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SC2 Power Rank: April 2019 - Page 3

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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
April 03 2019 13:27 GMT
#41
It's great though that we get a power rank a month now! Those are always great read, and fun to talk about in between tournaments. Dark only lost 3-4 and it could have gone the other way so it's fine, it's not like Classic is a random.

WriterMaru
fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
April 03 2019 13:53 GMT
#42
I think there is nothing to argue about this PR apart from Maru being 2nd. Even I can see that his one win vs Dear isn't enough to let him climb from 5th to 2nd while he didn't look convincing at all in GSL Group Stage and WESG. I think we have to wait for Maru vs Trap before ranking him that high.
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
April 03 2019 14:51 GMT
#43
with bascily won nothn to deserve rank 1 ... just for a few good games i dont know if dark deserves 1
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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
April 03 2019 15:03 GMT
#44
i hope that soo overcomes rogue someday, his evil arch nemesis. thwarting him of gold at blizzcon and now the latest gsl. i am waiting for a miracle
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
April 03 2019 15:32 GMT
#45
If you're gonna complain about TL's ranking, at least offer some reasoning and an alternative player more deserving of the spot. Saying things like "Dark won nothing and he's first" or "Maru bombed WESG and he's second?, well yeah you might have a point, but who's first and second then? Every spot can be argued.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19246 Posts
April 03 2019 15:37 GMT
#46
I would say in a land where no one person is shining over the rest, Maru appears to be the best candidate for #1. His results have been good and he is still killing it in the GSL. His games versus Dear showed how amazing his mechanics still are and he looked scary good. His fear level is off the charts right now.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 15:48:03
April 03 2019 15:46 GMT
#47
On April 04 2019 00:37 BisuDagger wrote:
I would say in a land where no one person is shining over the rest, Maru appears to be the best candidate for #1. His results have been good and he is still killing it in the GSL. His games versus Dear showed how amazing his mechanics still are and he looked scary good. His fear level is off the charts right now.

Maru flopped at IEM and was not nearly strong enough to make a claim for #1 at any point of the month until he played against Dear. But I don't think anyone deserves to occupy the #1 spot. Looking at the top 5 I already felt that all of them were too high, even though nobody outperformed them.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 03 2019 16:01 GMT
#48
On April 03 2019 21:00 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2019 20:53 travis wrote:
If you look at results Serral should still obviously first. If GSL is weightedly so heavily that getting Ro4 makes you fly up into the top 2, it's basically going to be impossible for Serral to ever get first if there are top tier koreans doing consistently well in GSL.

Well losing to soO in IEM in a close 2-3 is a thing. Losing a close finals to INno 3-4 is something.

But then losing to both HeroMarine and Reynor? Imo that's a warning sign, and it's enough for him to be out of the top 2. I'd argue top 3 is already generous when there are probably 7-8 top kor that would do fine vs both these players right now, but since he had a monstrous 2018 they give him benefit of the doubt, as they do with Maru generous top 2.


I think it's understandable for Serral not to be first on this power ranking(less so for the previous power ranking and way less for the one before that; if Serral doesn't start winning international tournaments again, he will never get a first place on the ranking), finishing third in WCS Winter's groupstage wasn't a good result by any means; the argument of "he lost to X and Y", however, appears invalid to me, Reynor is(arguably?) better than Leenock and Heromarime is without a doubt better than Meomaika, who Maru lost 2-0 to(we could easily find 50 players who could beat Meomaika on a regular basis).

Serral did better than Maru at both IEM and WESG and was three positions ahead of him in March's power ranking, I don't see how reaching the semifinals of Code S makes up for this. Both Dark(fine) and Maru(meh) went up three spots in the ladder because of the semifinals, so I find extremely confusing to see Classic ahead of Trap given that the former just entered the power ranking while the latter held the tenth spot last month; the results of today have to be ignored for obvious reasons.

I understand a cut has to be made, I would have waited four/five days, the 7th/8th of April is just after its first week and, while retaining the results of Code S finals and Super Tournament for May's PR, you could make use of the insightful Code S semifinals and WCS Winter finals for this
power ranking(Trap vs Maru and Classic vs Dark seem quite important for this ladder, as well as the answer to the question of Serral's ability of winning one tournament again).
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
April 03 2019 16:08 GMT
#49
On April 04 2019 00:37 BisuDagger wrote:
I would say in a land where no one person is shining over the rest, Maru appears to be the best candidate for #1. His results have been good and he is still killing it in the GSL. His games versus Dear showed how amazing his mechanics still are and he looked scary good. His fear level is off the charts right now.


I would say Maru is actually, just based off results, the weakest to argue for a top 2 spot. He did not even get out of group stages at IEM, he didn't even win the "Group of Life" that he was in in GSL, and lost to the first korean he faced in WESG.

Basically he beat Dear and lost to everyone else.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 03 2019 17:09 GMT
#50
I mean power ranking should essentially be "if you had to bet all your money on one player winning any given tournament, who would you bet it on"?

Mine is definitely Serral but w/e. It's clear Serral literally has no way to top the power rank other than moving to korea and crushing GSL, or winning international tournaments over and over and over never faltering because it doesn't even make a positive impact (only hurts him somehow) when he gets a 2nd place instead of a first. Whereas a Maru can do it by winning a single GSL match and ignoring everything else that has happened for the last 2 months.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19246 Posts
April 03 2019 18:16 GMT
#51
On April 04 2019 02:09 travis wrote:
I mean power ranking should essentially be "if you had to bet all your money on one player winning any given tournament, who would you bet it on"?

Mine is definitely Serral but w/e. It's clear Serral literally has no way to top the power rank other than moving to korea and crushing GSL, or winning international tournaments over and over and over never faltering because it doesn't even make a positive impact (only hurts him somehow) when he gets a 2nd place instead of a first. Whereas a Maru can do it by winning a single GSL match and ignoring everything else that has happened for the last 2 months.

In GSL:
I'd bet all my money on Maru over Serral in the finals.

In all non-GSLs:
I'd bet all my money on Serral over Maru.

Maru losing outside of GSL is a meme at this point.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 03 2019 18:51 GMT
#52
I actually do agree with that lol
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
April 03 2019 19:07 GMT
#53
My bet would depend of the patch but more often I’ll bet on Maru rather than Serral
WriterMaru
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15967 Posts
April 03 2019 19:12 GMT
#54
In a head-to-head I'd favor Maru everytime due to Serral's weak ZvT but I think Serral has overall been the better player this year so looking at head-to-head between 2 players only isn't a very good way to go about it.
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Jimmon
Profile Joined May 2011
United States112 Posts
April 03 2019 19:17 GMT
#55
So Number 10 just beat a Number one today...

IDK, I'd say Trap is #1 right now.

He wins GSL 4-1 calling it right now.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15967 Posts
April 03 2019 19:31 GMT
#56
On April 04 2019 02:09 travis wrote:
I mean power ranking should essentially be "if you had to bet all your money on one player winning any given tournament, who would you bet it on"?

I disagree with that actually. I think Power Ranking is just about which player looks the strongest at the moment and sometimes the player that looks the strongest wouldn't be the player I'd bet on due to things like a history of choking at critical moments, being inconsistent, other player having a greater legacy etc.
If I had to bet all my money on one player to win the next tournament that comes up I think it would actually be Stats due to how insane he looked at Katowice up until the finals and his history of being the most consistent player in LotV but giving the #1 spot to a player who lost in the GSL ro32 would definitely be weird.
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 03 2019 19:47 GMT
#57
On April 04 2019 03:16 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2019 02:09 travis wrote:
I mean power ranking should essentially be "if you had to bet all your money on one player winning any given tournament, who would you bet it on"?

Mine is definitely Serral but w/e. It's clear Serral literally has no way to top the power rank other than moving to korea and crushing GSL, or winning international tournaments over and over and over never faltering because it doesn't even make a positive impact (only hurts him somehow) when he gets a 2nd place instead of a first. Whereas a Maru can do it by winning a single GSL match and ignoring everything else that has happened for the last 2 months.

In GSL:
I'd bet all my money on Maru over Serral in the finals.

In all non-GSLs:
I'd bet all my money on Serral over Maru.

Maru losing outside of GSL is a meme at this point.

Fairly irresponsible bankroll management there, but who am I to judge.

Also at this point i'm going full con-theo mode, the writers just purposefully set themselves up to for this, by releasing the PR with Dark first, hours before his semifinals, just to generate controversy :D
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 03 2019 20:00 GMT
#58
On April 04 2019 04:12 Charoisaur wrote:
In a head-to-head I'd favor Maru everytime due to Serral's weak ZvT but I think Serral has overall been the better player this year so looking at head-to-head between 2 players only isn't a very good way to go about it.


Maru's TvZ is on average better than Serral's ZvT; however, I'd bet on BlizzCon Serral over Code S S2 Maru every time.
Serral played very few games against Terran during his period of dominance(excluding HSC which was played on another patch), but he looked deadly at GSL vs the World; also, Maru's TvZ was shaky in 2019, Serral might have won if they faced at WESG.
GoodSirTets
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada200 Posts
April 03 2019 20:15 GMT
#59
Maru's going to win this GSL (and every consecutive GSL until they make a no Maru allowed korean league) and we're going to feel like idiots for ever doubting the based manlet of triumph
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Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-03 20:22:30
April 03 2019 20:20 GMT
#60
The top 5 players can pretty much beat each other atm, really hard to make a list. I would favour Dark, Serral and Maru tho.

Dark is a strange fella, he is always top 4-5, but is never defineatly top 1.
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