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On April 04 2019 00:46 Elentos wrote:
But I don't think anyone deserves to occupy the #1 spot. Looking at the top 5 I already felt that all of them were too high, even though nobody outperformed them.
They should have made a power rank where nobody was ranked first for extra controversy =P. If there were ever a time to do it, it would be now.
I hope Trap wins this GSL just to throw everything farther into uncertainty.
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Dark in top 1 is too weird
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On April 04 2019 07:40 IshinShishi wrote:
Dark in top 1 is too weird
You mean it's out of place to rank him first now? Or that the very idea of Dark being #1 seems weird? He definitely was the best player in the world in 2016.
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Is the monthly power rank slowly turning into a curse?
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On seeing Dark #1, my first thought was: "Guys, if you want to do the April fool's thing, it has to actually happen on the first of the month."
But really, I can't think of anyone who really belongs there, so why not? This is as good a ranking as any, though the timing is pretty hilarious.
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On April 04 2019 05:00 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2019 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:
In a head-to-head I'd favor Maru everytime due to Serral's weak ZvT but I think Serral has overall been the better player this year so looking at head-to-head between 2 players only isn't a very good way to go about it. Maru's TvZ is on average better than Serral's ZvT; however, I'd bet on BlizzCon Serral over Code S S2 Maru every time. Serral played very few games against Terran during his period of dominance(excluding HSC which was played on another patch), but he looked deadly at GSL vs the World; also, Maru's TvZ was shaky in 2019, Serral might have won if they faced at WESG.
Tbh, INnoVation's TvZ is pretty bad compared to Maru's. His winrate against Koreans offline from 2018 to now is barely 50% and it doesn't seem to have gotten much better (it's 38% so far this year, and if you count his games against Serral, it would still only be 48%). I think people believe his TvZ is stronger than it really is because he took a lot of sets off Rogue but I honestly think that Rogue (Solar maybe) is probably the most inconsistent top player in terms of the quality of his play. That said, INnoVation's TvT has been looking really strong. He outclassed Maru pretty badly at WESG.
Edit: I will admit, INnoVation's series against Serral showed that he can play TvZ very well but I honestly think Maru's TvZ is much stronger. INnoVation basically never beats Dark nowadays and Maru is probably the only terran who is favoured against Dark (no other terran is even close to being even with Dark). Maru's TvZ winrate in from 2018 to now is 70% (and 75% this year over 12 games), which is way higher than INnoVation's,
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On April 04 2019 13:55 Anc13nt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2019 05:00 Xain0n wrote:On April 04 2019 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:
In a head-to-head I'd favor Maru everytime due to Serral's weak ZvT but I think Serral has overall been the better player this year so looking at head-to-head between 2 players only isn't a very good way to go about it. Maru's TvZ is on average better than Serral's ZvT; however, I'd bet on BlizzCon Serral over Code S S2 Maru every time. Serral played very few games against Terran during his period of dominance(excluding HSC which was played on another patch), but he looked deadly at GSL vs the World; also, Maru's TvZ was shaky in 2019, Serral might have won if they faced at WESG. Tbh, INnoVation's TvZ is pretty bad compared to Maru's. His winrate against Koreans offline from 2018 to now is barely 50% and it doesn't seem to have gotten much better (it's 38% so far this year, and if you count his games against Serral, it would still only be 48%). I think people believe his TvZ is stronger than it really is because he took a lot of sets off Rogue but I honestly think that Rogue (Solar maybe) is probably the most inconsistent top player in terms of the quality of his play. That said, INnoVation's TvT has been looking really strong. He outclassed Maru pretty badly at WESG. Edit: I will admit, INnoVation's series against Serral showed that he can play TvZ very well but I honestly think Maru's TvZ is much stronger. INnoVation basically never beats Dark nowadays and Maru is probably the only terran who is favoured against Dark (no other terran is even close to being even with Dark). Maru's TvZ winrate in from 2018 to now is 70% (and 75% this year over 12 games), which is way higher than INnoVation's,
What evidence do we have that Maru's TvZ is godlike? Which top Zergs has he beaten recently?
The only notable TvZ I can remember Maru playing this year is against Dark at IEM–but Inno also played a very impressive TvZ at IEM, and then did it again at WESG. Not to mention Maru's appalling series against Scarlett, plus getting upset by MeomaikA, both of which seriously undermine his TvZ credentials in my eyes.
Maru at his peak plays a very scary TvZ, but I'm not seeing much evidence that he's anywhere near his peak right now.
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On April 04 2019 14:07 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2019 13:55 Anc13nt wrote:On April 04 2019 05:00 Xain0n wrote:On April 04 2019 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:
In a head-to-head I'd favor Maru everytime due to Serral's weak ZvT but I think Serral has overall been the better player this year so looking at head-to-head between 2 players only isn't a very good way to go about it. Maru's TvZ is on average better than Serral's ZvT; however, I'd bet on BlizzCon Serral over Code S S2 Maru every time. Serral played very few games against Terran during his period of dominance(excluding HSC which was played on another patch), but he looked deadly at GSL vs the World; also, Maru's TvZ was shaky in 2019, Serral might have won if they faced at WESG. Tbh, INnoVation's TvZ is pretty bad compared to Maru's. His winrate against Koreans offline from 2018 to now is barely 50% and it doesn't seem to have gotten much better (it's 38% so far this year, and if you count his games against Serral, it would still only be 48%). I think people believe his TvZ is stronger than it really is because he took a lot of sets off Rogue but I honestly think that Rogue (Solar maybe) is probably the most inconsistent top player in terms of the quality of his play. That said, INnoVation's TvT has been looking really strong. He outclassed Maru pretty badly at WESG. Edit: I will admit, INnoVation's series against Serral showed that he can play TvZ very well but I honestly think Maru's TvZ is much stronger. INnoVation basically never beats Dark nowadays and Maru is probably the only terran who is favoured against Dark (no other terran is even close to being even with Dark). Maru's TvZ winrate in from 2018 to now is 70% (and 75% this year over 12 games), which is way higher than INnoVation's, What evidence do we have that Maru's TvZ is godlike? Which top Zergs has he beaten recently? The only notable TvZ I can remember Maru playing this year is against Dark at IEM–but Inno also played a very impressive TvZ at IEM, and then did it again at WESG. Not to mention Maru's appalling series against Scarlett, plus getting upset by MeomaikA, both of which seriously undermine his TvZ credentials in my eyes. Maru at his peak plays a very scary TvZ, but I'm not seeing much evidence that he's anywhere near his peak right now.
Honestly, he hasn't shown very much TvZ but of 12 games he played, he went 9-3, which suggests he's still in good TvZ form.
Edit: I'm only looking at games against Korean zerg because if you include winrate against non-koreans, they become a lot higher. I admit his series versus Scarlett didn't show that his TvZ was amazing but if you think about it, it was basically a 3-1 and Scarlett is no slouch ofc.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 04 2019 14:07 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2019 13:55 Anc13nt wrote:On April 04 2019 05:00 Xain0n wrote:On April 04 2019 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:
In a head-to-head I'd favor Maru everytime due to Serral's weak ZvT but I think Serral has overall been the better player this year so looking at head-to-head between 2 players only isn't a very good way to go about it. Maru's TvZ is on average better than Serral's ZvT; however, I'd bet on BlizzCon Serral over Code S S2 Maru every time. Serral played very few games against Terran during his period of dominance(excluding HSC which was played on another patch), but he looked deadly at GSL vs the World; also, Maru's TvZ was shaky in 2019, Serral might have won if they faced at WESG. Tbh, INnoVation's TvZ is pretty bad compared to Maru's. His winrate against Koreans offline from 2018 to now is barely 50% and it doesn't seem to have gotten much better (it's 38% so far this year, and if you count his games against Serral, it would still only be 48%). I think people believe his TvZ is stronger than it really is because he took a lot of sets off Rogue but I honestly think that Rogue (Solar maybe) is probably the most inconsistent top player in terms of the quality of his play. That said, INnoVation's TvT has been looking really strong. He outclassed Maru pretty badly at WESG. Edit: I will admit, INnoVation's series against Serral showed that he can play TvZ very well but I honestly think Maru's TvZ is much stronger. INnoVation basically never beats Dark nowadays and Maru is probably the only terran who is favoured against Dark (no other terran is even close to being even with Dark). Maru's TvZ winrate in from 2018 to now is 70% (and 75% this year over 12 games), which is way higher than INnoVation's, What evidence do we have that Maru's TvZ is godlike? Which top Zergs has he beaten recently? The only notable TvZ I can remember Maru playing this year is against Dark at IEM–but Inno also played a very impressive TvZ at IEM, and then did it again at WESG. Not to mention Maru's appalling series against Scarlett, plus getting upset by MeomaikA, both of which seriously undermine his TvZ credentials in my eyes. Maru at his peak plays a very scary TvZ, but I'm not seeing much evidence that he's anywhere near his peak right now.
MeomaikA games:
Game#1 - Maru went for a drop while MeomaikA went for the baneling bust. The armies missed each other, MeomaikA flooded Maru's natural while having enough lings to not allow a safe drop. If he knew who MeomaikA is he wouldn't do the drop so carelessly 
Game#2 - BO loss with Maru ignoring/forgetting full wall of main.
I don't think these games are any special prove that his TvZ is not in a good form, apart from Bly I don't know about anyone this aggressive, maybe RO16 Scarlett 
Not to mention that Scarlett can go toe to toe with the best Terrans, this just undermines her achievements more than Maru's TvZ
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On April 04 2019 17:21 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2019 14:07 pvsnp wrote:On April 04 2019 13:55 Anc13nt wrote:On April 04 2019 05:00 Xain0n wrote:On April 04 2019 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:
In a head-to-head I'd favor Maru everytime due to Serral's weak ZvT but I think Serral has overall been the better player this year so looking at head-to-head between 2 players only isn't a very good way to go about it. Maru's TvZ is on average better than Serral's ZvT; however, I'd bet on BlizzCon Serral over Code S S2 Maru every time. Serral played very few games against Terran during his period of dominance(excluding HSC which was played on another patch), but he looked deadly at GSL vs the World; also, Maru's TvZ was shaky in 2019, Serral might have won if they faced at WESG. Tbh, INnoVation's TvZ is pretty bad compared to Maru's. His winrate against Koreans offline from 2018 to now is barely 50% and it doesn't seem to have gotten much better (it's 38% so far this year, and if you count his games against Serral, it would still only be 48%). I think people believe his TvZ is stronger than it really is because he took a lot of sets off Rogue but I honestly think that Rogue (Solar maybe) is probably the most inconsistent top player in terms of the quality of his play. That said, INnoVation's TvT has been looking really strong. He outclassed Maru pretty badly at WESG. Edit: I will admit, INnoVation's series against Serral showed that he can play TvZ very well but I honestly think Maru's TvZ is much stronger. INnoVation basically never beats Dark nowadays and Maru is probably the only terran who is favoured against Dark (no other terran is even close to being even with Dark). Maru's TvZ winrate in from 2018 to now is 70% (and 75% this year over 12 games), which is way higher than INnoVation's, What evidence do we have that Maru's TvZ is godlike? Which top Zergs has he beaten recently? The only notable TvZ I can remember Maru playing this year is against Dark at IEM–but Inno also played a very impressive TvZ at IEM, and then did it again at WESG. Not to mention Maru's appalling series against Scarlett, plus getting upset by MeomaikA, both of which seriously undermine his TvZ credentials in my eyes. Maru at his peak plays a very scary TvZ, but I'm not seeing much evidence that he's anywhere near his peak right now. MeomaikA games: Game#1 - Maru went for a drop while MeomaikA went for the baneling bust. The armies missed each other, MeomaikA flooded Maru's natural while having enough lings to not allow a safe drop. If he knew who MeomaikA is he wouldn't do the drop so carelessly Game#2 - BO loss with Maru ignoring/forgetting full wall of main. I don't think these games are any special prove that his TvZ is not in a good form, apart from Bly I don't know about anyone this aggressive, maybe RO16 Scarlett Not to mention that Scarlett can go toe to toe with the best Terrans, this just undermines her achievements more than Maru's TvZ
Maru definitely knows who Meomaika is since they played each other a lot on the ladder.
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Seems to me you are way harder on Serral than you are on Dark.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 04 2019 17:38 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2019 17:21 deacon.frost wrote:On April 04 2019 14:07 pvsnp wrote:On April 04 2019 13:55 Anc13nt wrote:On April 04 2019 05:00 Xain0n wrote:On April 04 2019 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:
In a head-to-head I'd favor Maru everytime due to Serral's weak ZvT but I think Serral has overall been the better player this year so looking at head-to-head between 2 players only isn't a very good way to go about it. Maru's TvZ is on average better than Serral's ZvT; however, I'd bet on BlizzCon Serral over Code S S2 Maru every time. Serral played very few games against Terran during his period of dominance(excluding HSC which was played on another patch), but he looked deadly at GSL vs the World; also, Maru's TvZ was shaky in 2019, Serral might have won if they faced at WESG. Tbh, INnoVation's TvZ is pretty bad compared to Maru's. His winrate against Koreans offline from 2018 to now is barely 50% and it doesn't seem to have gotten much better (it's 38% so far this year, and if you count his games against Serral, it would still only be 48%). I think people believe his TvZ is stronger than it really is because he took a lot of sets off Rogue but I honestly think that Rogue (Solar maybe) is probably the most inconsistent top player in terms of the quality of his play. That said, INnoVation's TvT has been looking really strong. He outclassed Maru pretty badly at WESG. Edit: I will admit, INnoVation's series against Serral showed that he can play TvZ very well but I honestly think Maru's TvZ is much stronger. INnoVation basically never beats Dark nowadays and Maru is probably the only terran who is favoured against Dark (no other terran is even close to being even with Dark). Maru's TvZ winrate in from 2018 to now is 70% (and 75% this year over 12 games), which is way higher than INnoVation's, What evidence do we have that Maru's TvZ is godlike? Which top Zergs has he beaten recently? The only notable TvZ I can remember Maru playing this year is against Dark at IEM–but Inno also played a very impressive TvZ at IEM, and then did it again at WESG. Not to mention Maru's appalling series against Scarlett, plus getting upset by MeomaikA, both of which seriously undermine his TvZ credentials in my eyes. Maru at his peak plays a very scary TvZ, but I'm not seeing much evidence that he's anywhere near his peak right now. MeomaikA games: Game#1 - Maru went for a drop while MeomaikA went for the baneling bust. The armies missed each other, MeomaikA flooded Maru's natural while having enough lings to not allow a safe drop. If he knew who MeomaikA is he wouldn't do the drop so carelessly Game#2 - BO loss with Maru ignoring/forgetting full wall of main. I don't think these games are any special prove that his TvZ is not in a good form, apart from Bly I don't know about anyone this aggressive, maybe RO16 Scarlett Not to mention that Scarlett can go toe to toe with the best Terrans, this just undermines her achievements more than Maru's TvZ Maru definitely knows who Meomaika is since they played each other a lot on the ladder.
Then the games don't make any sense. He could have forgotten the addon, but the move-out in G1 doesn't make any sense at all if I accept the description of MeomaikA.
On April 04 2019 22:30 Greenei wrote:
Seems to me you are way harder on Serral than you are on Dark.
Most of the time Dark is competing in more stacked tournaments than Serral, so even if this is true, is it especially wrong?
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On April 03 2019 17:24 midhigh wrote:
I think this time it would have been more appropriate to put two #2-s or something like this in the ranking and simply avoiding to give out the #1 spot to anyone, since no one is deserved to be #1 this month, and nobody is playing like one.
In my eyes #1-4 is all at the same level right now, with more than one questionable losses already this year.
then it's not a power rank, it's just a vague tier list
people need to realize power ranks are for fun and to spark debate. it's not science, and it's not a crime to just throw someone in a certain spot and defend it with subjective analysis. no one is going to fucking die if a power rank is "wrong"
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On April 04 2019 08:06 Kazi25 wrote:
Is the monthly power rank slowly turning into a curse?
Maru was on top basically all last year and he still swept the GSL.
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Until he wins something, the only power ranking Dark should top is Master Choke Artist. His recent performances are a continuation of this theme.
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So it seems that Code S Maru managed to prove his doubters wrong once again. It's puzzling how dominant he looks season after season of GSL, yet he's so inconsistent in international tournaments. Is it the format? Is it the tailored builds for the opponent? The jet lag meme?
In any case, he made Trap look like he never belonged in the ro4. I think no matter what the final result, this 4-0 cements his second place in the ranking. As for Classic, his narrow win over Dark might propel him to top 5, I think it's a really close call between him Inno and soO at the moment.
Now as much as I was impressed by Classic's run, I actually think Maru will repeat today's performance and offer us a good old 4-0 boring final. His TvP is mindboggling, give him one week to prepare for his opponent and we might witness the first 4 consecutive time code S winner.
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On April 04 2019 23:11 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2019 17:38 Poopi wrote:On April 04 2019 17:21 deacon.frost wrote:On April 04 2019 14:07 pvsnp wrote:On April 04 2019 13:55 Anc13nt wrote:On April 04 2019 05:00 Xain0n wrote:On April 04 2019 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:
In a head-to-head I'd favor Maru everytime due to Serral's weak ZvT but I think Serral has overall been the better player this year so looking at head-to-head between 2 players only isn't a very good way to go about it. Maru's TvZ is on average better than Serral's ZvT; however, I'd bet on BlizzCon Serral over Code S S2 Maru every time. Serral played very few games against Terran during his period of dominance(excluding HSC which was played on another patch), but he looked deadly at GSL vs the World; also, Maru's TvZ was shaky in 2019, Serral might have won if they faced at WESG. Tbh, INnoVation's TvZ is pretty bad compared to Maru's. His winrate against Koreans offline from 2018 to now is barely 50% and it doesn't seem to have gotten much better (it's 38% so far this year, and if you count his games against Serral, it would still only be 48%). I think people believe his TvZ is stronger than it really is because he took a lot of sets off Rogue but I honestly think that Rogue (Solar maybe) is probably the most inconsistent top player in terms of the quality of his play. That said, INnoVation's TvT has been looking really strong. He outclassed Maru pretty badly at WESG. Edit: I will admit, INnoVation's series against Serral showed that he can play TvZ very well but I honestly think Maru's TvZ is much stronger. INnoVation basically never beats Dark nowadays and Maru is probably the only terran who is favoured against Dark (no other terran is even close to being even with Dark). Maru's TvZ winrate in from 2018 to now is 70% (and 75% this year over 12 games), which is way higher than INnoVation's, What evidence do we have that Maru's TvZ is godlike? Which top Zergs has he beaten recently? The only notable TvZ I can remember Maru playing this year is against Dark at IEM–but Inno also played a very impressive TvZ at IEM, and then did it again at WESG. Not to mention Maru's appalling series against Scarlett, plus getting upset by MeomaikA, both of which seriously undermine his TvZ credentials in my eyes. Maru at his peak plays a very scary TvZ, but I'm not seeing much evidence that he's anywhere near his peak right now. MeomaikA games: Game#1 - Maru went for a drop while MeomaikA went for the baneling bust. The armies missed each other, MeomaikA flooded Maru's natural while having enough lings to not allow a safe drop. If he knew who MeomaikA is he wouldn't do the drop so carelessly Game#2 - BO loss with Maru ignoring/forgetting full wall of main. I don't think these games are any special prove that his TvZ is not in a good form, apart from Bly I don't know about anyone this aggressive, maybe RO16 Scarlett Not to mention that Scarlett can go toe to toe with the best Terrans, this just undermines her achievements more than Maru's TvZ Maru definitely knows who Meomaika is since they played each other a lot on the ladder. Then the games don't make any sense. He could have forgotten the addon, but the move-out in G1 doesn't make any sense at all if I accept the description of MeomaikA. Show nested quote +On April 04 2019 22:30 Greenei wrote:
Seems to me you are way harder on Serral than you are on Dark. Most of the time Dark is competing in more stacked tournaments than Serral, so even if this is true, is it especially wrong?
Meo did cancel his roach warren game 1 (which Maru saw) and lair (which Maru didn't see get canceled iirc), so he might have gotten mindgamed a bit. Also let's be honest, Maru doesn't play in the slightest careful against players he thinks are worse than he is.
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France12907 Posts
The fun thing is that meomaika loss didn’t count but people point this as Maru sucking in TvZ, yet the Serral loss at IEM against INno was only because it didn’t count.
Double standards
Today results comfort the top 2 of Maru at least
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On April 06 2019 15:33 fastr wrote:
So it seems that Code S Maru managed to prove his doubters wrong once again. It's puzzling how dominant he looks season after season of GSL, yet he's so inconsistent in international tournaments. Is it the format? Is it the tailored builds for the opponent? The jet lag meme?
Maru just isn't as good outside of korea. People really underrate the effects on travel in sc2. If you bring it up people just accuse you of making excuses for X player losing.
Some people aren't good travelers. It can be the change in time zone, sudden change of diet (this can be a big one for performance), or possibly just inexperience competing in that environment. Players like Taeja or foreigners are used to it, but someone like Maru who's used to proleague and starleagues might not be.
Although Maru isn't as good in weekenders as well. Personally I think that's less to do with preparation and more stamina or maybe his wrists. Because even his mechanics look better in starleagues than weekenders, it's not like he's winning GSL of build order wins.
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