EPTOne thing for sure is that Cure will gain lots of new fans because overall he had really strong presence in the whole GSL Season 1 in every match.
TY defeats Cure, wins Code S Season 1 championship (2020)…
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Veluvian
Bulgaria256 Posts
One thing for sure is that Cure will gain lots of new fans because overall he had really strong presence in the whole GSL Season 1 in every match. | ||
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RKC
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Maybe even in TY's mind, he had the positional and compositional advantage in those games. So he wasn't really 'behind' after all. Almost like some chess grandmaster losing pieces all over the board, his opponent grinning in confidence, and then finally reveals his masterstroke in 2-3 moves - CHECKMATE! | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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dysenterymd
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26132 Posts
On June 08 2020 12:23 pvsnp wrote: On Nightshade, Inno scv scouted but was blocked by Cure's early depot. He had zero information when he started his third, and zero ways of getting information unless you think burning a scan at 2:25 is a reasonable thing to do. His reaper scout was stopped by a few marines. He did see the push coming, but by then it was obviously too late. It's also worth noting that Cure did not scout at all, but committed to a blind 1-base attack. Not sure how you can chalk that win down to anything except pure BO luck. On Simulacrum, there may have been slight differences due to CC or reactor timing, but their armies were exactly the same (1 medivac, 3 hellions, 5 reapers). Cure was also building a cyclone instead of a tank, and his attack hit ~5 seconds earlier. Everything snowballed from there, with Cure's cyclone and 4 marines coming out and pushing back the attack whereas Inno's 2 marines were killed at the start and his tank and next 2 marines never finished. Again, a perfect example of BO luck. Inno even scv scouted while Cure attacked completely blind. Cure gambled with 2 blind attacks, and the coin came up heads both times. A win is a win, and Cure got his, but getting lucky is hardly the mark of superior skill. RNGesus smiled on Cure during the semis, and he won 2 games because of it. That's not to say Inno played perfectly, but there are mistakes of skill and then there are mistakes of chance. I mean, Tastosis even said as much during the cast. And of course Artosis, ZG, etc followed up during the Pylon Show that I already mentioned. Inno was the better player that day, but Cure was the luckier player. And sometimes that's all you need. I largely agree with your analysis of the actual series, do think there tends to be a bit of bias sometimes. The greater player has such moves attributed to prep, a great build game sense or killer instinct, the less prestige player it’s seen through the lens of luck. This isn’t to say luck should be discounted in analysis, but I felt that bias really really seeped into the cast to the degree even I found it irritating, and I wanted Inno to take it. Inno is historically the accomplished player but Cure’s had a great year so far and while I don’t think either player brought their 100% A game, whatever % of their power level they brought to bear seemed pretty evenly matched on the day. It’s a fine line I guess between this is a tight contest and Inno’s had the worse rub of the green in terms of luck vs ‘Inno is outplaying Cure here’ being repeated constantly. TY on the other hand did smash Cure on the day, although it wasn’t a complete walkover. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Elentos
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On June 08 2020 12:23 pvsnp wrote: On Simulacrum, there may have been slight differences due to CC or reactor timing, but their armies were exactly the same (1 medivac, 3 hellions, 5 reapers). Well their armies would have been the same but Inno left his 4th and 5th reaper in the middle of the map until the end of the game robbing himself of any chance to even get a draw. We can call this whole series of events luck for Cure but I prefer to just say Inno played a really shit game 3 after a stellar game 2. On the plus side TY really left no room for debate in the finals. | ||
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seopthi
393 Posts
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/gteqoh/gsl_ty_vs_parting_ro4_tys_review_translation_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/gydpzr/gsl_finals_ty_vs_cure_tys_review_translation_in/ | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1702 Posts
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Slydie
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On Nightshade, Inno scv scouted but was blocked by Cure's early depot. He had zero information when he started his third, and zero ways of getting information unless you think burning a scan at 2:25 is a reasonable thing to do. His reaper scout was stopped by a few marines. He did see the push coming, but by then it was obviously too late. It's also worth noting that Cure did not scout at all, but committed to a blind 1-base attack. Not sure how you can chalk that win down to anything except pure BO luck. I disagree here. Going for early 3cc by Inno was a major mistake. He should know he was the stronger lategame player, and should just have played it as safe possible to get there every game. Even falling slightly behind if Cure went for greed should not be an issue. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On June 09 2020 04:14 seopthi wrote: Just fyi, TY reviewed his games against Parting and Cure, which are translated here. Highly recommended! https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/gteqoh/gsl_ty_vs_parting_ro4_tys_review_translation_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/gydpzr/gsl_finals_ty_vs_cure_tys_review_translation_in/ Thanks! Such great insights on how so many things didn't go according to plan in the Finals, and how TY had to adjust on the fly. Goes to show how top-level matches are often decided by 'clutch' moments of brilliance, as well as 'intuitive' understanding of the game at a deeper level (seeing pathways others can't see). The games went off the beaten track, and TY's mastery prevailed in the end. TY seems to be humble and modest guy as well. Of all top Terrans, I would still rate him as having the 'biggest' brain. The practice partner pick is a nice tidbit. Shows that there's some gentleman's agreement going on between top Korean pros - training partners are not wholly decided on personal relationships. Would TY had picked Maru as well had he won the rock-scissors-paper contest? TY showed some Maru-like 'clutch' moves during the Finals with his drops and timing attacks. I think TY would've benefited more training with Inno since they both share the same 'analytical' play-style anyway. | ||
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gpanda
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On June 07 2020 23:58 pvsnp wrote: Online tournaments mean nothing compared to GSL matches. Just ask Inno, who beat Cure 3-1 online but lost in GSL. On the Pylon Show, Artosis and ZG agreed in no uncertain terms that Inno played better than Cure and should've been in the finals. Incidentally, Maynarde also predicted that Cure's losses would snowball because emotions would be his downfall. you could check the match records between ty and maru， ty and inno，esp. those of recent years，then you will know who is the TvT king and who keeps being the top 2 Terran players no matter how a patch meta changes since LotV. Byun TY, Inno TY, Maru TY, Cure TY, see? | ||
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gpanda
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On June 09 2020 06:19 ShowTheLights wrote: Waste of a finals. Inno would have made this a much better finals No, Inno would have got a quicker and easier 0:4 than Cure, considering TY failed to pull off his tactic proxy openings in game 2 & 4 due to scv’s meeting with Cure. | ||
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