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Death Becomes D - Code S Group Selections (2020 S1)

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Death Becomes D - Code S Group Selections (2020 S1)

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May 1st, 2020 10:20 GMT

2020 Code S Season 1:
The Ro16 Group Selection Ceremony

by Wax

As you delve deeper into any fandom, you discover there's an important line that ends up being crossed. It's the line where the surrounding talk, gossip, and human relationships of the performers becomes almost as interesting as the art itself (be it movies, music, or professional video games). For those of us who have reached crossed that point of no return in StarCraft II esports, the GSL group selection ceremony is our holy grail of entertainment.

It's a reality show that forces the players to compete outside the game, all so that they might gain the smallest of advantages in the round of sixteen. All those skills they spent thousands of hours practicing inside StarCraft—manipulation, deception, prediction, misdirection—must be applied, but without the intermediary devices of keyboards and mice.

Let's take a look at what happened at the most recent Group Selection ceremony, which took place on April 29th.

2020 Global StarCraft II League Season 1 - Code S


THE RULES
• The top four players from the 2019 season of GSL are seeded into separate groups (in A-D-C-B order by rank).
• First four picks are made in order of seeding (A-D-C-B order).
• Remaining eight picks are made in "snake draft" order, starting from Group D (D-C-B-A-A-B-C-D).
• After all picks are made, the #1 seed can swap any player in his group for a non-seeded player in another group.

THE PICKS - (pick order in parentheses).

Group A: Dark -> (1) TaeJa --> (8) Scarlett -> (7, SWAP) Dear
Group B: TY ---> (4) Solar --> (9, SWAP) Stats -> (10) Cure
Group C: Trap -> (3) Bunny -> (6) PartinG ----> (11) soO
Group D: Maru -> (2) RagnaroK -> (5) INnoVatioN -> (12) Zest

If this still leaves you utterly confused, don't worry: that's how everyone feels.



The full Group Nomination VODs


The Best Video Segment Ever?

Stop right there! Before you continue scrolling down, go to the 35:45 mark of the Group Selection video and watch the rapid-fire interview section.. In fact, watch that seven-minute segment before you watch or play any more actual StarCraft II.

GSL has done several of these kind of Q&A-style videos before, but this one was the spiciest one of all. Maybe it reflects the changing nature of the scene—all the players are familiar with each other because they've all been around forever, so there's no politeness, manners, or hurt feelings to consider like there might have been in the KeSPA days. For the most part, they're ready to let loose and call each other out on their BS, both inside and outside the game.

Here are some highlights:

Who is the worst (best) race abuser?: TL.net readers are still angry about the Zergs of 2019, but progamers took a more big-picture view by largely picking strategic (pronounced "cheesy") Protoss players as the worst race-abusers. (Wiki)Classic and (Wiki)sOs split most of the votes, which was a testament to their ability to craft builds and drive their opponents insane over the years. It was amusing to see (Wiki)PartinG get a few votes—he might have been called the weakest Protoss during the actual group selection, but it sure seemed like no one actually enjoyed playing against him.

Who should go to the military?: I was surprised to see a handful of guys single out (Wiki)Solar as someone who needed to go to military to learn some manners. Then again, I could envision him as the endearing brat type.

As we all know, streamer-(Wiki)PartinG is an exaggerated character being played on camera for entertainment purposes—unless you're (Wiki)Kiwian, who seemingly has to experience this PartinG in real life. PartinG's frenemy prescribed a unique cure to the Big Boy's unique 'condition.'

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The best answer, however, went to (Wiki)sOs, who said he wanted everyone to F off to the military already (okay, maybe not in those exact words), so he could usher in a new era of Code S featuring sOs versus 23 amateurs.

Most underrated: This one drew the most wide range of answers and was actually interesting for competitive reasons. (Wiki)Cure and (Wiki)Solar were named a lot, which most hardcore fans would have expected from watching them kick-ass in online cups. But (Wiki)DongRaeGu was an out-of-left-field candidate, brought up by soO as a player other Zergs are learning from.

Who's the best Zerg/Terran/Protoss?: (Wiki)Maru was obviously the clear winner in the Terran category, with the exception of SpeCial who picked his friend and mentor TY ("he has class"). (Wiki)sOs and (Wiki)Zest split the Protoss vote, while (Wiki)Dark and (Wiki)Rogue were most named among Zergs. That was a peculiar contrast to IEM Katowice, when most of the progamers responded (Wiki)Serral to a similar question in another, pre-taped Q&A segment. Whadya know, maybe progamers are just as prone to "what have you done for me lately"-type thinking as the fans.

It did make me wish I had a sports debate show to take these answers out of context and argue about it for two hours in the afternoon. "ARE THE KOREANS DISRESPECTING SERRAL?" "THIS IS WHY YOU'RE WRONG, TASTELESS." Wait, maybe there's a market for this...

RagnaroK's Group of Death, feat. PartinG

The biggest story from the group selection was the formation of a killer group of death in Group D. Maru-RagnaroK-INnoVation-Zest.

Now, I saw some people commentating as if (Wiki)RagnaroK's plan was to create a group of death and get swapped out by Dark, but that really wasn't how it went down (though RagnaroK did pitch the idea as a last-minute desperation ploy).

Unfortunately, RagnaroK's actual reasoning didn't make much sense. When it was his turn to pick, he seemed genuinely torn on whether or not to pick (Wiki)PartinG—the weakest player left on the board (besides Scarlett, who Dark had already 'reserved'), but also his good friend outside of StarCraft. Ultimately, RagnaroK couldn't bring himself to pick PartinG into the group of death, prompting an "I raised you well" speech from Parting. What was baffling was RagnaroK's alternate choice: instead of picking the next weakest Protoss (Dear, Stats, or Zest), he picked the strongest Terran left—if not strongest player overall—in INnoVation. It's as if his thought process went "well I couldn't pick my #1 choice, so I guess I'll die."

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Maru can only laugh at RagnaroK's choice.

Funny enough, PartinG was a part of the reason Group D become extra deadly. PartinG, selected to Group C, ended up having the final meaningful pick of the ceremony and was left to choose between soO and Zest. Picking soO would mean sending Zest to Group D by default, further dooming RagnaroK. Of course, PartinG picked the easier opponent in soO. Now, most other players would have made that choice as well, but it was particularly humorous to see PartinG complete the group of death by his own hand, and also repay RagnaroK's mercy with hardship.

Dark Goes Soft

We've groused on several occasions about how the #1 seed in the group selection ceremony has far too much power. Not only does the #1 seed get two picks through the rules, they basically get an indirect third pick because none of the other players can select who they really want for fear of having their pick swap-stolen away (the game theory checks out!).

(Wiki)Dark played this advantage perfectly in the season prior to this one (2019's Season 3), where he assembled an 'easy Terran' trio of KeeN, FanTaSy, and SpeCial in the RO16 and cruised to the playoffs.

Yet, somehow, the infamously ruthless Dark actually showed some sympathy this time around. With everyone in the studio expecting Dark to take (Wiki)Bunny or TaeJa with the first pick, Bunny revealed that he actually felt safe. As it turns out, he had called Dark a week ago, knowing he had his eyes on him. According to Bunny, getting completely crushed by Dark in the 2019 Season 1 quarterfinals was what had caused his long slump (absent from Code S for two seasons), and he swallowed his pride to ask Dark to cut him a break. Surprisingly enough, the grovelling actually had the desired effect (there's a lot of grovelling in the group ceremonies, but it rarely works) of moving Dark's dark heart, and Dark selected TaeJa instead.

Wow, that's a far cry from the Dark of 2019, who said he was relishing the idea of making his enemies suffer when he finally got a chance to exercise the #1 seed's right for the first time in his career! There was another moment of minor mercy from Dark toward the end, where he looked to swap Stats out for an easier opponent. While he could have picked anyone, he honored an earlier agreement by swapping for Dear—not the easiest nor the hardest player—instead of going back on his word.

That's not to say Dark has become a warm and cuddly personality all of the sudden. He had apparently given a hands-off warning to everyone regarding (Wiki)Scarlett, designating the Canadian Zerg has his personal prey to hunt. I guess crushing foreigners is the one sadistic habit Dark will never give-up.

Wait, INnoVation is Actually Confident?

Newer fans of StarCraft II might think of (Wiki)INnoVation as the guy who always whines about Terran being weak. They might not know that once upon a time, he was actually a badass, confident player who showed thinly veiled disdain for lesser opponents. Well, it's hard to blame the fans for not knowing (or simply forgetting), since the last time INnoVation was super-dominant was in 2017—we've only seen the "Terran sucks; nerf Zerg plz" version INnoVation for the last couple of years (he still won WESG anyway).

And so, it was shocking to see the return of swaggering INnoVation, the "I will destroy you" INnoVation, the literal Terminator from the movies INnoVation at the group selections. Before any of the picks were made, INnoVation said he was confident that no one would dare pick him, and that he was destined to end up in Group D as the last pick. That doesn't just signal internal confidence in his skills—it means he already knew everyone else was terrified of him.

RagnaroK ended up making that prediction incorrect by drafting INnoVation to Group D in the middle round of picks (right group, wrong order) but INnoVation took it in stride. His response, to paraphrase, was "Well, I'm going to win the championship anyway, so I might as well destroy everyone in this group first."

Now, we've seen INnoVation dominate and win tournaments when he was whining and exuding a lack of confidence. What the hell do we make of an INnoVation who straight up declared that he's going to win it all? We've learned to verbal bluster with a grain of salt in StarCraft II, but this is so out of character for INnoVation in recent years that you can't help but be intrigued.

Of course, one has to think the recently proposed patch changes could have affected INnoVation's mood. And while consensus seems to be that the changes are quite good for Terran, we have no idea what the timeline would be for the patch going live, or how many of the Terran buffs would actually make it to live untweaked. No, I actually think INnoVation is honestly that confident in his skills with the game in its present state. The RO16's Group D was already must-see StarCraft, but now it's taken on another level of hype.

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Credits and acknowledgements

Writer: Wax
Images & screen captures: AfreecaTV
Statistics: Aligulac.com and Liquipedia

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pvsnp
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Last Edited: 2020-05-01 10:43:51
May 01 2020 10:40 GMT
#2
After watching Inno beat Dark 2-0 in standard macro games an hour ago, I'm think it's safe to say he's not just bragging. The first game lasted 30 minutes and looked like Maru was playing.
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Elentos
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Last Edited: 2020-05-01 11:03:28
May 01 2020 11:00 GMT
#3
On May 01 2020 19:40 pvsnp wrote:
After watching Inno beat Dark 2-0 in standard macro games an hour ago, I'm think it's safe to say he's not just bragging. The first game lasted 30 minutes and looked like Maru was playing.

When Inno is that confident it's not without reason. I think there's not even a handful of players in Code S who worry him too much. Probably just Dark, Maru, TY (I realize the consensus is he's underperforming but nobody in Korea wants to TvT TY) and maybe Trap. Even though he shittalks Trap a lot. Even Zest he's probably only taking half-serious cause he's winning all their online matches.
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BisuDagger
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Bisutopia19231 Posts
May 01 2020 11:40 GMT
#4
Ragnarok for Stats swap would have been contender for GOAT group of death.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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Last Edited: 2020-05-01 11:57:25
May 01 2020 11:56 GMT
#5
On May 01 2020 20:40 BisuDagger wrote:
Ragnarok for Stats swap would have been contender for GOAT group of death.


Parting/Life/Inno/Flash was the true Group of Death imo.

https://tl.net/forum/news-archive/410623-wcs-kr-ro16-group-b-preview-code-a-recap-s1#one
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TheOneAboveU
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Germany3367 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-01 12:18:28
May 01 2020 12:09 GMT
#6
I missed the group selection (it's been waaaaay too long with the big break), always such great fun. Praised be Dark, the most merciful of overlords!
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19231 Posts
May 01 2020 12:14 GMT
#7
On May 01 2020 20:56 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 20:40 BisuDagger wrote:
Ragnarok for Stats swap would have been contender for GOAT group of death.


Parting/Life/Inno/Flash was the true Group of Death imo.

https://tl.net/forum/news-archive/410623-wcs-kr-ro16-group-b-preview-code-a-recap-s1#one

Since that group actually happened, it definitely was a legit group of death. Thanks for sharing! I'm curious what other groups people think would be contenders.
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
May 01 2020 12:45 GMT
#8
On May 01 2020 21:14 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 20:56 pvsnp wrote:
On May 01 2020 20:40 BisuDagger wrote:
Ragnarok for Stats swap would have been contender for GOAT group of death.


Parting/Life/Inno/Flash was the true Group of Death imo.

https://tl.net/forum/news-archive/410623-wcs-kr-ro16-group-b-preview-code-a-recap-s1#one

Since that group actually happened, it definitely was a legit group of death. Thanks for sharing! I'm curious what other groups people think would be contenders.


Maru serral time and stats from last Blizzcon Was beast
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
May 01 2020 12:46 GMT
#9
On May 01 2020 21:14 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 20:56 pvsnp wrote:
On May 01 2020 20:40 BisuDagger wrote:
Ragnarok for Stats swap would have been contender for GOAT group of death.


Parting/Life/Inno/Flash was the true Group of Death imo.

https://tl.net/forum/news-archive/410623-wcs-kr-ro16-group-b-preview-code-a-recap-s1#one

Since that group actually happened, it definitely was a legit group of death. Thanks for sharing! I'm curious what other groups people think would be contenders.


The 2014 group of Zest, Dear, Soulkey and Maru would be up there. The 3 WCS Korea champs from 2013 and Zest who would go on to win that season.
cenflamatty
Profile Joined August 2015
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May 01 2020 13:45 GMT
#10
Group B and D are both really strong. 6 of the 8 players are all finals worthy contenders. Inno needed some change to get him back on top. Maybe expressing his self confidence more is what will help him. Too bad for him Maru is always a step ahead of other players and especially Terrans. I wouldn't be surprised when Maru does something else to change the standard way of playing/thinking this season.
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Profile Joined July 2018
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Last Edited: 2020-05-01 13:59:31
May 01 2020 13:59 GMT
#11
On May 01 2020 19:40 pvsnp wrote:
After watching Inno beat Dark 2-0 in standard macro games an hour ago, I'm think it's safe to say he's not just bragging. The first game lasted 30 minutes and looked like Maru was playing.

hey, where i can find it, please?
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2214 Posts
May 01 2020 14:03 GMT
#12
Fun writeup, thanks.

Go INno!
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Olli
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Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-01 14:14:34
May 01 2020 14:13 GMT
#13
Innovation really isn't just bragging. His play online recently has been amazing. I'd put him, Dark and Maru as favorites to win this season. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if Zest showed up to eliminate either of the Terrans in his group with some preparation. He can essentially all in on PvT practice since he plays Innovation first and almost certainly has to play Maru in the winners match (if he gets there), or Ragnarok -> loser of Innovation/Maru if he loses the first match.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
May 01 2020 15:05 GMT
#14
Ragnarok completely fucked himself. There was a theory in the LR thread that Ragnarok was hoping for Dark to swap him out of that nightmare, and then it didn't happen.

Between Maru, Zest and Innovation any combo of those 3 can realistically advance, there's such a small chance Ragnarok advances over one of them.

Still cheering for Maru.
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IArako
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany195 Posts
May 01 2020 15:08 GMT
#15
Group B and D are so much harder than A and C, of course A was expected since Dark played that out well, but you forgot to mention how Trap quitely managed to get a fairly easy group together.
Was fun to watch as always. Lets go Inno!
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MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
May 01 2020 15:17 GMT
#16
Inno is back in top form, never thought I would see that again.
Group D will be interesting. I think Zest will have a hard time. Could see him cheesing out Inno somehow, but I dont see him beating Maru.
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 01 2020 15:35 GMT
#17
Inno playing well is a true hallmark of #TerranPatch. Maybe he only starts practicing and stops playing LoL when he thinks balance is good for him.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33360 Posts
May 01 2020 15:40 GMT
#18
On May 02 2020 00:05 Vindicare605 wrote:
Ragnarok completely fucked himself. There was a theory in the LR thread that Ragnarok was hoping for Dark to swap him out of that nightmare, and then it didn't happen.


this is addressed directly in the post

do we have to actually enforce the "ban for posting without reading" rules again
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
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Last Edited: 2020-05-01 16:55:40
May 01 2020 16:54 GMT
#19
I feel like groups B and D are just on average always the hardest. D always ends on getting the player nobody else wanted - usually someone really strong - and starts with the 2nd highest seeded player. Meanwhile B doesn't get to choose the weakest player in any round and any weaker player that does end up in group B feels like a shoe-in for the 1st seed swap.
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yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
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May 01 2020 18:31 GMT
#20
On May 01 2020 21:46 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 21:14 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 01 2020 20:56 pvsnp wrote:
On May 01 2020 20:40 BisuDagger wrote:
Ragnarok for Stats swap would have been contender for GOAT group of death.


Parting/Life/Inno/Flash was the true Group of Death imo.

https://tl.net/forum/news-archive/410623-wcs-kr-ro16-group-b-preview-code-a-recap-s1#one

Since that group actually happened, it definitely was a legit group of death. Thanks for sharing! I'm curious what other groups people think would be contenders.


The 2014 group of Zest, Dear, Soulkey and Maru would be up there. The 3 WCS Korea champs from 2013 and Zest who would go on to win that season.

I feel like these two are the obvious GOAT group of death contenders. I slightly favor the Parting/Life/Inno/Flash one simply because of how strong parting + life + inno were, that FlaSh seemed like a clear underdog (and you don't get to say that very often). From what I remember, the second group you mentioned, Dear + SK + Maru were all in somewhat inconsistent phases of their career at that point, so I didn't feel as hyped for that one, but that could be personal preference.
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Latr02
Profile Joined December 2012
United States268 Posts
May 01 2020 18:38 GMT
#21
Terran is in the ascendancy and Inno is talking smack again. Life is good

Definitely one of the best Group Nomination interviews, interesting choice to do it in the same room as the interrogation scene in Casino Royale though.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
May 01 2020 18:44 GMT
#22
On May 01 2020 21:14 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 20:56 pvsnp wrote:
On May 01 2020 20:40 BisuDagger wrote:
Ragnarok for Stats swap would have been contender for GOAT group of death.


Parting/Life/Inno/Flash was the true Group of Death imo.

https://tl.net/forum/news-archive/410623-wcs-kr-ro16-group-b-preview-code-a-recap-s1#one

Since that group actually happened, it definitely was a legit group of death. Thanks for sharing! I'm curious what other groups people think would be contenders.

DRG Rain Taeja Polt when **** walked the Royal Road remains a terrifying group of death in my mind.
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United States10671 Posts
May 01 2020 18:45 GMT
#23
Lets go PartinG! My body is ready for some crazy builds.
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May 01 2020 18:51 GMT
#24
On May 02 2020 00:40 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2020 00:05 Vindicare605 wrote:
Ragnarok completely fucked himself. There was a theory in the LR thread that Ragnarok was hoping for Dark to swap him out of that nightmare, and then it didn't happen.


this is addressed directly in the post

do we have to actually enforce the "ban for posting without reading" rules again


Hey if you wanna make it a crime to read the headline and not the article I can adjust, but you're going to completely ruin the US politics thread.
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LemonyTang
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom428 Posts
May 01 2020 19:53 GMT
#25
Awesome write up Wax, loved it. Can't wait for the groups.
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Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-01 20:11:56
May 01 2020 20:08 GMT
#26
On May 01 2020 22:59 S19Q9A5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 19:40 pvsnp wrote:
After watching Inno beat Dark 2-0 in standard macro games an hour ago, I'm think it's safe to say he's not just bragging. The first game lasted 30 minutes and looked like Maru was playing.

hey, where i can find it, please?

bilibili
It's the netease NEXT team tournament, so its in Chinese. It's the thrid and fifth game.
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Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-01 20:15:05
May 01 2020 20:08 GMT
#27
On May 02 2020 05:08 Howard_Kao wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 22:59 S19Q9A5 wrote:
On May 01 2020 19:40 pvsnp wrote:
After watching Inno beat Dark 2-0 in standard macro games an hour ago, I'm think it's safe to say he's not just bragging. The first game lasted 30 minutes and looked like Maru was playing.

hey, where i can find it, please?

bilibili
It's the netease NEXT team tournament, so its in Chinese

Can i somehow delete my comments as I frequently misclick quote and edit, plz tell me if thats something i can do
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
May 01 2020 21:22 GMT
#28
On May 02 2020 05:08 Howard_Kao wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2020 05:08 Howard_Kao wrote:
On May 01 2020 22:59 S19Q9A5 wrote:
On May 01 2020 19:40 pvsnp wrote:
After watching Inno beat Dark 2-0 in standard macro games an hour ago, I'm think it's safe to say he's not just bragging. The first game lasted 30 minutes and looked like Maru was playing.

hey, where i can find it, please?

bilibili
It's the netease NEXT team tournament, so its in Chinese

Can i somehow delete my comments as I frequently misclick quote and edit, plz tell me if thats something i can do


You can edit your comment and delete all the words so it's just an empty box.
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Ryu3600
Profile Joined January 2016
Canada469 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-01 21:29:01
May 01 2020 21:28 GMT
#29
On May 01 2020 19:40 pvsnp wrote:
After watching Inno beat Dark 2-0 in standard macro games an hour ago, I'm think it's safe to say he's not just bragging. The first game lasted 30 minutes and looked like Maru was playing.


What tournament did inno 2-0 dark in? - SORRY DISREGARD THIS I just saw someone post the link
Maru is the best Terran ever.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
May 01 2020 21:28 GMT
#30
On May 02 2020 06:22 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2020 05:08 Howard_Kao wrote:
On May 02 2020 05:08 Howard_Kao wrote:
On May 01 2020 22:59 S19Q9A5 wrote:
On May 01 2020 19:40 pvsnp wrote:
After watching Inno beat Dark 2-0 in standard macro games an hour ago, I'm think it's safe to say he's not just bragging. The first game lasted 30 minutes and looked like Maru was playing.

hey, where i can find it, please?

bilibili
It's the netease NEXT team tournament, so its in Chinese

Can i somehow delete my comments as I frequently misclick quote and edit, plz tell me if thats something i can do


You can edit your comment and delete all the words so it's just an empty box.


Lots of people should do this very often
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United States1851 Posts
May 02 2020 00:38 GMT
#31
On May 02 2020 03:44 Cricketer12 wrote:
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On May 01 2020 21:14 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 01 2020 20:56 pvsnp wrote:
On May 01 2020 20:40 BisuDagger wrote:
Ragnarok for Stats swap would have been contender for GOAT group of death.


Parting/Life/Inno/Flash was the true Group of Death imo.

https://tl.net/forum/news-archive/410623-wcs-kr-ro16-group-b-preview-code-a-recap-s1#one

Since that group actually happened, it definitely was a legit group of death. Thanks for sharing! I'm curious what other groups people think would be contenders.

DRG Rain Taeja Polt when **** walked the Royal Road remains a terrifying group of death in my mind.


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DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
May 02 2020 01:26 GMT
#32
On May 01 2020 21:14 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 20:56 pvsnp wrote:
On May 01 2020 20:40 BisuDagger wrote:
Ragnarok for Stats swap would have been contender for GOAT group of death.


Parting/Life/Inno/Flash was the true Group of Death imo.

https://tl.net/forum/news-archive/410623-wcs-kr-ro16-group-b-preview-code-a-recap-s1#one

Since that group actually happened, it definitely was a legit group of death. Thanks for sharing! I'm curious what other groups people think would be contenders.

Dark used to create some spicy groups. I think on the theme of family they picked Dark, Classic, soO and InnoVation (with dark eliminated in last place).
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
May 02 2020 01:28 GMT
#33
man I really hope Inno wins this one.
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
May 02 2020 02:20 GMT
#34
On May 01 2020 19:40 pvsnp wrote:
After watching Inno beat Dark 2-0 in standard macro games an hour ago, I'm think it's safe to say he's not just bragging. The first game lasted 30 minutes and looked like Maru was playing.



Wait where was that ? Do you have a link please?
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-02 02:25:02
May 02 2020 02:24 GMT
#35
On May 02 2020 11:20 Mun_Su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 19:40 pvsnp wrote:
After watching Inno beat Dark 2-0 in standard macro games an hour ago, I'm think it's safe to say he's not just bragging. The first game lasted 30 minutes and looked like Maru was playing.



Wait where was that ? Do you have a link please?


https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1WZ4y1s7Yw

Another guy linked it above. Wardi couldn't make it. so there's only Chinese cast,
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
May 02 2020 03:53 GMT
#36
On May 02 2020 09:38 Mizenhauer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2020 03:44 Cricketer12 wrote:
On May 01 2020 21:14 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 01 2020 20:56 pvsnp wrote:
On May 01 2020 20:40 BisuDagger wrote:
Ragnarok for Stats swap would have been contender for GOAT group of death.


Parting/Life/Inno/Flash was the true Group of Death imo.

https://tl.net/forum/news-archive/410623-wcs-kr-ro16-group-b-preview-code-a-recap-s1#one

Since that group actually happened, it definitely was a legit group of death. Thanks for sharing! I'm curious what other groups people think would be contenders.

DRG Rain Taeja Polt when **** walked the Royal Road remains a terrifying group of death in my mind.


Some civilization in the far distant future will sing songs of Crick's enduring effort to preserve DRG's legacy.

<3
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Raxxes
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany64 Posts
May 02 2020 07:29 GMT
#37
What do you guys think?
Can Taeja get out of this.

i am mean summer is coming right?
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
May 02 2020 08:37 GMT
#38
So hyped for this Ro16. There seems to be a very good mood around the whole thing these days, from fans and players alike. A bit sad that the two death groups are NA time tho, will have to catch the vods.

On May 01 2020 19:20 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
As you delve deeper into any fandom, you discover there's an important line that ends up being crossed. It's the line where the surrounding talk, gossip, and human relationships of the performers becomes almost as interesting as the art itself (be it movies, music, or professional video games). For those of us who have reached crossed that point of no return in StarCraft II esports, the GSL group selection ceremony is our holy grail of entertainment.


Indeed. And for us non-Koreans there is the general problem of a lack of access to what these players say, which is often unavailable or only sporadically available through live translations. It's all a big enigmatic, which is why stuff like the subbed vods of TY balance whining or doing predictions is so good. And of course the Code S pre-filmed interviews which are becoming better and better. Several of the 2019 seasons had awesome interviews already in the Ro32.

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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
May 02 2020 08:41 GMT
#39
On May 02 2020 16:29 Raxxes wrote:
What do you guys think?
Can Taeja get out of this.

i am mean summer is coming right?

TaeJa can maybe beat Scarlett but that'd be about it. In his current form he's out of his depth in this round.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-02 10:11:23
May 02 2020 10:06 GMT
#40
On May 02 2020 03:31 yubo56 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2020 21:46 Phredxor wrote:
On May 01 2020 21:14 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 01 2020 20:56 pvsnp wrote:
On May 01 2020 20:40 BisuDagger wrote:
Ragnarok for Stats swap would have been contender for GOAT group of death.


Parting/Life/Inno/Flash was the true Group of Death imo.

https://tl.net/forum/news-archive/410623-wcs-kr-ro16-group-b-preview-code-a-recap-s1#one

Since that group actually happened, it definitely was a legit group of death. Thanks for sharing! I'm curious what other groups people think would be contenders.


The 2014 group of Zest, Dear, Soulkey and Maru would be up there. The 3 WCS Korea champs from 2013 and Zest who would go on to win that season.

I feel like these two are the obvious GOAT group of death contenders. I slightly favor the Parting/Life/Inno/Flash one simply because of how strong parting + life + inno were, that FlaSh seemed like a clear underdog (and you don't get to say that very often). From what I remember, the second group you mentioned, Dear + SK + Maru were all in somewhat inconsistent phases of their career at that point, so I didn't feel as hyped for that one, but that could be personal preference.

The PartinG/INno/Life/Flash group was the most memorable in terms of popularity and hype of the players.

But the Dear, Soulkey, Zest, Maru group was absolutely the GOAT group of death in terms of the level of players at the time. It just wasn't as hype because none of it's players were massive stars in foreign tournaments. Dear was never that popular, Maru and Dear barely played outside of Korea, and no one had quite realised yet that Zest was the best.

You had literally the champions of the last three seasons (Soulkey, Maru, Dear) and then Zest who won that very season. Not to mention Zest and Dear were the #1 and #2 protoss at the time, Maru was absolutely the #1 terran, and Soulkey had been the #1 zerg for almost an entire year.

edit: also massive disappointment that Dark didn't do the Rag/Stats swap. Having literally the two best terran and protoss of all time in the same group would have been historic. You'd be looking at 14 GSL trophies in one group, vs 2/1/0 in the others.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
May 02 2020 11:05 GMT
#41
On May 02 2020 11:24 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2020 11:20 Mun_Su wrote:
On May 01 2020 19:40 pvsnp wrote:
After watching Inno beat Dark 2-0 in standard macro games an hour ago, I'm think it's safe to say he's not just bragging. The first game lasted 30 minutes and looked like Maru was playing.



Wait where was that ? Do you have a link please?


https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1WZ4y1s7Yw

Another guy linked it above. Wardi couldn't make it. so there's only Chinese cast,



Oh didn't see. Thanks anyway!
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
May 02 2020 11:06 GMT
#42
On May 02 2020 19:06 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2020 03:31 yubo56 wrote:
On May 01 2020 21:46 Phredxor wrote:
On May 01 2020 21:14 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 01 2020 20:56 pvsnp wrote:
On May 01 2020 20:40 BisuDagger wrote:
Ragnarok for Stats swap would have been contender for GOAT group of death.


Parting/Life/Inno/Flash was the true Group of Death imo.

https://tl.net/forum/news-archive/410623-wcs-kr-ro16-group-b-preview-code-a-recap-s1#one

Since that group actually happened, it definitely was a legit group of death. Thanks for sharing! I'm curious what other groups people think would be contenders.


The 2014 group of Zest, Dear, Soulkey and Maru would be up there. The 3 WCS Korea champs from 2013 and Zest who would go on to win that season.

I feel like these two are the obvious GOAT group of death contenders. I slightly favor the Parting/Life/Inno/Flash one simply because of how strong parting + life + inno were, that FlaSh seemed like a clear underdog (and you don't get to say that very often). From what I remember, the second group you mentioned, Dear + SK + Maru were all in somewhat inconsistent phases of their career at that point, so I didn't feel as hyped for that one, but that could be personal preference.

The PartinG/INno/Life/Flash group was the most memorable in terms of popularity and hype of the players.

But the Dear, Soulkey, Zest, Maru group was absolutely the GOAT group of death in terms of the level of players at the time. It just wasn't as hype because none of it's players were massive stars in foreign tournaments. Dear was never that popular, Maru and Dear barely played outside of Korea, and no one had quite realised yet that Zest was the best.

You had literally the champions of the last three seasons (Soulkey, Maru, Dear) and then Zest who won that very season. Not to mention Zest and Dear were the #1 and #2 protoss at the time, Maru was absolutely the #1 terran, and Soulkey had been the #1 zerg for almost an entire year.

edit: also massive disappointment that Dark didn't do the Rag/Stats swap. Having literally the two best terran and protoss of all time in the same group would have been historic. You'd be looking at 14 GSL trophies in one group, vs 2/1/0 in the others.



such good times, when Tasteless had somewhat a bit of idea of the game.
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neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
May 02 2020 11:56 GMT
#43
On May 02 2020 17:41 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2020 16:29 Raxxes wrote:
What do you guys think?
Can Taeja get out of this.

i am mean summer is coming right?

TaeJa can maybe beat Scarlett but that'd be about it. In his current form he's out of his depth in this round.


You're almost definitely right, but Taeja is an anomalous case. He really can adjust on the fly in ways that I don't think I've seen from any other player. I wouldn't bet on him by any stretch of the imagination, but I also wouldn't count him out.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
May 02 2020 12:39 GMT
#44
Thanks for the writeup. I didn't have the time to check out the vods, so it's much appreciated!
Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-02 17:18:33
May 02 2020 15:15 GMT
#45
On May 02 2020 20:05 Mun_Su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2020 11:24 pvsnp wrote:
On May 02 2020 11:20 Mun_Su wrote:
On May 01 2020 19:40 pvsnp wrote:
After watching Inno beat Dark 2-0 in standard macro games an hour ago, I'm think it's safe to say he's not just bragging. The first game lasted 30 minutes and looked like Maru was playing.



Wait where was that ? Do you have a link please?


https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1WZ4y1s7Yw

Another guy linked it above. Wardi couldn't make it. so there's only Chinese cast,



Oh didn't see. Thanks anyway!

Inno killing it today, KZ almost win DPG in today's NEXT final. He does not want to go gentle into the good night in his last full year before military. Quote Xiaose: "you don't often see INno just typing 123 repeatedly in the lobby, feels like he is excited"
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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1913 Posts
May 02 2020 21:53 GMT
#46
THE PICKS - (pick order in parentheses).

Group A: Dark -> (1) TaeJa --> (8) Scarlett -> (7, SWAP) Dear
Group B: TY ---> (4) Solar --> (9, SWAP) Stats -> (10) Cure
Group C: Trap -> (3) Bunny -> (6) PartinG ----> (11) soO
Group D: Maru -> (2) RagnaroK -> (5) INnoVatioN -> (12) Zest

If this still leaves you utterly confused, don't worry: that's how everyone feels.


If you swap the race icons of Dark and TY right it would be a lot less confusing!
Buff the siegetank
dala
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden477 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-03 01:37:06
May 03 2020 01:35 GMT
#47
On May 01 2020 19:20 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
As you delve deeper into any fandom, you discover there's an important line that ends up being crossed. It's the line where the surrounding talk, gossip, and human relationships of the performers becomes almost as interesting as the art itself (be it movies, music, or professional video games).

Agree! Great write up. Thanks for covering the group selections!

On May 01 2020 19:20 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
• The top four players from the 2019 season of GSL are seeded into separate groups (in A-D-C-B order by rank).
• First four picks are made in order of seeding (A-D-C-B order).
• Remaining eight picks are made in "snake draft" order, starting from Group D (D-C-B-A-A-B-C-D).

On May 01 2020 19:20 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
PartinG, selected to Group C, ended up having the final meaningful pick of the ceremony and was left to choose between soO and Zest. Picking soO would mean sending Zest to Group D by default,

On May 01 2020 19:20 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
INnoVation said he was confident that no one would dare pick him, and that he was destined to end up in Group D as the last pick. That doesn't just signal internal confidence in his skills—it means he already knew everyone else was terrified of him.


There is one thing I don’t understand about the proceeding. It seems like group D should often be more difficult, since that group will get the left-over, least desirable player. But this is the group with the number two seed. Seems counter intuative to “penalizing” the no 2. Would make more sense to swap the no. 2 and 3 seeds having A-C-D-B.
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