AAAAAANNNND there we go. Once you remove superhuman perception, its decision making is the only deciding factor. AlphaStar does not have superhuman decision making.... yet.

Nakajin

Canada8989 Posts

January 24 2019 20:17 GMT

#446

On January 25 2019 05:15 Poopi wrote:

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So why is alphastar suddenly so bad now that it has only one screen vision?

You think it looked bad?

Paljas

Germany6926 Posts

January 24 2019 20:17 GMT

#447

On January 25 2019 05:16 Ace Frehley wrote:
Walking back whole army for warp prism was a bad move, alphastar would win basetrade easily

It wouldn't be a base trade, it would be Mana defending and AlphaStar losing his main

Ace Frehley

2030 Posts

January 24 2019 20:17 GMT

#448

On January 25 2019 05:16 renaissanceMAN wrote:

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would it though?

Mana had 2 bases and tiny army, alphastar had 30+ stalkers plus godly micro

IshinShishi

Japan6156 Posts

January 24 2019 20:18 GMT

#449

it really doesnt deal well with harass, seems like you can beat it with dropship shenanigans all day

siakam

Korea (South)11 Posts

January 24 2019 20:18 GMT

#450

It was really entertaining game overall
Alphastar was impressive, it look liked have some limitations but will soon be much better
Hope it will be good affect for sc2

pvsnp

7676 Posts

January 24 2019 20:18 GMT

#451

On January 25 2019 05:16 renaissanceMAN wrote:

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would it though?

Agree with this, AlphaStar is not so stupid. Remember that in the other blink game it relied on poking and skirmishing instead of committing against a bunch of Immortals. Not sure going for the basetrade would have been optimal.

Garrl

Scotland1972 Posts

January 24 2019 20:18 GMT

#452

I think this game seriously showed the limitations of the AI in that it will never deviate from its' specific agent build - as artosis said in the game, it could've just built a single phoenix but it didn't.

as such it's a micro bot and not really intelligent in terms of builds or improvisation.

gophersnake

48 Posts

January 24 2019 20:18 GMT

#453

Alpha looks unfamiliar with how active defense really works, it probably has just determined that aggression is the best tool for achieving victory. It loves to make these aggressive micro-able units, but when its faced with an army composition it can't fight it is unsure how to deviate it's strategy while also defending against harassment.

renaissanceMAN

United States1840 Posts

January 24 2019 20:18 GMT

#454

On January 25 2019 05:18 IshinShishi wrote:
it really doesnt deal well with harass, seems like you can beat it with dropship shenanigans all day

Someone hook it up to BW and call Boxer.

RandomPlayer

Russian Federation390 Posts

January 24 2019 20:18 GMT

#455

On January 25 2019 05:15 Poopi wrote:

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So why is alphastar suddenly so bad now that it has only one screen vision?

because Mana has adjusted and tricked it.

Poopi

France12795 Posts

January 24 2019 20:19 GMT

#456

On January 25 2019 05:17 Nakajin wrote:

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You think it looked bad?

Yeah going back and forth to defend the prism, not making a phoenix and stuff was really bad.

renaissanceMAN

United States1840 Posts

January 24 2019 20:19 GMT

#457

On January 25 2019 05:18 RandomPlayer wrote:

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because Mana has adjusted and tricked it.

So if you give it an inhuman advantage it wins, but if you make it more human it's just mana tricking it?

ZigguratOfUr

Iraq16955 Posts

January 24 2019 20:19 GMT

#458

Alphastar leaving the base with his army repeatedly and Mana's warp prism just going back in immediately doesn't speak too highly of its decision making ability. But I'm sure it'll get better.