played quite a bit in a tournament a few days ago and a lot of people started bashing them as if missing a single sc2 tournaments was an unforgivable sin for a caster.
I mean I watch quite a bit of the premiere tournaments, esp. GSL and the Dreamhacks/big international tournies and I cannot recall seeing mech outside of TvT in well, forever.
Artosis did some good breakdowns with NoRegret of Maru’s mech against Protoss he brought out one Super Tournament. In Depth was a good show dagnabbit! And at that time BC into mech (usually of the battle variety) was reasonably in meta TvZ
If I were to check, I’d imagine that you’re talking 2018/19, I cannot earnestly recall much meching at the top level since. I mean relying on memory, especially mine isn’t too wise, but you get the point.
To the degree I find weird, perhaps some high level players can qualify. BattlemechTM at least seemed potent, if not as a primary style then at least something to throw in the odd time in a series. Especially given 2 years of trying to micro bio cross-server, if mech was at all viable at the tip top level outside of a novelty surprise build surely we would have seen more of it
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On February 24 2022 21:03 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2022 20:35 Charoisaur wrote:On February 24 2022 19:10 WombaT wrote:
If it gives a little more space for current/ex pros to do their thing, I’m ok with that. Guys like Grubby and Idra historically and now a Harstem or a Lambo do really give that extra level of depth and have good general casting chops anyway. Plus I’m enjoying my BW fix of Tastosis too, for others who don’t follow that game yeah I can imagine being a little starved.
It was mentioned that Tastosis would be nice for their closer links to the Korean scene and being a bit less foreigner biased and on that note, yeah I would have to agree there.
I do think Tastosis’, or more specifically Artosis’ lack of game knowledge is really exaggerated compared to some of the current rotation of casters, minus the pros. Plus the ‘casting paradox’ comes into play anyway. If you know enough about the game to know the casters are wrong, you don’t really need casters to analyse.
So much of casting is personal preference masquerading as some kind of objective evaluation. They have a still unbeaten general chemistry for me, good humour and, as unfair and arbitrary as it can be, they have pleasing voices to my ear.
I really liked Creighton’s efforts but he seemed rather under-appreciated more widely, others in the Katowice rotation I don’t really like but seem pretty popular. Everyone’s decent enough that I wouldn’t bash any casters, but a passion for the scene doesn’t automatically translate into having a great casting skillset.
Speaking of can anyone actually remember the tournies Idra did cast? I remember really enjoying his presence but wanted to test the accuracy of my memory. Yeah, people just love to hate them for some reason, I don't think their game knowledge is really worse than the one of half the WCS casters (Wardi, ZG, Feardragon, PiG). People just jump on every opportunity to bash them, I remember when they saw a terran playing mech and were surprised despite mech being played quite a bit in a tournament a few days ago and a lot of people started bashing them as if missing a single sc2 tournaments was an unforgivable sin for a caster. I mean I watch quite a bit of the premiere tournaments, esp. GSL and the Dreamhacks/big international tournies and I cannot recall seeing mech outside of TvT in well, forever. Artosis did some good breakdowns with NoRegret of Maru’s mech against Protoss he brought out one Super Tournament. In Depth was a good show dagnabbit! And at that time BC into mech (usually of the battle variety) was reasonably in meta TvZ If I were to check, I’d imagine that you’re talking 2018/19, I cannot earnestly recall much meching at the top level since. I mean relying on memory, especially mine isn’t too wise, but you get the point. To the degree I find weird, perhaps some high level players can qualify. BattlemechTM at least seemed potent, if not as a primary style then at least something to throw in the odd time in a series. Especially given 2 years of trying to micro bio cross-server, if mech was at all viable at the tip top level outside of a novelty surprise build surely we would have seen more of it
it was just recently after Maru beat Ragnarok and Dark at Last Chance with mech.
After that, mech was played in a GSL match (possibly by Maru too?) and they were surprised and said this isn't really a thing currently indicating they didn't see Last Chance. Which is totally okay to miss a single tournament imo especially with their different timezone. A lot of people took that as proof they don't really follow sc2 anymore
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Tastosis are still MVPs for me, but IEM doesn't need them this year. They are already more than stacked with casters and hosts. I don't mind Tastosis staying at the Mekka of Starcraft 
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On February 24 2022 06:03 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2022 04:34 tigera6 wrote:On February 24 2022 01:14 provrorsbarn wrote:On February 23 2022 21:42 KalWarkov wrote:
i like them as much as the next guy, but their gsl casting lately has been rather... hard to watch at times, so i'm not too bummed about it tbh I think they are doing a fantastic job right now with the BW ASL League casting. Never been better imo. Also Tasteless said on his stream that hes working on creating a tournament in korea. I think its SC2 but could be wrong. Their passion has always been and now solely in BW, but casting SC2 in GSL is just becoming a job to them. You can see that during the casting, its now 50% jokes and outside story, no discussion about the scence, no discussion about build order or timing attack. They pretty much tell us what happen on the screen, which is very helpful for newbie who never watched SC2 before but regular SC2 fans are not enjoying the content that much. Of course Tastosis still get a huge amount of SC2 fanbase from past success and their entertainment value, but for other reason than SC2 content. Don't tell me the reason I like someone. You don't like their current sc2 casting, that's fine. I think they are still the best casters in the scene. Don't act like you know better why they're popular than me and everyone else. there's no objective measure of what's good casting and what's bad casting
I am not telling you how you should feel, I am telling you how I feel about their casting, and there have been several SC2 fans in agreement with me. Doesnt mean I am right or wrong, but for sure I am NOT hating on Tastosis for their success. Like I said, people still like them because they are very entertaining and that might just be more important than being knowledgable about build order and timing.
And I never said that Tastosis are BAD caster, its just they are not doing it with much passion anymore and is becoming a regular day job to them. Their energy and focus during the cast recently is more about story on slapping the chicken or horsemeat, and if you like that, then its fine. I just point out that some of us, like me, would like to hear more about the battle and the game itself during the match. Somehow thats being considered as HATING is just plain stupid.
Just to be clear, I still appreciate that they are doing the English casting of GSL and giving us fan the ability to enjoy it.
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On February 25 2022 02:50 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2022 06:03 Charoisaur wrote:On February 24 2022 04:34 tigera6 wrote:On February 24 2022 01:14 provrorsbarn wrote:On February 23 2022 21:42 KalWarkov wrote:
i like them as much as the next guy, but their gsl casting lately has been rather... hard to watch at times, so i'm not too bummed about it tbh I think they are doing a fantastic job right now with the BW ASL League casting. Never been better imo. Also Tasteless said on his stream that hes working on creating a tournament in korea. I think its SC2 but could be wrong. Their passion has always been and now solely in BW, but casting SC2 in GSL is just becoming a job to them. You can see that during the casting, its now 50% jokes and outside story, no discussion about the scence, no discussion about build order or timing attack. They pretty much tell us what happen on the screen, which is very helpful for newbie who never watched SC2 before but regular SC2 fans are not enjoying the content that much. Of course Tastosis still get a huge amount of SC2 fanbase from past success and their entertainment value, but for other reason than SC2 content. Don't tell me the reason I like someone. You don't like their current sc2 casting, that's fine. I think they are still the best casters in the scene. Don't act like you know better why they're popular than me and everyone else. there's no objective measure of what's good casting and what's bad casting I am not telling you how you should feel, I am telling you how I feel about their casting, and there have been several SC2 fans in agreement with me. Doesnt mean I am right or wrong, but for sure I am NOT hating on Tastosis for their success. Like I said, people still like them because they are very entertaining and that might just be more important than being knowledgable about build order and timing. And I never said that Tastosis are BAD caster, its just they are not doing it with much passion anymore and is becoming a regular day job to them. Their energy and focus during the cast recently is more about story on slapping the chicken or horsemeat, and if you like that, then its fine. I just point out that some of us, like me, would like to hear more about the battle and the game itself during the match. Somehow thats being considered as HATING is just plain stupid. Just to be clear, I still appreciate that they are doing the English casting of GSL and giving us fan the ability to enjoy it.
Well then agree to disagree. And I never said you were hating, I was calling you out for generalizing statements like regular SC2 fans are not enjoying the content that much.
Of course Tastosis still get a huge amount of SC2 fanbase from past success and their entertainment value, but for other reason than SC2 content.
which are just untrue because I for example as a regular sc2 fan still like them for their sc2 content
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Tasteless was casting the KR Valorant league last night, so he seems to be branching out. Investing in his future!
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This was originally a thread about WHY they don't cast us much outside of KR and drifted in the same old Tastosis critique, Tastosis is overrated etc.
I feel like we need to have a thread like this at least once a year. Anyone remember the greatest article of all time?
We don't have a lot of caster tbh. I think it's fine to appreciate them, even if it's just for their loyalty to the scene. I think there is no reason to spread so much salt
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