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On October 23 2019 20:21 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2019 19:04 sneakyfox wrote:On October 23 2019 18:36 Harris1st wrote:On October 23 2019 18:31 Poaktree wrote:Conveniently, every was set up perfectly to be resolved at the 2018 Global Finals. Maru and Serral were clearly the best players from their respective regions. There was no way BlizzCon was ending without a conclusive battle to decide who was the undisputed, best player in the world. And one of the most tragically comical things for me was the fact of Blizzard rigging the bracket to set up the perfect finals between Serral and Maru and then sOs basically b-slapping Maru out, and then fizzling out against stats. Seriously, who writes scripts like this? If TIME or Stats win their matches, I'm gonna cry If TIME and Stats win their matches, I'm gonna party like it's 1998  Wouldn't that be somethind ^^ I wonder how my 11 yr old self was partying XD
Hopefully you were partying by going on a hard BW binge
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No so long ago, BlizzCon wasn't even mentioned when decribing sOs. And mind you, those two wins was when BlizzCon only had 1 foreigner able to make it. Now suddenly BlizzCon is that important when half of it almost doesn't have any championships that is not WCS.
Just Two or Three years ago, you wouldn't really consider BlizzCon as causing a "tinge of regret".
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On October 23 2019 22:08 ProFalseIdol wrote:
No so long ago, BlizzCon wasn't even mentioned when decribing sOs. And mind you, those two wins was when BlizzCon only had 1 foreigner able to make it. Now suddenly BlizzCon is that important when half of it almost doesn't have any championships that is not WCS.
Just Two or Three years ago, you wouldn't really consider BlizzCon as causing a "tinge of regret".
Blizzcon beside money is not as prestige as IEM Katowice and GSL code S coz you have nearly half of the players who are there just because of region lock.
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On October 23 2019 22:44 parksonsc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2019 22:08 ProFalseIdol wrote:
No so long ago, BlizzCon wasn't even mentioned when decribing sOs. And mind you, those two wins was when BlizzCon only had 1 foreigner able to make it. Now suddenly BlizzCon is that important when half of it almost doesn't have any championships that is not WCS.
Just Two or Three years ago, you wouldn't really consider BlizzCon as causing a "tinge of regret". Blizzcon beside money is not as prestige as IEM Katowice and GSL code S coz you have nearly half of the players who are there just because of region lock.
Look, just because we're posting on the most Korean-elitist corner of the SC2 community doesn't mean you should really believe that. Not even the Korean forums believe this . This is like some TL.net BW forums level of 'somehow the people who don't even live there are more religiously devoted to Korean StarCraft' stuff.
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On October 23 2019 23:32 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2019 22:44 parksonsc wrote:On October 23 2019 22:08 ProFalseIdol wrote:
No so long ago, BlizzCon wasn't even mentioned when decribing sOs. And mind you, those two wins was when BlizzCon only had 1 foreigner able to make it. Now suddenly BlizzCon is that important when half of it almost doesn't have any championships that is not WCS.
Just Two or Three years ago, you wouldn't really consider BlizzCon as causing a "tinge of regret". Blizzcon beside money is not as prestige as IEM Katowice and GSL code S coz you have nearly half of the players who are there just because of region lock. Look, just because we're posting on the most Korean-elitist corner of the SC2 community doesn't mean you should really believe that. Not even the Korean forums believe this . This is like some TL.net BW forums level of 'somehow the people who don't even live there are more religiously devoted to Korean StarCraft' stuff.
Then go and rewrite history when sOs' 2 wins were not that impressive  Do the 1984 revision! 
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On October 23 2019 23:35 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2019 23:32 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2019 22:44 parksonsc wrote:On October 23 2019 22:08 ProFalseIdol wrote:
No so long ago, BlizzCon wasn't even mentioned when decribing sOs. And mind you, those two wins was when BlizzCon only had 1 foreigner able to make it. Now suddenly BlizzCon is that important when half of it almost doesn't have any championships that is not WCS.
Just Two or Three years ago, you wouldn't really consider BlizzCon as causing a "tinge of regret". Blizzcon beside money is not as prestige as IEM Katowice and GSL code S coz you have nearly half of the players who are there just because of region lock. Look, just because we're posting on the most Korean-elitist corner of the SC2 community doesn't mean you should really believe that. Not even the Korean forums believe this . This is like some TL.net BW forums level of 'somehow the people who don't even live there are more religiously devoted to Korean StarCraft' stuff. Then go and rewrite history when sOs' 2 wins were not that impressive Do the 1984 revision!
You're one of the religious zealots, but that is okay, at least you accept it!
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On October 23 2019 23:32 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2019 22:44 parksonsc wrote:On October 23 2019 22:08 ProFalseIdol wrote:
No so long ago, BlizzCon wasn't even mentioned when decribing sOs. And mind you, those two wins was when BlizzCon only had 1 foreigner able to make it. Now suddenly BlizzCon is that important when half of it almost doesn't have any championships that is not WCS.
Just Two or Three years ago, you wouldn't really consider BlizzCon as causing a "tinge of regret". Blizzcon beside money is not as prestige as IEM Katowice and GSL code S coz you have nearly half of the players who are there just because of region lock. Look, just because we're posting on the most Korean-elitist corner of the SC2 community doesn't mean you should really believe that. Not even the Korean forums believe this . This is like some TL.net BW forums level of 'somehow the people who don't even live there are more religiously devoted to Korean StarCraft' stuff.
Code S is by far the most prestigious tournament on the planet. IEM katowice has better players and is more difficult to win than Blizzcon so it's more prestigious in that sense as well.
TY, Solar, Gumiho, Dear are staying at home while Time, Elazer, Heromarine, and Showtime are in the WCS global finals. Let that sink in.
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What exactly does this article spoil?
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On October 23 2019 14:23 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
Despite possessing the micro and multitasking skills to beat most players to a pulp with bio and medivacs, Maru wasn't perfectly suited to play in the mech-heavy era of late Heart of the Swarm. 2016 also brought the advent of a new expansion, and Maru wouldn't have been alone in struggling to adapt to Legacy of the Void.
I'm still saying Maru was a top 3 player at the start of LotV. Maybe even #2 at the very start (behind Zest).
It's hard to argue he struggled in adapting to LoTV when his proleague performance was absolutely insane. Going 22-4 against players including like Dark, Solar, Dear, Zest, INno, TY (x3), Stats (x2), aLive, Gumiho, Bunny, ByuL, and Classic. Those were basically all the best performers in korea that year (minus ByuN I guess) and Maru was still untouchable.
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On October 24 2019 00:01 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2019 23:32 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2019 22:44 parksonsc wrote:On October 23 2019 22:08 ProFalseIdol wrote:
No so long ago, BlizzCon wasn't even mentioned when decribing sOs. And mind you, those two wins was when BlizzCon only had 1 foreigner able to make it. Now suddenly BlizzCon is that important when half of it almost doesn't have any championships that is not WCS.
Just Two or Three years ago, you wouldn't really consider BlizzCon as causing a "tinge of regret". Blizzcon beside money is not as prestige as IEM Katowice and GSL code S coz you have nearly half of the players who are there just because of region lock. Look, just because we're posting on the most Korean-elitist corner of the SC2 community doesn't mean you should really believe that. Not even the Korean forums believe this . This is like some TL.net BW forums level of 'somehow the people who don't even live there are more religiously devoted to Korean StarCraft' stuff. Code S is by far the most prestigious tournament on the planet. IEM katowice has better players and is more difficult to win than Blizzcon so it's more prestigious in that sense as well. TY, Solar, Gumiho, Dear are staying at home while Time, Elazer, Heromarine, and Showtime are in the WCS global finals. Let that sink in.
What year do you live in, actually? If BlizzCon wasn't held in high regard in the past, it was a wrong decision back then; and Code S being by far the most prestigious tournament on the planet...maybe it was true once, it's not the case anymore.
Let's just look at the names you mentioned: Heromarine over Gumiho? Not unreasonable. Showtime over Dear? Acceptable. Elazer over Solar? Any day in a Zerg heavy meta. TIME over TY? Well, that's hard to justify, even if TIME's TvZ might match TY's.
Overall, it's definitely not scandalous as you seem to imply
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On October 24 2019 00:54 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2019 00:01 BerserkSword wrote:On October 23 2019 23:32 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2019 22:44 parksonsc wrote:On October 23 2019 22:08 ProFalseIdol wrote:
No so long ago, BlizzCon wasn't even mentioned when decribing sOs. And mind you, those two wins was when BlizzCon only had 1 foreigner able to make it. Now suddenly BlizzCon is that important when half of it almost doesn't have any championships that is not WCS.
Just Two or Three years ago, you wouldn't really consider BlizzCon as causing a "tinge of regret". Blizzcon beside money is not as prestige as IEM Katowice and GSL code S coz you have nearly half of the players who are there just because of region lock. Look, just because we're posting on the most Korean-elitist corner of the SC2 community doesn't mean you should really believe that. Not even the Korean forums believe this . This is like some TL.net BW forums level of 'somehow the people who don't even live there are more religiously devoted to Korean StarCraft' stuff. Code S is by far the most prestigious tournament on the planet. IEM katowice has better players and is more difficult to win than Blizzcon so it's more prestigious in that sense as well. TY, Solar, Gumiho, Dear are staying at home while Time, Elazer, Heromarine, and Showtime are in the WCS global finals. Let that sink in. Let's just look at the names you mentioned: Heromarine over Gumiho? Not unreasonable. Showtime over Dear? Acceptable. Elazer over Solar? Any day in a Zerg heavy meta. TIME over TY? Well, that's hard to justify, even if TIME's TvZ might match TY's. Overall, it's definitely not scandalous as you seem to imply
HeroMarine isn't anything close to Gumiho. Elazer only matches Solar in ZvZ (even then it's questionable). ShowTimE doesn't have the skill ceiling of Dear but I guess he's more consistant?
TIME's TvZ matches TY? Rofl.
Overall all four of those koreans have accomplished and shown much greater things than their foreign counterparts. They just don't have the same opportunities. Put it this way, you think any of those foreigners are making ro8 in Code S? I don't.
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France12920 Posts
On October 24 2019 01:09 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2019 00:54 Xain0n wrote:On October 24 2019 00:01 BerserkSword wrote:On October 23 2019 23:32 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2019 22:44 parksonsc wrote:On October 23 2019 22:08 ProFalseIdol wrote:
No so long ago, BlizzCon wasn't even mentioned when decribing sOs. And mind you, those two wins was when BlizzCon only had 1 foreigner able to make it. Now suddenly BlizzCon is that important when half of it almost doesn't have any championships that is not WCS.
Just Two or Three years ago, you wouldn't really consider BlizzCon as causing a "tinge of regret". Blizzcon beside money is not as prestige as IEM Katowice and GSL code S coz you have nearly half of the players who are there just because of region lock. Look, just because we're posting on the most Korean-elitist corner of the SC2 community doesn't mean you should really believe that. Not even the Korean forums believe this . This is like some TL.net BW forums level of 'somehow the people who don't even live there are more religiously devoted to Korean StarCraft' stuff. Code S is by far the most prestigious tournament on the planet. IEM katowice has better players and is more difficult to win than Blizzcon so it's more prestigious in that sense as well. TY, Solar, Gumiho, Dear are staying at home while Time, Elazer, Heromarine, and Showtime are in the WCS global finals. Let that sink in. Let's just look at the names you mentioned: Heromarine over Gumiho? Not unreasonable. Showtime over Dear? Acceptable. Elazer over Solar? Any day in a Zerg heavy meta. TIME over TY? Well, that's hard to justify, even if TIME's TvZ might match TY's. Overall, it's definitely not scandalous as you seem to imply HeroMarine isn't anything close to Gumiho. Elazer only matches Solar in ZvZ (even then it's questionable). ShowTimE doesn't have the skill ceiling of Dear but I guess he's more consistant? TIME's TvZ matches TY? Rofl. Overall all four of those koreans have accomplished and shown much greater things than their foreign counterparts. They just don't have the same opportunities. Put it this way, you think any of those foreigners are making ro8 in Code S? I don't.
If Serral would be in the situation of winning GSL but not winning BlizzCon he would defend the position of BerserkSword I’m pretty sure of that.
Maybe HM/Elazer/ShoWTimE/TIME are closer now to Gumiho/Solar/Dear/TY but no way they are close.
BlizzCon is still prestigious because there are still a lot of good Koreans + the best foreigners in it, the highest amount of viewers and some nice prize money. Probably the most prestigious along with IEM and GSL Code S.
As a player you want to win all three anyways.
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Surprised there was no mention of Maru vs Jaedong in the Blizzcon 2013 semifinals
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On October 24 2019 01:15 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2019 01:09 Fango wrote:On October 24 2019 00:54 Xain0n wrote:On October 24 2019 00:01 BerserkSword wrote:On October 23 2019 23:32 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2019 22:44 parksonsc wrote:On October 23 2019 22:08 ProFalseIdol wrote:
No so long ago, BlizzCon wasn't even mentioned when decribing sOs. And mind you, those two wins was when BlizzCon only had 1 foreigner able to make it. Now suddenly BlizzCon is that important when half of it almost doesn't have any championships that is not WCS.
Just Two or Three years ago, you wouldn't really consider BlizzCon as causing a "tinge of regret". Blizzcon beside money is not as prestige as IEM Katowice and GSL code S coz you have nearly half of the players who are there just because of region lock. Look, just because we're posting on the most Korean-elitist corner of the SC2 community doesn't mean you should really believe that. Not even the Korean forums believe this . This is like some TL.net BW forums level of 'somehow the people who don't even live there are more religiously devoted to Korean StarCraft' stuff. Code S is by far the most prestigious tournament on the planet. IEM katowice has better players and is more difficult to win than Blizzcon so it's more prestigious in that sense as well. TY, Solar, Gumiho, Dear are staying at home while Time, Elazer, Heromarine, and Showtime are in the WCS global finals. Let that sink in. Let's just look at the names you mentioned: Heromarine over Gumiho? Not unreasonable. Showtime over Dear? Acceptable. Elazer over Solar? Any day in a Zerg heavy meta. TIME over TY? Well, that's hard to justify, even if TIME's TvZ might match TY's. Overall, it's definitely not scandalous as you seem to imply HeroMarine isn't anything close to Gumiho. Elazer only matches Solar in ZvZ (even then it's questionable). ShowTimE doesn't have the skill ceiling of Dear but I guess he's more consistant? TIME's TvZ matches TY? Rofl. Overall all four of those koreans have accomplished and shown much greater things than their foreign counterparts. They just don't have the same opportunities. Put it this way, you think any of those foreigners are making ro8 in Code S? I don't. If Serral would be in the situation of winning GSL but not winning BlizzCon he would defend the position of BerserkSword I’m pretty sure of that. Maybe HM/Elazer/ShoWTimE/TIME are closer now to Gumiho/Solar/Dear/TY but no way they are close.
You are pretty sure, Poopi? You are pretty wrong, then.
Elazer's ZvZ is better than Solar's(he won the H2H at HSC, twice, and guess who beat Dark? Definitely not Solar…), and that's not even questionable.
I said TIME's TvZ(at his best), might match TY's, judging by how they respectively fared against Serral, but that might not be the case and I would never pick TIME over TY.
I don't even like the biggest of Gabes that much, but this year he was constantly stopped by Serral and Reynor, the two strongest players in WCS, evenly traded series against Gumiho and he went 2-3 overall against Trap's PvT, the best in the world.
ShowTime had a weak showing this year, but I instead think his potential is higher than Dear's(unless we speak of godly 2013 Dear, but I fear that player is long gone).
They are close enough, and they might definitely reach ro8 in Code S. Do I have to remind you that Bunny, Keen, Ragnarok and Hurricane(who even advanced to the ro4) did this year?
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Showtime better than Dear, this is a truly hot take finally.
Waxangel is right, TL.net is a forum of Korean elitists.
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On October 24 2019 01:32 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2019 01:15 Poopi wrote:On October 24 2019 01:09 Fango wrote:On October 24 2019 00:54 Xain0n wrote:On October 24 2019 00:01 BerserkSword wrote:On October 23 2019 23:32 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2019 22:44 parksonsc wrote:On October 23 2019 22:08 ProFalseIdol wrote:
No so long ago, BlizzCon wasn't even mentioned when decribing sOs. And mind you, those two wins was when BlizzCon only had 1 foreigner able to make it. Now suddenly BlizzCon is that important when half of it almost doesn't have any championships that is not WCS.
Just Two or Three years ago, you wouldn't really consider BlizzCon as causing a "tinge of regret". Blizzcon beside money is not as prestige as IEM Katowice and GSL code S coz you have nearly half of the players who are there just because of region lock. Look, just because we're posting on the most Korean-elitist corner of the SC2 community doesn't mean you should really believe that. Not even the Korean forums believe this . This is like some TL.net BW forums level of 'somehow the people who don't even live there are more religiously devoted to Korean StarCraft' stuff. Code S is by far the most prestigious tournament on the planet. IEM katowice has better players and is more difficult to win than Blizzcon so it's more prestigious in that sense as well. TY, Solar, Gumiho, Dear are staying at home while Time, Elazer, Heromarine, and Showtime are in the WCS global finals. Let that sink in. Let's just look at the names you mentioned: Heromarine over Gumiho? Not unreasonable. Showtime over Dear? Acceptable. Elazer over Solar? Any day in a Zerg heavy meta. TIME over TY? Well, that's hard to justify, even if TIME's TvZ might match TY's. Overall, it's definitely not scandalous as you seem to imply HeroMarine isn't anything close to Gumiho. Elazer only matches Solar in ZvZ (even then it's questionable). ShowTimE doesn't have the skill ceiling of Dear but I guess he's more consistant? TIME's TvZ matches TY? Rofl. Overall all four of those koreans have accomplished and shown much greater things than their foreign counterparts. They just don't have the same opportunities. Put it this way, you think any of those foreigners are making ro8 in Code S? I don't. If Serral would be in the situation of winning GSL but not winning BlizzCon he would defend the position of BerserkSword I’m pretty sure of that. Maybe HM/Elazer/ShoWTimE/TIME are closer now to Gumiho/Solar/Dear/TY but no way they are close. They are close enough, and they might definitely reach ro8 in Code S. Do I have to remind you that Bunny, Keen, Ragnarok and Hurricane(who even advanced to the ro4) did this year?
Bunny, Hurricane, Keen, and Ragnarok all had to play in Code S a million times and have made ro8 like once each. You think if HeroMarine, Elazer, or TIME would have a good chance?
Hell SpeCial is better than all of those guys and it look him 7 (I think) attempts just to make ro16
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On October 24 2019 01:30 Die4Ever wrote:
Surprised there was no mention of Maru vs Jaedong in the Blizzcon 2013 semifinals
They mentioned the slew of ro4 finishes. Shame they didn't mention how much of a dead race terran was during that time, Maru's performance was insane in that context (3-4 terrans in GSL ro32).
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On October 24 2019 01:53 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2019 01:32 Xain0n wrote:On October 24 2019 01:15 Poopi wrote:On October 24 2019 01:09 Fango wrote:On October 24 2019 00:54 Xain0n wrote:On October 24 2019 00:01 BerserkSword wrote:On October 23 2019 23:32 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2019 22:44 parksonsc wrote:On October 23 2019 22:08 ProFalseIdol wrote:
No so long ago, BlizzCon wasn't even mentioned when decribing sOs. And mind you, those two wins was when BlizzCon only had 1 foreigner able to make it. Now suddenly BlizzCon is that important when half of it almost doesn't have any championships that is not WCS.
Just Two or Three years ago, you wouldn't really consider BlizzCon as causing a "tinge of regret". Blizzcon beside money is not as prestige as IEM Katowice and GSL code S coz you have nearly half of the players who are there just because of region lock. Look, just because we're posting on the most Korean-elitist corner of the SC2 community doesn't mean you should really believe that. Not even the Korean forums believe this . This is like some TL.net BW forums level of 'somehow the people who don't even live there are more religiously devoted to Korean StarCraft' stuff. Code S is by far the most prestigious tournament on the planet. IEM katowice has better players and is more difficult to win than Blizzcon so it's more prestigious in that sense as well. TY, Solar, Gumiho, Dear are staying at home while Time, Elazer, Heromarine, and Showtime are in the WCS global finals. Let that sink in. Let's just look at the names you mentioned: Heromarine over Gumiho? Not unreasonable. Showtime over Dear? Acceptable. Elazer over Solar? Any day in a Zerg heavy meta. TIME over TY? Well, that's hard to justify, even if TIME's TvZ might match TY's. Overall, it's definitely not scandalous as you seem to imply HeroMarine isn't anything close to Gumiho. Elazer only matches Solar in ZvZ (even then it's questionable). ShowTimE doesn't have the skill ceiling of Dear but I guess he's more consistant? TIME's TvZ matches TY? Rofl. Overall all four of those koreans have accomplished and shown much greater things than their foreign counterparts. They just don't have the same opportunities. Put it this way, you think any of those foreigners are making ro8 in Code S? I don't. If Serral would be in the situation of winning GSL but not winning BlizzCon he would defend the position of BerserkSword I’m pretty sure of that. Maybe HM/Elazer/ShoWTimE/TIME are closer now to Gumiho/Solar/Dear/TY but no way they are close. They are close enough, and they might definitely reach ro8 in Code S. Do I have to remind you that Bunny, Keen, Ragnarok and Hurricane(who even advanced to the ro4) did this year? Bunny, Hurricane, Keen, and Ragnarok all had to play in Code S a million times and have made ro8 like once each. You think if HeroMarine, Elazer, or TIME would have a good chance? Hell SpeCial is better than all of those guys and it look him 7 (I think) attempts just to make ro16
Yet Special made it to ro16 twice consecutively this year. Keen&co reaching ro8 wasn't a case, they all were playing well when they went that far in Code S; and I wouldn't pick Ragnarok over Elazer, Hurricane over Showtime, Keen over Heromarine and Bunny over TIME.
Also, you are surely mistaken. WCS Korea S3 in 2013 had 11 Terran in the ro32, and there were 8 Terran out of 16 at BlizzCon; such a dead race!
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You guys are killing me with these hype pieces.
Can we start the Championship tomorrow?
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On October 24 2019 02:14 ZugzwangSC wrote:
You guys are killing me with these hype pieces.
Can we start the Championship tomorrow?
It starts in 9h30 :D
5am in most of EU though, I’ll probably only watch group B live
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