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TSL7 - Week 2 - Order or Chaos?

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TSL7 - Week 2 - Order or Chaos?

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
June 17th, 2021 23:30 GMT
Week 1 Recap
& Best Games

Zest stands out in a routine opening week

Week 2 Preview
Dark vs. Reynor, part infinity

Brackets and standings on (Wiki)Liquipedia

VODs on Twitch
Day 1 - Day 2

Week 1 Review: The Most Normal TSL yet?

by Wax

Upsets and surprises have been hallmarks of past TeamLiquid Starleagues, whether it was ThorZaIN becoming an overnight star at TSL3 or a 'retirement-mode' soO departing with one more championship in hand at TSL5.

However, at least for the first week, TSL7 has gone largely according to chalk. The top seeded players took care of business against their outmatched foes, often winning in one-sided fashion.

The one big surprise from the weekend was Zest shrugging aside his prior 1-10 head-to-head record against Serral to send the Finnish Phenom down to the lower bracket. Perhaps it's not such an unusual result in hindsight—Serral hasn't put up a notable tournament result in over half a year, and for all his prior losses, Zest did win their most consequential match back in the 2020 IEM World Championship semifinals.

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The most notable of Zest's victories was his brutish bludgeoning of Serral on Jagannatha with Blink Stalkers and Colossi (VOD). Serral and Reynor have made that composition seem ineffectual on countless occasions in the past, but Zest's positioning and pre-spreading of units against Banelings allowed him to win the deciding battle in such an unexpected matter that it left guest-caster Lambo completely baffled.

Anything else? Maybe TIME's one-sided 3-0 victory over HeroMarine raised a few eyebrows, but given the parity and volatility we're seeing in TvT as of late, it doesn't seem like that strange an outcome.

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Down in the lower bracket, we sadly bid fan-favorites Has and MaxPax farewell (due to some quirks in the TSL7 schedule, an uneven portion of the lower bracket matches were played in week 1). Fortunately for connoisseurs of creative-minded play, Zoun, Neeb, Zest, and Trap are more than capable of giving their opponents a taste of fine Protoss BS.

Recommended Games

Two Terran vs Terran matches are TL.net's picks for best games of the week, with both matches occuring on the macro-favoring map of Romanticide. As to not spoil the content of the games too much, it will suffice to say that these matches were in danger of becoming long, turtly, and boring—but they ended up taking a turn for the better.
  • Special vs Cure, Game 1: (at 1h 52m)
  • HeroMarine vs TIME, Game 3 (at 5h 33m)

One of the more delightful moments of week one didn't even occur in a game—instead, it involved Reynor playing to the audience as usual in the SecretLab™ Hot Seat. This particular interview featured Harstem attempting to fill in as an Italian 'translator,' Harstem phasing in and out of time-space, and Elazer catching all sorts of strays despite not even playing in the tournament (Watch VOD).


God of Predictions: ZombieGrub

This week's GOD OF PREDICTIONS is ZombieGrub, who went 7 of 8 on predictions for an 87.5% accuracy rate. There is no prize money for being named the TL.net GOD OF PREDICTIONS of the week, because possessing flawless logic and superior cognitive ability is its own reward.*

Day 1 Caster Predictions - Day 2 Caster Predictions

Now, using accuracy percentage as the deciding metric is a bit fraught given the fact that not every caster predicted the same # of games—RotterdaM and TLO had to pick twelve matches, while Mr. Bitter and Lambo only picked six. But until Aligulac.com decides to assign difficulty ratings to each prediction and hand out rankings to casters, this method will have to suffice.

A special shoutout goes to RotterdaM for picking the RO16 100% correctly, though he dropped the ball in the later rounds by going 1/4. Also, a "special" shoutout goes to guest caster Mr. Bitter for going 2/6, including a bizarre pick for Cure to win in a match between Serral and Neeb (okay, this was probably a production error, but we'd rather believe that he's just that big of a Cure fan).

*Please DM Waxangel for sponsorship opportunities

Week 2 Preview: The Quadrant of Death

Matches begin at 13:00 GMT (+00:00) on Saturday and Sunday.

The clear highlight of Week 2 is the Reynor-Dark-Cure-Clem portion of the bracket, which will have a huge impact on the championship picture.

Clem vs Cure, in particular, is a match-up of immense importance. As we've mentioned many times before, while Clem's absurdly good TvZ (the single highest rated player match-up on Aligulac.com at nearly 3500 points) allowed him to conquer Europe, his comparatively weak TvT and TvP have held him back in international competitions. Consider this worst-case scenario for Clem: he loses to Cure in the upper-bracket on Saturday, and proceeds to get eliminated from the lower bracket by Neeb (who would have to beat Armani) on Sunday. Sure, it's not likely, but is it that implausible given Clem's past record?

While Dark and Reynor certainly have the personalities to call out Clem on air, one has to think they'd internally breathe a sigh of relief if Clem dropped out of the winners bracket. They'd still face difficult matches against Cure, and then Zest or Trap in the winners, but those matches seem much more palatable than taking on Clem in his current TvZ form.

On the other hand, a victory from Clem would open up an entire new world of delicious possibilities, like a DHM Europe rematch against Reynor (which could deliver the best series of the tournament), or a potential statement match against Trap where he emphatically washes off that 'weak against Protoss' stigma.

But that's enough future speculation for now—time to appreciate the match-ups that are already guaranteed!

Reynor vs Dark is one of the burgeoning rivalries of StarCraft II, and not just because of both players' willingness to trash-talk each other. Their last two meetings resulted in five-game classics, with Dark prevailing back in TSL6 while Reynor won with a dramatic reverse-sweep at IEM Katowice 2021. Of course, Dark crushed Reynor 4-1 in the grand finals of BlizzCon 2019—but that painful loss seems to get Reynor fired up for each subsequent match. There will be no love lost between these two—I just hope we get a special pre-match edition of the SecretLab™ Hot Seat where the two players tell us how they really feel about each other.

As for Clem vs Cure, you have to be excited for any elite-tier TvT in StarCraft II. Regular TL.net readers will know we often argue that TvT, not TvZ, is the pinnacle of competitive StarCraft II, and both Clem and Cure have played games that support that notion. The two players have perfectly even records against each other in 2021, tied at 2-2 in matches and 10-10 in map score. The only worry is that the current TvT meta features a lot of early-game gambits which can result in one-sided build order wins. So, in an unusual role reversal, the marquee ZvZ might actually have more chance to live up to the hype than the TvT.

Down in the lower bracket, Serral and whoever drops down from Cure/Clem and Reynor/Dark appear to be the obvious favorites to survive until week three. At this point, it's starting to feel like this could end up being the most predictable TSL to date, with the exact top six of the TL.net Power Rank making it to the third and final week. But for the sake of keeping things interesting, let's consider a couple of players who could shake things up in week two (incidentally, they're also the next players down in the Power Rank).

Zoun certainly has the potential to keep the tradition of TSL upsets alive. The fast-rising Protoss player took reverse-sweep wins off both Dark and Rogue in GSL Super Tournament 2—Serral might just be the next legendary Zerg head he adds to his collection. On the other hand, Zoun's PvZ strategy hand might have already run empty after playing several high-profile PvZ matches over the past month, and he could be surprisingly easy pickings for a well-prepared Serral.

Also, while North American regional champion Neeb ate a deflating first round loss against Serral, he may yet have a chance to prove that he's truly 'back' in the lower bracket. Sure, non-American fans may scoff at his 23-3 map record in the NA regional, saying it was inflated by playing against inferior opposition (actually, self-flagellating NA fans are liable to say this as well). However, a loss to Serral is hardly a reason to slam the brakes on the hype, especially not for NA's most successful international player of all time. An in-form Neeb has the potential to survive the weekend and reach the final week of play.




Writer: Wax
Images: TeamLiquid
Statistics and records: Liquipedia and Aligulac.com

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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 17 2021 23:55 GMT
#2
We'll see if it's the Cure from NeXT that shows up or the Cure from GSL. As for Clem he has two TvTs to prepare for (since he faces Maru in NeXT a couple days later), so I wonder how that affects his choice of builds.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-18 10:16:00
June 18 2021 00:10 GMT
#3
With two very strong tvz terran with a weaker tvp, it look like the path to the final is wide open for Trap.
On the other side, if there's a path toward greatness for Clem that's probably the bracket to do it, a top player of every race then a strong final.

It should be a very interesting weekend in any situation, we are switching to bo7 for the final week, could mean some trouble for the tosses.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Neuling
Profile Joined October 2013
Germany45 Posts
June 18 2021 07:34 GMT
#4
maybe just a typo, but Serral did win a map to Zest right?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33383 Posts
June 18 2021 07:44 GMT
#5
On June 18 2021 16:34 Neuling wrote:
maybe just a typo, but Serral did win a map to Zest right?


whoops
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shadow4723
Profile Joined October 2018
87 Posts
June 18 2021 08:04 GMT
#6
Clem is gonna lose vs Cure but hes gonna come back to win the tournament
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-18 08:37:00
June 18 2021 08:36 GMT
#7
On June 18 2021 08:30 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
Down in the lower bracket, Serral and whoever drops down from Cure/Clem and Reynor/Dark appear to be the obvious favorites to survive until week three. At this point, it's starting to feel like this could end up being the most predictable TSL to date, with the exact top six of the TL.net Power Rank making it to the third and final week. But for the sake of keeping things interesting, let's consider a couple of players who could shake things up in week two (incidentally, they're also the next players down in the Power Rank).

If Neeb wins vs Armani and Clem loses to Cure there's a good chance that Clem just gets eliminated by Neeb
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4937 Posts
June 18 2021 08:45 GMT
#8
Im with the OP, ZvZ is going to be epic. TvT is going to be proxy reaper galore.
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vyzion
Profile Joined August 2016
308 Posts
June 18 2021 14:42 GMT
#9
Great write up, looking forward to the weekend of games!
tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States362 Posts
June 19 2021 03:37 GMT
#10
There are some really great mirror matchups this upcoming TSL7 weekend of games.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
June 19 2021 12:20 GMT
#11
On June 18 2021 17:36 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2021 08:30 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
Down in the lower bracket, Serral and whoever drops down from Cure/Clem and Reynor/Dark appear to be the obvious favorites to survive until week three. At this point, it's starting to feel like this could end up being the most predictable TSL to date, with the exact top six of the TL.net Power Rank making it to the third and final week. But for the sake of keeping things interesting, let's consider a couple of players who could shake things up in week two (incidentally, they're also the next players down in the Power Rank).

If Neeb wins vs Armani and Clem loses to Cure there's a good chance that Clem just gets eliminated by Neeb


Neeb has never been known for his PvT, I don't think he would welcome the challenge, it's not like Clem tvp is bad either.
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-19 15:21:41
June 19 2021 15:18 GMT
#12
On June 19 2021 21:20 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2021 17:36 AzAlexZ wrote:
On June 18 2021 08:30 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
Down in the lower bracket, Serral and whoever drops down from Cure/Clem and Reynor/Dark appear to be the obvious favorites to survive until week three. At this point, it's starting to feel like this could end up being the most predictable TSL to date, with the exact top six of the TL.net Power Rank making it to the third and final week. But for the sake of keeping things interesting, let's consider a couple of players who could shake things up in week two (incidentally, they're also the next players down in the Power Rank).

If Neeb wins vs Armani and Clem loses to Cure there's a good chance that Clem just gets eliminated by Neeb


Neeb has never been known for his PvT, I don't think he would welcome the challenge, it's not like Clem tvp is bad either.

yeah but have you seen his record vs Clem? Neeb is 7-2 against Clem
also his alternative is Cure, so I think Neeb would probably want Clem more than Cure
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