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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
May 06 2019 13:21 GMT
#21
On May 06 2019 21:59 Greenei wrote:
The distribution of seeds on regions seems really unfair. EU is so much stronger than the rest. We should have a distribution like EU (10), NA (4), Rest (2).


2 slots in total for China, Taiwan (and the other three), Latam and SEA/Oceania? Lol...
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NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
May 06 2019 14:13 GMT
#22
On May 06 2019 22:12 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2019 21:51 JoFar wrote:
On May 06 2019 16:00 Dave4 wrote:
Great work Neeb.

Also particularly excited for TLO, can't believe he is still around and kicking ass. I remember when he was well known way back in beta days for his ingenuity.


Good job by Neeb, but in the end there wasn't really somebody able to challange him with Scarlett not playing.

I am happy for TLO, too.

But to be honest, it also shows one more how weak overall NA is. TLO barely made it to RO16 in the last european qualifiers / tournaments he played. I don't think any player besides Neeb (and Scarlett, if she had played in the Qualifiers) from the NA Top 8 could have made it into the EU Top 8. Maybe they wouldn't even be the favorite against Top16 EU Players.



Well Neeb, Scarlett, and Special could potentially be favored over any EU player other than Serral. They'd also all be capable of beating Serral sometimes. So I'd say NA is pretty top heavy. One great zerg, one great terran, and one great protoss, then mediocrity below them.


NA just doesn't have the depth for some reason.
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
May 06 2019 14:16 GMT
#23
On May 06 2019 22:21 sudete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2019 21:59 Greenei wrote:
The distribution of seeds on regions seems really unfair. EU is so much stronger than the rest. We should have a distribution like EU (10), NA (4), Rest (2).


2 slots in total for China, Taiwan (and the other three), Latam and SEA/Oceania? Lol...


Yeah, there are like 2 good players from those regions: Has and Special. It's just a rough sketch but the current distribution seems way off to me with all kinds of mediocre players making it through, while strong EU players aren't.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 06 2019 14:19 GMT
#24
On May 06 2019 23:16 Greenei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2019 22:21 sudete wrote:
On May 06 2019 21:59 Greenei wrote:
The distribution of seeds on regions seems really unfair. EU is so much stronger than the rest. We should have a distribution like EU (10), NA (4), Rest (2).


2 slots in total for China, Taiwan (and the other three), Latam and SEA/Oceania? Lol...


Yeah, there are like 2 good players from those regions: Has and Special. It's just a rough sketch but the current distribution seems way off to me with all kinds of mediocre players making it through, while strong EU players aren't.

It's region lock inside region lock. European players definitely have it easier with how how they had go4sc2 for years and university actually not costing money etc..
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
May 06 2019 14:20 GMT
#25
Grats to Neeb, kind of a stomp without Scarlett though :/ Hyped for Kiev still!
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7142 Posts
May 06 2019 14:23 GMT
#26
On May 06 2019 23:19 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2019 23:16 Greenei wrote:
On May 06 2019 22:21 sudete wrote:
On May 06 2019 21:59 Greenei wrote:
The distribution of seeds on regions seems really unfair. EU is so much stronger than the rest. We should have a distribution like EU (10), NA (4), Rest (2).


2 slots in total for China, Taiwan (and the other three), Latam and SEA/Oceania? Lol...


Yeah, there are like 2 good players from those regions: Has and Special. It's just a rough sketch but the current distribution seems way off to me with all kinds of mediocre players making it through, while strong EU players aren't.

It's region lock inside region lock. European players definitely have it easier with how how they had go4sc2 for years and university actually not costing money etc..


And Health Care! Don't forget Health Care
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 06 2019 14:37 GMT
#27
On May 06 2019 23:23 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2019 23:19 Ej_ wrote:
On May 06 2019 23:16 Greenei wrote:
On May 06 2019 22:21 sudete wrote:
On May 06 2019 21:59 Greenei wrote:
The distribution of seeds on regions seems really unfair. EU is so much stronger than the rest. We should have a distribution like EU (10), NA (4), Rest (2).


2 slots in total for China, Taiwan (and the other three), Latam and SEA/Oceania? Lol...


Yeah, there are like 2 good players from those regions: Has and Special. It's just a rough sketch but the current distribution seems way off to me with all kinds of mediocre players making it through, while strong EU players aren't.

It's region lock inside region lock. European players definitely have it easier with how how they had go4sc2 for years and university actually not costing money etc..


And Health Care! Don't forget Health Care

Well, I don't mean any irony here. It IS easier being a progamer in Europe, probably even easier than in Korea at this point (for up and comers), cutting slots from other regions further removes the possible ventures for the players in those.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
May 06 2019 14:42 GMT
#28
Fair play to JonSnow for making it to the finals, condolences on the loss but congratulations to Neeblet.
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parrotpitaya
Profile Joined January 2019
Germany37 Posts
May 06 2019 14:45 GMT
#29
On May 06 2019 23:16 Greenei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2019 22:21 sudete wrote:
On May 06 2019 21:59 Greenei wrote:
The distribution of seeds on regions seems really unfair. EU is so much stronger than the rest. We should have a distribution like EU (10), NA (4), Rest (2).


2 slots in total for China, Taiwan (and the other three), Latam and SEA/Oceania? Lol...


Yeah, there are like 2 good players from those regions: Has and Special. It's just a rough sketch but the current distribution seems way off to me with all kinds of mediocre players making it through, while strong EU players aren't.


Take into account that most of series happen in Europe that player from other regions have difficulty joining offline qualifier.

Also there are more than two good players in these region: At least Kelazhur, Cham, TIME and NICE are not worse than most of disqualified EU players except Heromarine and Reynor.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-06 14:52:45
May 06 2019 14:52 GMT
#30
On May 06 2019 21:59 Greenei wrote:
The distribution of seeds on regions seems really unfair. EU is so much stronger than the rest. We should have a distribution like EU (10), NA (4), Rest (2).

but 8 foreigners at Blizzcon is fair? Hypocrite!
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Noa Greenini
Profile Joined April 2015
265 Posts
May 06 2019 15:20 GMT
#31
On May 06 2019 23:52 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2019 21:59 Greenei wrote:
The distribution of seeds on regions seems really unfair. EU is so much stronger than the rest. We should have a distribution like EU (10), NA (4), Rest (2).

but 8 foreigners at Blizzcon is fair? Hypocrite!


How does that make him a hypocrite? Is he the one creating the rules for GSL tournaments except this one? Or did you refer to a previous statement by the user that would contradict his opinion about this Circuit? Anyway, different tournaments are different and people are allowed to have different opinions on different things without being hypocrites.

Although I don't see how it is unfair just because the EU has more top players. They can play the bracket.
Noa Greenini looks like the superior LR poster - Charoisaur 04/05/2019 (Serral vs Showtime match)
JoFar
Profile Joined January 2017
31 Posts
May 06 2019 17:21 GMT
#32
On May 06 2019 22:12 NinjaNight wrote:


Well Neeb, Scarlett, and Special could potentially be favored over any EU player other than Serral. They'd also all be capable of beating Serral sometimes. So I'd say NA is pretty top heavy. One great zerg, one great terran, and one great protoss, then mediocrity below them.


Well, Special is no longer NA (region within region-wise) but Latin America (who have their own qualifiers), so my argument stands ... in the end it is only Neeb and (sometimes, if she doesn't prefer to play in Korea) Scarlett. Not a lot of top players to battle for four qualification places


starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
May 06 2019 17:45 GMT
#33
On May 06 2019 23:52 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2019 21:59 Greenei wrote:
The distribution of seeds on regions seems really unfair. EU is so much stronger than the rest. We should have a distribution like EU (10), NA (4), Rest (2).

but 8 foreigners at Blizzcon is fair? Hypocrite!

I wish they would cut the foreigner blizzcon spots to 4 but whatever its never going to happen
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
May 06 2019 18:29 GMT
#34
no special, no scarlett, no kelazhur.

free tournament for neeb
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alpenrahm
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany629 Posts
May 06 2019 18:40 GMT
#35
On May 06 2019 22:12 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2019 21:51 JoFar wrote:
On May 06 2019 16:00 Dave4 wrote:
Great work Neeb.

Also particularly excited for TLO, can't believe he is still around and kicking ass. I remember when he was well known way back in beta days for his ingenuity.


Good job by Neeb, but in the end there wasn't really somebody able to challange him with Scarlett not playing.

I am happy for TLO, too.

But to be honest, it also shows one more how weak overall NA is. TLO barely made it to RO16 in the last european qualifiers / tournaments he played. I don't think any player besides Neeb (and Scarlett, if she had played in the Qualifiers) from the NA Top 8 could have made it into the EU Top 8. Maybe they wouldn't even be the favorite against Top16 EU Players.



Well Neeb, Scarlett, and Special could potentially be favored over any EU player other than Serral. They'd also all be capable of beating Serral sometimes. So I'd say NA is pretty top heavy. One great zerg, one great terran, and one great protoss, then mediocrity below them.



No way i d flat out favor Neeb Scarlett and Special over the likes of Showtime Uthermal and Reynor. Maybe they d come out even, but defenitly not favored.
NinjaNight
Profile Joined January 2018
428 Posts
May 06 2019 18:43 GMT
#36
On May 07 2019 03:40 alpenrahm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2019 22:12 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 06 2019 21:51 JoFar wrote:
On May 06 2019 16:00 Dave4 wrote:
Great work Neeb.

Also particularly excited for TLO, can't believe he is still around and kicking ass. I remember when he was well known way back in beta days for his ingenuity.


Good job by Neeb, but in the end there wasn't really somebody able to challange him with Scarlett not playing.

I am happy for TLO, too.

But to be honest, it also shows one more how weak overall NA is. TLO barely made it to RO16 in the last european qualifiers / tournaments he played. I don't think any player besides Neeb (and Scarlett, if she had played in the Qualifiers) from the NA Top 8 could have made it into the EU Top 8. Maybe they wouldn't even be the favorite against Top16 EU Players.



Well Neeb, Scarlett, and Special could potentially be favored over any EU player other than Serral. They'd also all be capable of beating Serral sometimes. So I'd say NA is pretty top heavy. One great zerg, one great terran, and one great protoss, then mediocrity below them.



No way i d flat out favor Neeb Scarlett and Special over the likes of Showtime Uthermal and Reynor. Maybe they d come out even, but defenitly not favored.


Depends on form and if they looked amazing in very recent games compared to the other guys. They could definitely be favored depending on the circumstances.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-06 18:49:14
May 06 2019 18:49 GMT
#37
On May 07 2019 03:43 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2019 03:40 alpenrahm wrote:
On May 06 2019 22:12 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 06 2019 21:51 JoFar wrote:
On May 06 2019 16:00 Dave4 wrote:
Great work Neeb.

Also particularly excited for TLO, can't believe he is still around and kicking ass. I remember when he was well known way back in beta days for his ingenuity.


Good job by Neeb, but in the end there wasn't really somebody able to challange him with Scarlett not playing.

I am happy for TLO, too.

But to be honest, it also shows one more how weak overall NA is. TLO barely made it to RO16 in the last european qualifiers / tournaments he played. I don't think any player besides Neeb (and Scarlett, if she had played in the Qualifiers) from the NA Top 8 could have made it into the EU Top 8. Maybe they wouldn't even be the favorite against Top16 EU Players.



Well Neeb, Scarlett, and Special could potentially be favored over any EU player other than Serral. They'd also all be capable of beating Serral sometimes. So I'd say NA is pretty top heavy. One great zerg, one great terran, and one great protoss, then mediocrity below them.



No way i d flat out favor Neeb Scarlett and Special over the likes of Showtime Uthermal and Reynor. Maybe they d come out even, but defenitly not favored.


Depends on form and if they looked amazing in very recent games compared to the other guys. They could definitely be favored depending on the circumstances.

I tend to think looking at the top few players from each region to not be very informative. Be interesting to see how the thought experiment goes if we take the 9th-16th players instead of the 1st-8th and compare the relative strength.

Also I think it can't be understated this is just the direct entry into WCS Spring. Players who have sponsors or the means to attend the LAN still have a chance in the actual event iirc.
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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4532 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-11 21:04:13
May 11 2019 06:05 GMT
#38
On May 07 2019 03:40 alpenrahm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2019 22:12 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 06 2019 21:51 JoFar wrote:
On May 06 2019 16:00 Dave4 wrote:
Great work Neeb.

Also particularly excited for TLO, can't believe he is still around and kicking ass. I remember when he was well known way back in beta days for his ingenuity.


Good job by Neeb, but in the end there wasn't really somebody able to challange him with Scarlett not playing.

I am happy for TLO, too.

But to be honest, it also shows one more how weak overall NA is. TLO barely made it to RO16 in the last european qualifiers / tournaments he played. I don't think any player besides Neeb (and Scarlett, if she had played in the Qualifiers) from the NA Top 8 could have made it into the EU Top 8. Maybe they wouldn't even be the favorite against Top16 EU Players.



Well Neeb, Scarlett, and Special could potentially be favored over any EU player other than Serral. They'd also all be capable of beating Serral sometimes. So I'd say NA is pretty top heavy. One great zerg, one great terran, and one great protoss, then mediocrity below them.


No way i d flat out favor Neeb Scarlett and Special over the likes of Showtime Uthermal and Reynor. Maybe they d come out even, but defenitly not favored.
Other than Neeb's current pvp form. Neeb is a step above all players mentioned there. Second only to non-neeb opponent Serral.

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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
May 11 2019 12:10 GMT
#39
On May 07 2019 03:40 alpenrahm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2019 22:12 NinjaNight wrote:
On May 06 2019 21:51 JoFar wrote:
On May 06 2019 16:00 Dave4 wrote:
Great work Neeb.

Also particularly excited for TLO, can't believe he is still around and kicking ass. I remember when he was well known way back in beta days for his ingenuity.


Good job by Neeb, but in the end there wasn't really somebody able to challange him with Scarlett not playing.

I am happy for TLO, too.

But to be honest, it also shows one more how weak overall NA is. TLO barely made it to RO16 in the last european qualifiers / tournaments he played. I don't think any player besides Neeb (and Scarlett, if she had played in the Qualifiers) from the NA Top 8 could have made it into the EU Top 8. Maybe they wouldn't even be the favorite against Top16 EU Players.



Well Neeb, Scarlett, and Special could potentially be favored over any EU player other than Serral. They'd also all be capable of beating Serral sometimes. So I'd say NA is pretty top heavy. One great zerg, one great terran, and one great protoss, then mediocrity below them.



No way i d flat out favor Neeb Scarlett and Special over the likes of Showtime Uthermal and Reynor. Maybe they d come out even, but defenitly not favored.



They are definitely favored in my opinion. Especially since Neeb is by far the strongest player of that group and Showtime has fallen off a cliff recently.

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