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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
August 30 2019 09:01 GMT
#41
On August 30 2019 13:32 DomeGetta wrote:
For anybody who didnt watch.. check out soul vs reynor from the wcs fall eu qualifiers. Soul goes up 2 - 0 on Reynor..who is argueably a top 3 zerg in the world (for comparison..soul would be lucky to make the top 10 terran list). He ends up losing the series 3 to 2 but wins a couple of late game scenarios with mass BC liberator ghost. The new emp makes it possible to send 2 cloaked ghosts onto creep...send bcs to a corner base to snipe and then emp 15 infestors walking to defend w those 2 ghosts .port ur bcs onto them and win the game. This happened multiple times in the series. Lets wait and watch this now in Maru and TYs hands b4 we go talking about "not enough" please and thanks.

Also Reynor showed he's not good in TvZ against Maru. His strengths are elsewhere and he's not a good example for this reason. (similarily you don't want to use Patience for Protoss related stuff or Maru for TvT)
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-30 09:47:58
August 30 2019 09:46 GMT
#42
On August 30 2019 18:01 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2019 13:32 DomeGetta wrote:
For anybody who didnt watch.. check out soul vs reynor from the wcs fall eu qualifiers. Soul goes up 2 - 0 on Reynor..who is argueably a top 3 zerg in the world (for comparison..soul would be lucky to make the top 10 terran list). He ends up losing the series 3 to 2 but wins a couple of late game scenarios with mass BC liberator ghost. The new emp makes it possible to send 2 cloaked ghosts onto creep...send bcs to a corner base to snipe and then emp 15 infestors walking to defend w those 2 ghosts .port ur bcs onto them and win the game. This happened multiple times in the series. Lets wait and watch this now in Maru and TYs hands b4 we go talking about "not enough" please and thanks.

Also Reynor showed he's not good in TvZ against Maru. His strengths are elsewhere and he's not a good example for this reason. (similarily you don't want to use Patience for Protoss related stuff or Maru for TvT)


First of all reynor isn’t so bad at TVZ that he loses late game, the hardest phase of the game, to a player of souls level (no offense to soul.

Second of all, watch scarlet vs masa g3 and g4. Masa takes late game off of Scarlett, a late game TVZ savant

Hell we only need to look at dark losing to keen in the late game this very tournament
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leublix
Profile Joined May 2017
493 Posts
August 30 2019 10:28 GMT
#43
Too bad about Fantasy. If he played the lategame like Keen he might have taken the series against Dark.

Lategame seems pretty strong for terran with the new emp.

Don't care too much for the BCs into lategame meta. Seems impossible for the Zerg to do any kind of timing and going to BL/Infestor is the only viable strat.
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1954 Posts
August 30 2019 17:27 GMT
#44
On August 30 2019 19:28 leublix wrote:
Too bad about Fantasy. If he played the lategame like Keen he might have taken the series against Dark.

Lategame seems pretty strong for terran with the new emp.

Don't care too much for the BCs into lategame meta. Seems impossible for the Zerg to do any kind of timing and going to BL/Infestor is the only viable strat.


I feel pretty sure timings will be found soon enough. You do give up a lot rushing out bcs.

I am more curious if the Zerg lategame will be solved soon so it becomes less of a turtlefest for the zerg. Atm, Terran CAN kill the 4th with a 2-2 timing, but if they don't, get ready for the 15min death animation.

There should be some kind of BC-blink/Liberator/Ghost/Thor/Cyclone/Raven play combo which could crack the BL/Infestor/Corruptor balls.
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Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
August 30 2019 19:07 GMT
#45
On August 30 2019 18:46 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2019 18:01 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 30 2019 13:32 DomeGetta wrote:
For anybody who didnt watch.. check out soul vs reynor from the wcs fall eu qualifiers. Soul goes up 2 - 0 on Reynor..who is argueably a top 3 zerg in the world (for comparison..soul would be lucky to make the top 10 terran list). He ends up losing the series 3 to 2 but wins a couple of late game scenarios with mass BC liberator ghost. The new emp makes it possible to send 2 cloaked ghosts onto creep...send bcs to a corner base to snipe and then emp 15 infestors walking to defend w those 2 ghosts .port ur bcs onto them and win the game. This happened multiple times in the series. Lets wait and watch this now in Maru and TYs hands b4 we go talking about "not enough" please and thanks.

Also Reynor showed he's not good in TvZ against Maru. His strengths are elsewhere and he's not a good example for this reason. (similarily you don't want to use Patience for Protoss related stuff or Maru for TvT)


First of all reynor isn’t so bad at TVZ that he loses late game, the hardest phase of the game, to a player of souls level (no offense to soul.

Second of all, watch scarlet vs masa g3 and g4. Masa takes late game off of Scarlett, a late game TVZ savant

Hell we only need to look at dark losing to keen in the late game this very tournament


I take it you dont know soul but all he plays and goes for is late game terran, so I would argue it makes perfect sense for him to beat raynor.
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
August 30 2019 20:05 GMT
#46
On August 31 2019 04:07 Conut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2019 18:46 BerserkSword wrote:
On August 30 2019 18:01 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 30 2019 13:32 DomeGetta wrote:
For anybody who didnt watch.. check out soul vs reynor from the wcs fall eu qualifiers. Soul goes up 2 - 0 on Reynor..who is argueably a top 3 zerg in the world (for comparison..soul would be lucky to make the top 10 terran list). He ends up losing the series 3 to 2 but wins a couple of late game scenarios with mass BC liberator ghost. The new emp makes it possible to send 2 cloaked ghosts onto creep...send bcs to a corner base to snipe and then emp 15 infestors walking to defend w those 2 ghosts .port ur bcs onto them and win the game. This happened multiple times in the series. Lets wait and watch this now in Maru and TYs hands b4 we go talking about "not enough" please and thanks.

Also Reynor showed he's not good in TvZ against Maru. His strengths are elsewhere and he's not a good example for this reason. (similarily you don't want to use Patience for Protoss related stuff or Maru for TvT)


First of all reynor isn’t so bad at TVZ that he loses late game, the hardest phase of the game, to a player of souls level (no offense to soul.

Second of all, watch scarlet vs masa g3 and g4. Masa takes late game off of Scarlett, a late game TVZ savant

Hell we only need to look at dark losing to keen in the late game this very tournament


I take it you dont know soul but all he plays and goes for is late game terran, so I would argue it makes perfect sense for him to beat raynor.


Would it make sense for him to beat reynor if infestors were actually unstoppable vs Terran lategame?

It doesnt matter that soul is a lategame guy when there is a pretty big gulf in skill between the two players (and if infestors were truly unstoppable)....it wasnt even once but twice.

and there is a laundry list of Terran players beating Zerg players' infestor comps in the lategame including other significant mismatches like Masa vs Scarlett
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KobeSteak
Profile Joined August 2019
39 Posts
August 30 2019 22:38 GMT
#47
Lol...

Are people really whining about zerg TvZ late game in this group? terran whines never cease to amaze me

No offense to Keen or Fantasy, but they are no where close to Dark's level.


WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27041 Posts
August 31 2019 00:05 GMT
#48
On August 31 2019 05:05 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2019 04:07 Conut wrote:
On August 30 2019 18:46 BerserkSword wrote:
On August 30 2019 18:01 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 30 2019 13:32 DomeGetta wrote:
For anybody who didnt watch.. check out soul vs reynor from the wcs fall eu qualifiers. Soul goes up 2 - 0 on Reynor..who is argueably a top 3 zerg in the world (for comparison..soul would be lucky to make the top 10 terran list). He ends up losing the series 3 to 2 but wins a couple of late game scenarios with mass BC liberator ghost. The new emp makes it possible to send 2 cloaked ghosts onto creep...send bcs to a corner base to snipe and then emp 15 infestors walking to defend w those 2 ghosts .port ur bcs onto them and win the game. This happened multiple times in the series. Lets wait and watch this now in Maru and TYs hands b4 we go talking about "not enough" please and thanks.

Also Reynor showed he's not good in TvZ against Maru. His strengths are elsewhere and he's not a good example for this reason. (similarily you don't want to use Patience for Protoss related stuff or Maru for TvT)


First of all reynor isn’t so bad at TVZ that he loses late game, the hardest phase of the game, to a player of souls level (no offense to soul.

Second of all, watch scarlet vs masa g3 and g4. Masa takes late game off of Scarlett, a late game TVZ savant

Hell we only need to look at dark losing to keen in the late game this very tournament


I take it you dont know soul but all he plays and goes for is late game terran, so I would argue it makes perfect sense for him to beat raynor.


Would it make sense for him to beat reynor if infestors were actually unstoppable vs Terran lategame?

It doesnt matter that soul is a lategame guy when there is a pretty big gulf in skill between the two players (and if infestors were truly unstoppable)....it wasnt even once but twice.

and there is a laundry list of Terran players beating Zerg players' infestor comps in the lategame including other significant mismatches like Masa vs Scarlett

Soul is known for having good lategame vZ, hence why a guy like Serral uses him as a practice partner.

Reynor is visibly, as things stand not very good at lategame vT. Good in other phases but not lategame, yet.

A Terran whose speciality is lategame vZ vs a guy who’s not all that great in it? Who the guy who is better than Reynor in non mirror matchups uses as a practice partner in Serral, who has good lategame vT practices with?
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-01 03:49:32
August 31 2019 03:13 GMT
#49
On August 31 2019 09:05 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2019 05:05 BerserkSword wrote:
On August 31 2019 04:07 Conut wrote:
On August 30 2019 18:46 BerserkSword wrote:
On August 30 2019 18:01 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 30 2019 13:32 DomeGetta wrote:
For anybody who didnt watch.. check out soul vs reynor from the wcs fall eu qualifiers. Soul goes up 2 - 0 on Reynor..who is argueably a top 3 zerg in the world (for comparison..soul would be lucky to make the top 10 terran list). He ends up losing the series 3 to 2 but wins a couple of late game scenarios with mass BC liberator ghost. The new emp makes it possible to send 2 cloaked ghosts onto creep...send bcs to a corner base to snipe and then emp 15 infestors walking to defend w those 2 ghosts .port ur bcs onto them and win the game. This happened multiple times in the series. Lets wait and watch this now in Maru and TYs hands b4 we go talking about "not enough" please and thanks.

Also Reynor showed he's not good in TvZ against Maru. His strengths are elsewhere and he's not a good example for this reason. (similarily you don't want to use Patience for Protoss related stuff or Maru for TvT)


First of all reynor isn’t so bad at TVZ that he loses late game, the hardest phase of the game, to a player of souls level (no offense to soul.

Second of all, watch scarlet vs masa g3 and g4. Masa takes late game off of Scarlett, a late game TVZ savant

Hell we only need to look at dark losing to keen in the late game this very tournament


I take it you dont know soul but all he plays and goes for is late game terran, so I would argue it makes perfect sense for him to beat raynor.


Would it make sense for him to beat reynor if infestors were actually unstoppable vs Terran lategame?

It doesnt matter that soul is a lategame guy when there is a pretty big gulf in skill between the two players (and if infestors were truly unstoppable)....it wasnt even once but twice.

and there is a laundry list of Terran players beating Zerg players' infestor comps in the lategame including other significant mismatches like Masa vs Scarlett

Soul is known for having good lategame vZ, hence why a guy like Serral uses him as a practice partner.

Reynor is visibly, as things stand not very good at lategame vT. Good in other phases but not lategame, yet.

A Terran whose speciality is lategame vZ vs a guy who’s not all that great in it? Who the guy who is better than Reynor in non mirror matchups uses as a practice partner in Serral, who has good lategame vT practices with?


Reynor is not good at lategame ZvT considering the caliber of player he is

He's one of the best lategame ZvT players in the world even after being weak in that area for a guy with the mechanics to beat serral in premier tournament bo7s

Even then, you have Masa doing the same thing to Scarlett, who is undoubtedly phenomenal at lategame ZvT.

And Keen doing the same thing to Dark.

Special did the same thing to reynor too in gsl vs the world, and special is no lategame savant

So it's not isolated to Soul vs Reynor

Edit:

just found another one Soul vs Lambo in WCS challenger



Soul was down to like 40 something army supply against a 110 army supply of brood lord infestor corruptor at one time and still pulled through
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