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In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible
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On June 23 2021 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible
If Juan makes it out of that group I will be VERY impressed. He's the underdog in every potential match up in my opinion.
Solar's ZvT is VERY strong, and Parting and Trap are both absolutely lethal in PvT. Which by Special's own admission is his weakest match up.
I can see him upsetting one of them, but upsetting 2 or 3 matches in that group to advance? That's a tall order.
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On June 23 2021 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible
...Is that what the kids call a group of death these days? Back in my day, a group of death was when everyone in a group was a good bet for winning the whole tournament. Looking at these groups, I'm not even sure it would be POSSIBLE to assemble a true group of death anymore.
Seriously, what would that group look like right now? Maru, Rogue, Trap, and...? I guess if you put those three in and someone like Dream, I'd be willing to give it a stamp of approval.
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On June 23 2021 01:53 neutralrobot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2021 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible ...Is that what the kids call a group of death these days? Back in my day, a group of death was when everyone in a group was a good bet for winning the whole tournament. Looking at these groups, I'm not even sure it would be POSSIBLE to assemble a true group of death anymore. Seriously, what would that group look like right now? Maru, Rogue, Trap, and...? I guess if you put those three in and someone like Dream, I'd be willing to give it a stamp of approval.
There's levels to it.
I called the Group of Flash, Innovation, Life and Parting the group of Galactic Xenocide when I first saw it.
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On June 23 2021 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2021 01:53 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible ...Is that what the kids call a group of death these days? Back in my day, a group of death was when everyone in a group was a good bet for winning the whole tournament. Looking at these groups, I'm not even sure it would be POSSIBLE to assemble a true group of death anymore. Seriously, what would that group look like right now? Maru, Rogue, Trap, and...? I guess if you put those three in and someone like Dream, I'd be willing to give it a stamp of approval. There's levels to it. I called the Group of Flash, Innovation, Life and Parting the group of Galactic Xenocide when I first saw it.
In hindsight Flash was quite weak in sc2 and PartinG wasn’t as hot in kespa era iirc? But it was peak INno and Life indeed.
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On June 23 2021 01:58 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2021 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2021 01:53 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible ...Is that what the kids call a group of death these days? Back in my day, a group of death was when everyone in a group was a good bet for winning the whole tournament. Looking at these groups, I'm not even sure it would be POSSIBLE to assemble a true group of death anymore. Seriously, what would that group look like right now? Maru, Rogue, Trap, and...? I guess if you put those three in and someone like Dream, I'd be willing to give it a stamp of approval. There's levels to it. I called the Group of Flash, Innovation, Life and Parting the group of Galactic Xenocide when I first saw it. In hindsight Flash was quite weak in sc2 and PartinG wasn’t as hot in kespa era iirc? But it was peak INno and Life indeed.
Ironically enough it was Flash and Parting who advanced out of that group if I remember correctly. Might have been Innovation instead of Flash, but I know for sure Parting advanced and Life did not. I remember because I was a huge Life fanboy in that era and I was shocked to see him drop out of that group.
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On June 23 2021 01:58 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2021 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2021 01:53 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible ...Is that what the kids call a group of death these days? Back in my day, a group of death was when everyone in a group was a good bet for winning the whole tournament. Looking at these groups, I'm not even sure it would be POSSIBLE to assemble a true group of death anymore. Seriously, what would that group look like right now? Maru, Rogue, Trap, and...? I guess if you put those three in and someone like Dream, I'd be willing to give it a stamp of approval. There's levels to it. I called the Group of Flash, Innovation, Life and Parting the group of Galactic Xenocide when I first saw it. In hindsight Flash was quite weak in sc2 and PartinG wasn’t as hot in kespa era iirc? But it was peak INno and Life indeed.
PartinG was an absolute beast in much of the KeSPA era. He took 2nd place vs Life in GSL 2015 with a 3-4 finals scoreline, he had an invincible build that nobody else could pull off for a while, and other solid results 2014-2015. He arguably had the best micro in all SC2 history, regularly beating Maru in micro battles.
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On June 23 2021 02:13 neutralrobot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2021 01:58 Poopi wrote:On June 23 2021 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2021 01:53 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible ...Is that what the kids call a group of death these days? Back in my day, a group of death was when everyone in a group was a good bet for winning the whole tournament. Looking at these groups, I'm not even sure it would be POSSIBLE to assemble a true group of death anymore. Seriously, what would that group look like right now? Maru, Rogue, Trap, and...? I guess if you put those three in and someone like Dream, I'd be willing to give it a stamp of approval. There's levels to it. I called the Group of Flash, Innovation, Life and Parting the group of Galactic Xenocide when I first saw it. In hindsight Flash was quite weak in sc2 and PartinG wasn’t as hot in kespa era iirc? But it was peak INno and Life indeed. PartinG was an absolute beast in much of the KeSPA era. He took 2nd place vs Life in GSL 2015 with a 3-4 finals scoreline, he had an invincible build that nobody else could pull off for a while, and other solid results 2014-2015. He arguably had the best micro in all SC2 history, regularly beating Maru in micro battles.
Funny enough though, you know who Parting could never best in micro battles in all the years I watched him? Marineking. 2011-2012 Marineking vs Parting was the epitome of SC2 micro battles and Marineking beat him a lot more often than not.
Was some of the most fun I've had watching TvP. The game has changed since then and Marineking is obviously no longer playing, but I find it humorous that even though Maru has surpassed Marineking in every other way, he never had Parting's number the way that Marineking used to.
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On June 23 2021 02:17 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2021 02:13 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:58 Poopi wrote:On June 23 2021 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2021 01:53 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible ...Is that what the kids call a group of death these days? Back in my day, a group of death was when everyone in a group was a good bet for winning the whole tournament. Looking at these groups, I'm not even sure it would be POSSIBLE to assemble a true group of death anymore. Seriously, what would that group look like right now? Maru, Rogue, Trap, and...? I guess if you put those three in and someone like Dream, I'd be willing to give it a stamp of approval. There's levels to it. I called the Group of Flash, Innovation, Life and Parting the group of Galactic Xenocide when I first saw it. In hindsight Flash was quite weak in sc2 and PartinG wasn’t as hot in kespa era iirc? But it was peak INno and Life indeed. PartinG was an absolute beast in much of the KeSPA era. He took 2nd place vs Life in GSL 2015 with a 3-4 finals scoreline, he had an invincible build that nobody else could pull off for a while, and other solid results 2014-2015. He arguably had the best micro in all SC2 history, regularly beating Maru in micro battles. Funny enough though, you know who Parting could never best in micro battles in all the years I watched him? Marineking. 2011-2012 Marineking vs Parting was the epitome of SC2 micro battles and Marineking beat him a lot more often than not. Was some of the most fun I've had watching TvP. The game has changed since then and Marineking is obviously no longer playing, but I find it humorous that even though Maru has surpassed Marineking in every other way, he never had Parting's number the way that Marineking used to.
Well MarineKing had the best micro for a while so it wasn’t that surprising. Maru was too young in MKP’s prime (no pun intended) and ByuN too much of a choker, so the best micro Terran was MKP during WoL!
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On June 23 2021 01:58 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2021 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2021 01:53 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible ...Is that what the kids call a group of death these days? Back in my day, a group of death was when everyone in a group was a good bet for winning the whole tournament. Looking at these groups, I'm not even sure it would be POSSIBLE to assemble a true group of death anymore. Seriously, what would that group look like right now? Maru, Rogue, Trap, and...? I guess if you put those three in and someone like Dream, I'd be willing to give it a stamp of approval. There's levels to it. I called the Group of Flash, Innovation, Life and Parting the group of Galactic Xenocide when I first saw it. In hindsight Flash was quite weak in sc2 and PartinG wasn’t as hot in kespa era iirc? But it was peak INno and Life indeed.
That group of death was 2013 season 1, it's the era of PartinG and life dominance and INno's rising, while as flash was showing great results in team league.
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On June 23 2021 02:25 Howard_Kao wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2021 01:58 Poopi wrote:On June 23 2021 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2021 01:53 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible ...Is that what the kids call a group of death these days? Back in my day, a group of death was when everyone in a group was a good bet for winning the whole tournament. Looking at these groups, I'm not even sure it would be POSSIBLE to assemble a true group of death anymore. Seriously, what would that group look like right now? Maru, Rogue, Trap, and...? I guess if you put those three in and someone like Dream, I'd be willing to give it a stamp of approval. There's levels to it. I called the Group of Flash, Innovation, Life and Parting the group of Galactic Xenocide when I first saw it. In hindsight Flash was quite weak in sc2 and PartinG wasn’t as hot in kespa era iirc? But it was peak INno and Life indeed. That group of death was 2013 season 1, it's the era of PartinG and life dominance and INno's rising, while as flash was showing great results in team league.
nah, Flash definitely had more reputation than actual skill at that point, as the elitist posters on TL.net constantly pointed out (Life beating Flash at MLG was the greatest thing that ever happened to us that year).
But obv Flash is still Flash in terms of name value, and u gotta hype the shit out of that for less cynical fans.
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On June 23 2021 02:17 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2021 02:13 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:58 Poopi wrote:On June 23 2021 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2021 01:53 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible ...Is that what the kids call a group of death these days? Back in my day, a group of death was when everyone in a group was a good bet for winning the whole tournament. Looking at these groups, I'm not even sure it would be POSSIBLE to assemble a true group of death anymore. Seriously, what would that group look like right now? Maru, Rogue, Trap, and...? I guess if you put those three in and someone like Dream, I'd be willing to give it a stamp of approval. There's levels to it. I called the Group of Flash, Innovation, Life and Parting the group of Galactic Xenocide when I first saw it. In hindsight Flash was quite weak in sc2 and PartinG wasn’t as hot in kespa era iirc? But it was peak INno and Life indeed. PartinG was an absolute beast in much of the KeSPA era. He took 2nd place vs Life in GSL 2015 with a 3-4 finals scoreline, he had an invincible build that nobody else could pull off for a while, and other solid results 2014-2015. He arguably had the best micro in all SC2 history, regularly beating Maru in micro battles. Funny enough though, you know who Parting could never best in micro battles in all the years I watched him? Marineking. 2011-2012 Marineking vs Parting was the epitome of SC2 micro battles and Marineking beat him a lot more often than not. Was some of the most fun I've had watching TvP. The game has changed since then and Marineking is obviously no longer playing, but I find it humorous that even though Maru has surpassed Marineking in every other way, he never had Parting's number the way that Marineking used to.
I'm still bitter about MKP getting a re-game in a completely lost game against Parting due to internet issues before resume from replay was a thing. I feel that result permanently tilted Parting against MKP.
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On June 23 2021 02:50 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2021 02:17 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2021 02:13 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:58 Poopi wrote:On June 23 2021 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2021 01:53 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible ...Is that what the kids call a group of death these days? Back in my day, a group of death was when everyone in a group was a good bet for winning the whole tournament. Looking at these groups, I'm not even sure it would be POSSIBLE to assemble a true group of death anymore. Seriously, what would that group look like right now? Maru, Rogue, Trap, and...? I guess if you put those three in and someone like Dream, I'd be willing to give it a stamp of approval. There's levels to it. I called the Group of Flash, Innovation, Life and Parting the group of Galactic Xenocide when I first saw it. In hindsight Flash was quite weak in sc2 and PartinG wasn’t as hot in kespa era iirc? But it was peak INno and Life indeed. PartinG was an absolute beast in much of the KeSPA era. He took 2nd place vs Life in GSL 2015 with a 3-4 finals scoreline, he had an invincible build that nobody else could pull off for a while, and other solid results 2014-2015. He arguably had the best micro in all SC2 history, regularly beating Maru in micro battles. Funny enough though, you know who Parting could never best in micro battles in all the years I watched him? Marineking. 2011-2012 Marineking vs Parting was the epitome of SC2 micro battles and Marineking beat him a lot more often than not. Was some of the most fun I've had watching TvP. The game has changed since then and Marineking is obviously no longer playing, but I find it humorous that even though Maru has surpassed Marineking in every other way, he never had Parting's number the way that Marineking used to. I'm still bitter about MKP getting a re-game in a completely lost game against Parting due to internet issues before resume from replay was a thing. I feel that result permanently tilted Parting against MKP.
That's an interesting conspiracy theory.
A win's a win though. Not that it mattered because the bigger story from that tournament (it was IPL4 I think) was Broodlord/Infestor.
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On June 23 2021 02:17 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2021 02:13 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:58 Poopi wrote:On June 23 2021 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2021 01:53 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible ...Is that what the kids call a group of death these days? Back in my day, a group of death was when everyone in a group was a good bet for winning the whole tournament. Looking at these groups, I'm not even sure it would be POSSIBLE to assemble a true group of death anymore. Seriously, what would that group look like right now? Maru, Rogue, Trap, and...? I guess if you put those three in and someone like Dream, I'd be willing to give it a stamp of approval. There's levels to it. I called the Group of Flash, Innovation, Life and Parting the group of Galactic Xenocide when I first saw it. In hindsight Flash was quite weak in sc2 and PartinG wasn’t as hot in kespa era iirc? But it was peak INno and Life indeed. PartinG was an absolute beast in much of the KeSPA era. He took 2nd place vs Life in GSL 2015 with a 3-4 finals scoreline, he had an invincible build that nobody else could pull off for a while, and other solid results 2014-2015. He arguably had the best micro in all SC2 history, regularly beating Maru in micro battles. Funny enough though, you know who Parting could never best in micro battles in all the years I watched him? Marineking. 2011-2012 Marineking vs Parting was the epitome of SC2 micro battles and Marineking beat him a lot more often than not. Was some of the most fun I've had watching TvP. The game has changed since then and Marineking is obviously no longer playing, but I find it humorous that even though Maru has surpassed Marineking in every other way, he never had Parting's number the way that Marineking used to.
Hmm, I don't remember Parting too well from those early days... I think he powered up the micro over time. I remember when he seemed like the junior counterpart to Squirtle.
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On June 23 2021 07:43 neutralrobot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2021 02:17 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2021 02:13 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:58 Poopi wrote:On June 23 2021 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2021 01:53 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible ...Is that what the kids call a group of death these days? Back in my day, a group of death was when everyone in a group was a good bet for winning the whole tournament. Looking at these groups, I'm not even sure it would be POSSIBLE to assemble a true group of death anymore. Seriously, what would that group look like right now? Maru, Rogue, Trap, and...? I guess if you put those three in and someone like Dream, I'd be willing to give it a stamp of approval. There's levels to it. I called the Group of Flash, Innovation, Life and Parting the group of Galactic Xenocide when I first saw it. In hindsight Flash was quite weak in sc2 and PartinG wasn’t as hot in kespa era iirc? But it was peak INno and Life indeed. PartinG was an absolute beast in much of the KeSPA era. He took 2nd place vs Life in GSL 2015 with a 3-4 finals scoreline, he had an invincible build that nobody else could pull off for a while, and other solid results 2014-2015. He arguably had the best micro in all SC2 history, regularly beating Maru in micro battles. Funny enough though, you know who Parting could never best in micro battles in all the years I watched him? Marineking. 2011-2012 Marineking vs Parting was the epitome of SC2 micro battles and Marineking beat him a lot more often than not. Was some of the most fun I've had watching TvP. The game has changed since then and Marineking is obviously no longer playing, but I find it humorous that even though Maru has surpassed Marineking in every other way, he never had Parting's number the way that Marineking used to. Hmm, I don't remember Parting too well from those early days... I think he powered up the micro over time. I remember when he seemed like the junior counterpart to Squirtle.
No he was a totally different player than Squirtle even back then. Squirtle in his day was the master of timings and build orders a lot like Trap is now.
Parting back then was superb in his control of units, specifically Sentries vs Zerg and High Templar vs Terran.
Parting has had a reputation ever since he got big of having great micro among Protoss players, but really only for ground units. Other Protoss have had success with air units that Parting has never relied on.
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On June 23 2021 01:58 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2021 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 23 2021 01:53 neutralrobot wrote:On June 23 2021 01:43 HolydaKing wrote:
In my opinion, Group D is also a contender for the group of Death. Trap will advance most likely, but who after him? Probably Solar, but could also be PartinG and even Special isn't impossible ...Is that what the kids call a group of death these days? Back in my day, a group of death was when everyone in a group was a good bet for winning the whole tournament. Looking at these groups, I'm not even sure it would be POSSIBLE to assemble a true group of death anymore. Seriously, what would that group look like right now? Maru, Rogue, Trap, and...? I guess if you put those three in and someone like Dream, I'd be willing to give it a stamp of approval. There's levels to it. I called the Group of Flash, Innovation, Life and Parting the group of Galactic Xenocide when I first saw it. In hindsight Flash was quite weak in sc2 and PartinG wasn’t as hot in kespa era iirc? But it was peak INno and Life indeed.
Flash was solid at the time of that group, and his game v PartinG on Daybreak was easily the highlight match of the group. Most predicted Life Flash, and yet Inno Parting advanced
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Impressive win by Parting! Looking forward to Group B 
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Solar beat Maru in NeXT, I stand to my word that Group D is a contender for group of Death, although yes, if you allow the "there's no group of Death" then there is probably none. But for me group of Death isn't only about the strength of the players, but about unpredictability. I think PartinG has a good shot at beating Solar and Trap, and as such I find group D pretty tough to predict.
For group B, I think Inno and Dark are pretty damn likely to advance, even if nothing is guaranteed. Group A is another contender, Rogue is a huge favorite but otherwise? Byun and Bunny should battle for 2nd, I wasn't impressed of Percival against ForGG at all. For Group C I think Maru and sOs once again are the huge favorites, but Zoun and Ragnarok are very strong players sometimes and so this group is great too.
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On June 23 2021 21:40 HolydaKing wrote:
Solar beat Maru in NeXT, I stand to my word that Group D is a contender for group of Death, although yes, if you allow the "there's no group of Death" then there is probably none. But for me group of Death isn't only about the strength of the players, but about unpredictability. I think PartinG has a good shot at beating Solar and Trap, and as such I find group D pretty tough to predict.
For group B, I think Inno and Dark are pretty damn likely to advance, even if nothing is guaranteed. Group A is another contender, Rogue is a huge favorite but otherwise? Byun and Bunny should battle for 2nd, I wasn't impressed of Percival against ForGG at all. For Group C I think Maru and sOs once again are the huge favorites, but Zoun and Ragnarok are very strong players sometimes and so this group is great too.
Agreed. For me, a "group of death" depends on scoring pretty high on both of two criteria:
1. Is the overall skill of the group pretty high, especially compared to the other groups?
2. Are the players around the same level, making the outcome of the group hard to predict?
In groups of four, having only one or two amazing players doesn't make the group a "group of death", imo.
Similarly, having a full group of mid-level players doesn't make the group a "group of death" either, imo.
A group of death makes me think "holy shit, most of these games are going to be high level and I have no idea who's going to win".
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sincere hope"ByuN"Can win
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