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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-16 16:09:39
April 16 2020 16:09 GMT
#21

KiwiKaki vs. Stephano - at IPL3 (October 2011) - if I recall correctly, this is one of the first uses of the archon toilet in a tournament match. This tournament was also the rise of Stephano, who burst onto the scene and became one of the most dominant foreign players, as well as one of the most innovative and charismatic of all time. While it was cool at the time, unfortunately by the next year with the BL-infestor metagame, the PvZ metagame had devolved into toss trying to land that single archon toilet. Damn queen patch (in my mind, that patch in May 2012 marked the end of WoL)


NASL Season 1 - we saw the rise of Puma, and an intense 7 game series between him and MC. Puma would later be notorious for using the 1-1-1 in fall of 2011, which absolutely decimated Protoss in the TvP matchup. This wasn't really resolved until immortal range was buffed.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26267 Posts
April 16 2020 17:12 GMT
#22
Ah they were the best of times, they were the blurst of times.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
LemonyTang
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom428 Posts
April 16 2020 17:31 GMT
#23
A lot of these games are hilarious and memorable, but do not get sucked into watching that Boxers v Rain game again. Literally awful. And I say that as someone that loves TvT.
Mvp #1
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-16 17:39:13
April 16 2020 17:38 GMT
#24
On April 16 2020 16:57 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2020 14:22 ssg wrote:
If a gold league player today went back to gsl 1 he would likely win.

lol no, the gold leagers i occassionally face have issues with expanding and heavy supply blocks. Not sure what region you play in, but I doubt even Korean gold league are significantly better

Edit> while it's funny to poke at the builds and some stupidity, the mechanics are well above todays diamond. I know it as my Protoss is diamond and I'm nowhere near them

Gsl 1 players had huge issues expanding lol. That's a big reason why I say a modern gold play could win GSL. Fruitdealer may be an exception but honestly even rainbows play was not above current gold and he was second. Pylon show recently took this question and they all agreed on platinum would win and then they sort of said gold at the end too when they thought about it more.
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
April 16 2020 17:38 GMT
#25
On April 17 2020 02:31 LemonyTang wrote:
A lot of these games are hilarious and memorable, but do not get sucked into watching that Boxers v Rain game again. Literally awful. And I say that as someone that loves TvT.

Why would I not want to watch the greatest game in sc2 history though
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-16 17:47:56
April 16 2020 17:46 GMT
#26
This classic from GSTL 2012 is still to date one of my all time favorites. It starts off normally enough and quickly devolves into absolute anarchy and madness.



Gumiho vs MMA 2012 GSTL Season 2 Finals Set 1 Antiga Shipyard.

Check out the entire video prior to the match to see just how crazy and hyped WoL used to be. No tiny little studio, more like busan beach on a giant stage with the works! Shame the finals for Code S that season had to be Seed vs MC. What a letdown that was lol.

I know this game isn't as early as some of the others posted in here, but it does do quite a bit in showcasing how nuts WoL could be back then.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3833 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-16 20:02:34
April 16 2020 18:23 GMT
#27
Gumiho was such a hyphy player in WoL, it was awesome to see him finally capture a gsl in 2017.

Found a couple more, for whoever enjoys watching zealots slap each other for 5+ minutes.

Inca fails a proxy 3 gate and wins anyway:
+ Show Spoiler +


Unfortunate proxy followed by strange counterattacks followed by 4 gate:
+ Show Spoiler +
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
GreasedUpDeafGuy
Profile Joined August 2018
United States398 Posts
April 16 2020 18:42 GMT
#28
On April 16 2020 10:12 Bagration wrote:
In a wacky way, 2010 was the best era - it was the time of maximum creativity, maximum aggression, and maximum cheddar. BitbyBit was great and hilarious in particular

Plus, I'd love to see current pros play some WoL (or even LoTV) matches on those 2010 maps - back then we couldn't macro like we could now, so it was basically 2 rax, early pool, or 4 gates all day lol. Of course, need to have variety, but I wouldn't mind seeing some of those smaller maps as part of tournament map pool. Let's make early cheese more viable again haha


Dont say this tot Tastosis or they'll REEEEE their heads off
Cant catch me. You're wasting your time
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
April 16 2020 19:09 GMT
#29
On April 17 2020 02:38 ssg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2020 16:57 deacon.frost wrote:
On April 16 2020 14:22 ssg wrote:
If a gold league player today went back to gsl 1 he would likely win.

lol no, the gold leagers i occassionally face have issues with expanding and heavy supply blocks. Not sure what region you play in, but I doubt even Korean gold league are significantly better

Edit> while it's funny to poke at the builds and some stupidity, the mechanics are well above todays diamond. I know it as my Protoss is diamond and I'm nowhere near them

Gsl 1 players had huge issues expanding lol. That's a big reason why I say a modern gold play could win GSL. Fruitdealer may be an exception but honestly even rainbows play was not above current gold and he was second. Pylon show recently took this question and they all agreed on platinum would win and then they sort of said gold at the end too when they thought about it more.

In all honesty, no. Mechanicly they weren't gold, the time was that expanding had to be taken slowly(4gate? hello?)
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Devangel
Profile Joined March 2019
Russian Federation66 Posts
April 16 2020 19:29 GMT
#30
Does anyone know where to find the VOD of Nestea vs Choya on Scrap Station? I've been looking for the VOD of this game for so many time after reding about it here (game #18):

https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/502858-the-best-games-of-2015

"there is no defense as unbelievable as NesTea vs Choya on Scrap Station. In that game, NesTea held a 4gate+void ray all in with 2 queens, a single zergling and a spine crawler" - this descriptions seems very wacky to me :D
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
April 16 2020 19:42 GMT
#31
On April 17 2020 04:29 Devangel wrote:
Does anyone know where to find the VOD of Nestea vs Choya on Scrap Station? I've been looking for the VOD of this game for so many time after reding about it here (game #18):

https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/502858-the-best-games-of-2015

"there is no defense as unbelievable as NesTea vs Choya on Scrap Station. In that game, NesTea held a 4gate+void ray all in with 2 queens, a single zergling and a spine crawler" - this descriptions seems very wacky to me :D

I think the VODs for that season of GSL never made it from the GOMTV site to Youtube
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3833 Posts
April 16 2020 19:43 GMT
#32
On April 17 2020 04:29 Devangel wrote:
Does anyone know where to find the VOD of Nestea vs Choya on Scrap Station? I've been looking for the VOD of this game for so many time after reding about it here (game #18):

https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/502858-the-best-games-of-2015

"there is no defense as unbelievable as NesTea vs Choya on Scrap Station. In that game, NesTea held a 4gate+void ray all in with 2 queens, a single zergling and a spine crawler" - this descriptions seems very wacky to me :D

http://www.gomtv.com/465270

I think this is the match (set 1), but you might need to do some vpn finagling to get it to work in your country. Looks like I don't have access in the US, that match sounds nuts so I'll have to try when I get a chance
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
April 16 2020 20:01 GMT
#33
Nevertheless wacky or not, I miss WoL so much. Can't believe it's been 10 years. I remember how enthusiastic everyone was when SC2 came out back then. I'm not saying it's bad right now, just missing the feeling of freshness.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7160 Posts
April 16 2020 20:44 GMT
#34
I think this might actually be the worst sc2 pro game ever played :D

pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Mallyx
Profile Joined April 2020
12 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-16 21:25:03
April 16 2020 21:20 GMT
#35
On April 17 2020 04:09 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2020 02:38 ssg wrote:
On April 16 2020 16:57 deacon.frost wrote:
On April 16 2020 14:22 ssg wrote:
If a gold league player today went back to gsl 1 he would likely win.

lol no, the gold leagers i occassionally face have issues with expanding and heavy supply blocks. Not sure what region you play in, but I doubt even Korean gold league are significantly better

Edit> while it's funny to poke at the builds and some stupidity, the mechanics are well above todays diamond. I know it as my Protoss is diamond and I'm nowhere near them

Gsl 1 players had huge issues expanding lol. That's a big reason why I say a modern gold play could win GSL. Fruitdealer may be an exception but honestly even rainbows play was not above current gold and he was second. Pylon show recently took this question and they all agreed on platinum would win and then they sort of said gold at the end too when they thought about it more.

In all honesty, no. Mechanicly they weren't gold, the time was that expanding had to be taken slowly(4gate? hello?)


Just because of this thread I started watching A LOT of GSL Open Season 1 matches today. I would agree that FruitDealer would probably still beat many current non-masters players. But some players in this tournament were just straight up horrible and although I haven't played in gold for ages, I don't think they're worse than that. And mechanically... many just weren't good back then. Things like creep spread, Marine micro, forcefields etc. were just a huge problem for most of the players in the tournament. And at least in diamond, that's absolutely vital nowadays to even stand a chance to win.

However, the games are just awesome and made me hope there'll be a StarCraft III anytime. Not because I dislike current StarCraft II, but playing and watching a game that has not been figured out yet was just an awesome time. And although the quality of games today is a million times better, I'd just love to have that again.

... and of course the fact that a 64 player tournament in Korea required a huge qualifier to break it down to just 64 players was special as well. Nowadays a 64 player tournament in Korea would probably have the entire scene involved. (And I don't wanna argue that the game is dead, btw. It was just an awesome time with the huge scene back then)
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5458 Posts
April 16 2020 22:24 GMT
#36
On April 17 2020 05:44 Luolis wrote:
I think this might actually be the worst sc2 pro game ever played :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i813CX1pblg


That was quite entertaining, thanks!
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 16 2020 22:52 GMT
#37
On April 17 2020 03:42 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2020 10:12 Bagration wrote:
In a wacky way, 2010 was the best era - it was the time of maximum creativity, maximum aggression, and maximum cheddar. BitbyBit was great and hilarious in particular

Plus, I'd love to see current pros play some WoL (or even LoTV) matches on those 2010 maps - back then we couldn't macro like we could now, so it was basically 2 rax, early pool, or 4 gates all day lol. Of course, need to have variety, but I wouldn't mind seeing some of those smaller maps as part of tournament map pool. Let's make early cheese more viable again haha


Dont say this tot Tastosis or they'll REEEEE their heads off


The thing is, nowadays I totally understand both sides of it. For people that were used to watching Brood War I can understand completely why SC2 in WoL looked awful by comparison. You compare it to today's game and they barely even look similar. Today's game looks way more like the sequel to Brood War than WoL ever imagined being.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3833 Posts
April 17 2020 00:26 GMT
#38
On April 17 2020 05:44 Luolis wrote:
I think this might actually be the worst sc2 pro game ever played :D

ooh yes... truly baffling game. I crave more of this
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-17 00:55:17
April 17 2020 00:41 GMT
#39
On April 17 2020 02:38 ssg wrote:
Gsl 1 players had huge issues expanding lol. That's a big reason why I say a modern gold play could win GSL.


Oh man, I really want to see a current gold league player try to expand on Desert Oasis against an Open Season 1 pro doing some dumb 1-base all-in. That would not go the way you think it would.

On an unrelated note, does anybody have a vod of the game where JulyZerg cancelled his expansion to build the sneakiest Baneling Nest instead, aka the Greatest Cheese of All Time? (I think it was on Delta Quadrant, but I can't tell for sure.)

EDIT: Also, in case anybody hasn't seen it, please remember the original Mothership:

I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
April 17 2020 04:17 GMT
#40
Reminder that we're all just living inside NesTea's head
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