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TSL6 - Invitees, Prize Pool, EPT Points

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TSL6 - Invitees, Prize Pool, EPT Points

Text byJulmust
Graphics bySalon Alpin
November 20th, 2020 18:52 GMT
TSL6 Logo

We’re getting ever closer to December and we’re working at a feverish pace behind the scenes to make sure that TSL6 is as great as it can possibly be. And there’s some key information we still haven’t shared with the community, namely the number of EPT points we’ve been allotted, what the final prize pool will be, and who we’ve chosen to invite to this event.

Invitees
Other than increasing the amount of invites for TSL6, we didn’t change much in terms of the process of inviting players. We, of course, had a chat with ESL about how to do it in a fair way as we definitely don’t want it to seem like we’re playing favorites here. Together we agreed that the best way to invite players was to do what we did last year: use EPT points and a 50/50 split between Korea and the rest of the world. Since we needed to get the invites out the door in time, in case anyone declined, we pulled the EPT points given out from finished tournaments on the 2nd of November and used that as a basis. And we’re elated to announce that these will be the invited players for TSL6:

Korean invitees
RogueTYMaruZest

Non-Korean invitees
ReynorSerralClemSpeCial

Prize pool
TSL5 was one of the biggest 3rd party events of 2020. That also means that we had to match the prize pool for TSL6. So we talked to our wonderful partners for the event, and they agreed. That’s why we’re happy to announce that we’ve secured $30,000, again, for the TSL6 prize pool. And for those of you wondering about how that breaks down, here’s a summary:

Prize Pool
1st$6,000
2nd$4,000
3rd$3,000
4th$2,000
5th - 6th$1,500
7th - 8th$1,200
9th - 12th$900
13th - 16th$600
17th - 32nd$225

Those with a keen eye will have noticed that the percentages, compared to TSL5, are a bit lower for the top tier and higher for the mid to low finishers. That’s simply because we want to spread the love a bit more evenly. We still think the winner will be very happy with his, or her, share.

EPT Points
Getting EPT points for TSL6 is, to us, as important as securing a big prize pool. We want to be a major event on the StarCraft 2 calendar and without EPT points that’s not going to happen. We had a chat with ESL and they were happy to hand out some points to our players. It’s not free points, though. Players will still have to survive the first round of the tournament if they want a gift from ESL under the tree. Here’s a breakdown of the point allotment for TSL6.

EPT Point Distribution
1st250
2nd180
3rd140
4th110
5th - 6th85
7th - 8th65
9th - 12th45
13th - 16th25
17th - 32nd0

The info about the qualifiers for TSL6 has been posted in it's own thread. You can find that thread here.

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lex_GrizzlyTO
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Mexico2 Posts
November 20 2020 18:56 GMT
#2
Really excited about this event! Thank you Shopify for giving love to this community.
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Liquid`MaNa
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland105 Posts
November 20 2020 18:58 GMT
#3
225 points just for qualifying!
6000 points for the 1st place finisher! :O
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Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
November 20 2020 18:58 GMT
#4
On November 21 2020 03:58 Liquid`MaNa wrote:
225 points just for qualifying!
6000 points for the 1st place finisher! :O

Yeah, we're really looking to make an impact with these point totals

(thanks for pointing it out, fixed now)
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Liquid`MaNa
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland105 Posts
November 20 2020 19:01 GMT
#5
That's better! Hoping to get some of these crucial EPT points.
Team Liquid
Borsti
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany79 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-20 19:08:07
November 20 2020 19:07 GMT
#6
The list of invited players is amazing as usual. Though I would have preferred if you had gone by GSL S3 / DH Winter Results instead of the overall Standings.

Stats and Armani have been delivering great games in Korea and it would have been great to see those results be rewarded with a seed. But overall it's of course still a fair way to distribute the seeds and I wish all players best of luck!

Edit: Spelling
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
November 20 2020 20:01 GMT
#7
This may be the best prize distribution I've seen for any Starcraft event ever, good job
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-20 20:22:53
November 20 2020 20:21 GMT
#8
Using EPT points for invites is very strange given how each region has their own events and amounts of points allocated. In a system like that, is the amount of points that Special has relative to Astrea/Heromarine/TIME at all meaningful? Not really.

Not a fan that TSL and Asus ROG are both using it for invites.
shadow4723
Profile Joined October 2018
87 Posts
November 20 2020 20:59 GMT
#9
One of these invitees is not like the others...
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
November 20 2020 21:02 GMT
#10
On November 21 2020 05:59 shadow4723 wrote:
One of these invitees is not like the others...


Special has more points than heromarine, another advantage of him playing Latam and qualifying for the season finals over and over again. Hoopefully next year it goes back to normal
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
November 20 2020 21:32 GMT
#11
Zest invited by EPT points? Since he's #7 instead of #4, I guess that means Inno, Stats, and Trap all declined their invites?
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hjpalpha
Profile Joined August 2017
Germany339 Posts
November 20 2020 21:35 GMT
#12
On November 21 2020 05:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Using EPT points for invites is very strange given how each region has their own events and amounts of points allocated. In a system like that, is the amount of points that Special has relative to Astrea/Heromarine/TIME at all meaningful? Not really.

Not a fan that TSL and Asus ROG are both using it for invites.


ESL forces that mode for the events to get EPT pts
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10248 Posts
November 21 2020 01:54 GMT
#13
TL's hidden agenda is to make TY stop streaming BW, confirmed.

All jokes aside, happy for TL and wish everyone best of luck in this tour.
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Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
1004 Posts
November 21 2020 02:24 GMT
#14
Awesome line up besides Special who is almost certainly going to be annihilated.

Special is a great SC2 player, but Rogue, Serral, Zest? Lol talk about some high level competition

Big thanks to the sponsors as well, thanks for making this happen.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
November 21 2020 06:48 GMT
#15
Interesting that TY accepted TSL but declined Asus ROG.
Both have the same 1st place price, but Asus is way WAY more top heavy. That either means, he isn t very confident or that he has some non sc2 commitments for Asus Rog.
Also I absolutly hatte step price Pool distributions, especially when people, Who qualified for the tournament Don t get paid, so good Job TL this looks realy realy good
MaxPax
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-21 08:29:16
November 21 2020 08:25 GMT
#16
On November 21 2020 15:48 dbRic1203 wrote:
Interesting that TY accepted TSL but declined Asus ROG.
Both have the same 1st place price, but Asus is way WAY more top heavy. That either means, he isn t very confident or that he has some non sc2 commitments for Asus Rog.
Also I absolutly hatte step price Pool distributions, especially when people, Who qualified for the tournament Don t get paid, so good Job TL this looks realy realy good

ASUS ROG partially overlaps with the BW tournament TY has been practicing for (date wise anyway I'm not 100% sure time wise), TSL doesn't.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4958 Posts
November 21 2020 19:02 GMT
#17
Interesting to see if Koreans will step up their play in this event.

Thanks Shopify for making this possible!!!!!
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 21 2020 21:45 GMT
#18
On November 22 2020 04:02 Argonauta wrote:
Interesting to see if Koreans will step up their play in this event.

Thanks Shopify for making this possible!!!!!

I can't say why but I think it won't happen.
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GameLocalizer
Profile Joined November 2020
9 Posts
December 03 2020 02:48 GMT
#19
That’s simply because we want to spread the love a bit more evenly. We still think the winner will be very happy with his, or her, share.


Shopify being insensitive to they & them?

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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-03 07:41:42
December 03 2020 07:41 GMT
#20
On November 21 2020 06:32 pvsnp wrote:
Zest invited by EPT points? Since he's #7 instead of #4, I guess that means Inno, Stats, and Trap all declined their invites?


Hmm... but all three are playing in the qualifiers?

(And for some reason, Inno forfeited after going down 0-1 vs Creator in Qualifier 1 and not playing in Qualifier 2 - so he's out entirely?)

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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7006 Posts
December 03 2020 09:27 GMT
#21
On December 03 2020 16:41 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2020 06:32 pvsnp wrote:
Zest invited by EPT points? Since he's #7 instead of #4, I guess that means Inno, Stats, and Trap all declined their invites?


Hmm... but all three are playing in the qualifiers?

(And for some reason, Inno forfeited after going down 0-1 vs Creator in Qualifier 1 and not playing in Qualifier 2 - so he's out entirely?)

https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid_StarLeague/6/Korea


They all scored some points since then (November 2nd) , but I dont think that makes that much difference.
Maybe they wanted some money after all?
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
December 03 2020 10:30 GMT
#22
On December 03 2020 18:27 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2020 16:41 RKC wrote:
On November 21 2020 06:32 pvsnp wrote:
Zest invited by EPT points? Since he's #7 instead of #4, I guess that means Inno, Stats, and Trap all declined their invites?


Hmm... but all three are playing in the qualifiers?

(And for some reason, Inno forfeited after going down 0-1 vs Creator in Qualifier 1 and not playing in Qualifier 2 - so he's out entirely?)

https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid_StarLeague/6/Korea


They all scored some points since then (November 2nd) , but I dont think that makes that much difference.
Maybe they wanted some money after all?

Appearently the seeding is meantto be done by Global Points.
It still doesn t make sense, as that should mean, Inno is invited instead of TY.
TL,DR: there was probably a mistake made in the seeding and invitation process or a Buch of Players forfeit their invites
MaxPax
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2020 11:40 GMT
#23
On December 03 2020 19:30 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2020 18:27 Harris1st wrote:
On December 03 2020 16:41 RKC wrote:
On November 21 2020 06:32 pvsnp wrote:
Zest invited by EPT points? Since he's #7 instead of #4, I guess that means Inno, Stats, and Trap all declined their invites?


Hmm... but all three are playing in the qualifiers?

(And for some reason, Inno forfeited after going down 0-1 vs Creator in Qualifier 1 and not playing in Qualifier 2 - so he's out entirely?)

https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid_StarLeague/6/Korea


They all scored some points since then (November 2nd) , but I dont think that makes that much difference.
Maybe they wanted some money after all?

Appearently the seeding is meantto be done by Global Points.
It still doesn t make sense, as that should mean, Inno is invited instead of TY.
TL,DR: there was probably a mistake made in the seeding and invitation process or a Buch of Players forfeit their invites

Why Inno over TY? TY has shitload of points because he won Code S1 and 3, wtf? Like you wanna ignore the Korean points in the KOREAN INVITES?
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-03 12:04:30
December 03 2020 12:04 GMT
#24
On December 03 2020 20:40 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2020 19:30 dbRic1203 wrote:
On December 03 2020 18:27 Harris1st wrote:
On December 03 2020 16:41 RKC wrote:
On November 21 2020 06:32 pvsnp wrote:
Zest invited by EPT points? Since he's #7 instead of #4, I guess that means Inno, Stats, and Trap all declined their invites?


Hmm... but all three are playing in the qualifiers?

(And for some reason, Inno forfeited after going down 0-1 vs Creator in Qualifier 1 and not playing in Qualifier 2 - so he's out entirely?)

https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid_StarLeague/6/Korea


They all scored some points since then (November 2nd) , but I dont think that makes that much difference.
Maybe they wanted some money after all?

Appearently the seeding is meantto be done by Global Points.
It still doesn t make sense, as that should mean, Inno is invited instead of TY.
TL,DR: there was probably a mistake made in the seeding and invitation process or a Buch of Players forfeit their invites

Why Inno over TY? TY has shitload of points because he won Code S1 and 3, wtf? Like you wanna ignore the Korean points in the KOREAN INVITES?

Because they said, that seeding is done via Global points only. That would also explain, why Zest gets invited over Stats.
Obviously it would 100% male sense to use the normal standing for Korea anyways.
BUT neither method would yield the invited players:
Kr + Global points:
1 TY 2962
2 Rogue 2660
3 Maru 2260
4 Stats 2045
(7) Zest 1715

Global points only:
1 Rogue 1455
2 Maru 1135
3 Zest 1035
4 Inno 955
(8) TY 622
MaxPax
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-03 12:23:13
December 03 2020 12:19 GMT
#25
I don't see anything saying the invites were done by just Global points though. The non-Korean side of that adds up as well, Reynor, Serral, Clem and Special have the most points if you throw all foreigners into one interregional standing. But that doesn't really explain Zest as long as nobody forfeited their spots, then later decided to play anyway.

Also the points you're using are wrong because the cut-off date for invites was November 2. But I'm pretty sure that that doesn't push Zest up 4 places either.
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
December 03 2020 12:30 GMT
#26
On December 03 2020 21:19 Elentos wrote:
I don't see anything saying the invites were done by just Global points though. The non-Korean side of that adds up as well, Reynor, Serral, Clem and Special have the most points if you throw all foreigners into one interregional standing. But that doesn't really explain Zest as long as nobody forfeited their spots, then later decided to play anyway.

Also the points you're using are wrong because the cut-off date for invites was November 2. But I'm pretty sure that that doesn't push Zest up 4 places either.

Yeah, someone else just told me that as well.
But as you said, ASUS ROG didn t change anything in either standing.
MaxPax
HeroSandro
Profile Joined July 2019
532 Posts
December 04 2020 11:00 GMT
#27
I like the flat prize money distribution!
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
December 04 2020 11:22 GMT
#28
On December 04 2020 20:00 HeroSandro wrote:
I like the flat prize money distribution!

Yeah its about 1000 x better than ASUS Rog or 99% of the Chinese tournaments.
MaxPax
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7006 Posts
December 04 2020 12:34 GMT
#29
Where is my seeding for tomorrow?

It can't possible be that someone has something better to do than the seeding for TSL!
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
December 04 2020 14:53 GMT
#30
On December 04 2020 21:34 Harris1st wrote:
Where is my seeding for tomorrow?

It can't possible be that someone has something better to do than the seeding for TSL!

Breaket is out within the next hour afaik
MaxPax
126
Profile Joined October 2017
11 Posts
December 04 2020 15:55 GMT
#31
inno miss
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
December 04 2020 17:20 GMT
#32
*Insert impatient waiting gif
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-04 19:21:46
December 04 2020 18:03 GMT
#33
On December 04 2020 23:53 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2020 21:34 Harris1st wrote:
Where is my seeding for tomorrow?

It can't possible be that someone has something better to do than the seeding for TSL!

Breaket is out within the next hour afaik

This aged great
E.: out now
MaxPax
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
December 04 2020 19:26 GMT
#34
What a bracket ey, shame so many good players will drop out with no loser bracket protecting them in R1. But as last time with Tsl, should see a lot of surpises happen
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-04 19:39:52
December 04 2020 19:38 GMT
#35
It's a legitimate question whether the GSL champion will survive the opening round. If he does he's probably going to the loser bracket right after.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-04 20:01:51
December 04 2020 20:01 GMT
#36
The tournament is super stacked, it's a GSL ro16 without Inno(and maybe sOs) plus the best foreign players(with the notable absence of TIME, Scarlett and MaNa).

The loser bracket starting after ro32, however, turns great matchups into terrible ones: Byun vs Clem and Neeb vs Showtime especially, imho.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 04 2020 20:04 GMT
#37
Is TY still playing mostly BW or did he switch back to SC2?
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
December 04 2020 20:06 GMT
#38
On December 05 2020 04:38 Elentos wrote:
It's a legitimate question whether the GSL champion will survive the opening round. If he does he's probably going to the loser bracket right after.

I m confident in Max
He has plenty of Material to prepare thanks to Hurricane and TY didn t look to hot there..
MaxPax
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1841 Posts
December 04 2020 20:09 GMT
#39
On November 21 2020 03:58 Julmust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2020 03:58 Liquid`MaNa wrote:
225 points just for qualifying!
6000 points for the 1st place finisher! :O

Yeah, we're really looking to make an impact with these point totals

(thanks for pointing it out, fixed now)


do invitees get 225 points for "qualifying" ?
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-04 20:19:28
December 04 2020 20:15 GMT
#40
On December 05 2020 05:04 deacon.frost wrote:
Is TY still playing mostly BW or did he switch back to SC2?

The BW tournament he was playing in ended yesterday so he could be back to playing more SC2 at this point but definitely not like a GSL title is on the line. And really he's not gonna look into MaxPax's style which will make it much harder when he's already not in shape.
On December 05 2020 05:09 CicadaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2020 03:58 Julmust wrote:
On November 21 2020 03:58 Liquid`MaNa wrote:
225 points just for qualifying!
6000 points for the 1st place finisher! :O

Yeah, we're really looking to make an impact with these point totals

(thanks for pointing it out, fixed now)


do invitees get 225 points for "qualifying" ?

225 is prize money, not EPT points. Would be hilarious though if the 8 invited players got 225 points and the tournament champion only 250.
On December 05 2020 05:01 Xain0n wrote:
The loser bracket starting after ro32, however, turns great matchups into terrible ones: Byun vs Clem and Neeb vs Showtime especially, imho.

Yeah that worked out really bad. Also went unfortunately for many people still fighting for a Katowice spot (e. g. Byun or Lambo).
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 04 2020 21:27 GMT
#41
On December 05 2020 05:15 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2020 05:04 deacon.frost wrote:
Is TY still playing mostly BW or did he switch back to SC2?

The BW tournament he was playing in ended yesterday so he could be back to playing more SC2 at this point but definitely not like a GSL title is on the line. And really he's not gonna look into MaxPax's style which will make it much harder when he's already not in shape.
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2020 05:09 CicadaSC wrote:
On November 21 2020 03:58 Julmust wrote:
On November 21 2020 03:58 Liquid`MaNa wrote:
225 points just for qualifying!
6000 points for the 1st place finisher! :O

Yeah, we're really looking to make an impact with these point totals

(thanks for pointing it out, fixed now)


do invitees get 225 points for "qualifying" ?

225 is prize money, not EPT points. Would be hilarious though if the 8 invited players got 225 points and the tournament champion only 250.
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2020 05:01 Xain0n wrote:
The loser bracket starting after ro32, however, turns great matchups into terrible ones: Byun vs Clem and Neeb vs Showtime especially, imho.

Yeah that worked out really bad. Also went unfortunately for many people still fighting for a Katowice spot (e. g. Byun or Lambo).

Well, at least TY has nothing to lose
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