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StarCraft II: DeepMind Demonstration: Jan 24 - Page 21

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cha0
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada504 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-24 20:08:56
January 24 2019 20:07 GMT
#401
On January 25 2019 05:03 Gandie wrote:
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On January 25 2019 05:02 cha0 wrote:
On January 25 2019 05:00 Gandie wrote:
On January 25 2019 04:59 Musicus wrote:
zoom out map hack removed for this new agent, no complains after this?


Why would anyone complain. It's not a battle of humans vs. machines.


Because of the PR angle they keep putting on it. Like in this behind the scenes video they just showed the lead guy says "AlphaStar is limited to having the reaction time and control speed of an average human" when having just seen the games we can all see it clearly has inhuman micro.


The quote is true though. Where AS differs in its decision making. If every action is perfectly placed, regular pro reaction time and control speed are enough to dominate these games.


Have you been watching the games? Specifically the part where it's apm spiked to 1500 while microing stalkers vs Mana?? They limited it's 'average' apm, and the AI just learned to game the system, purposefully lowering it's apm out of battle and then spiking it super high during battle.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
January 24 2019 20:08 GMT
#402
On January 25 2019 05:05 Gandie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 05:02 StackerTwo wrote:
Also something to note AlphaStar roughly 300 "effective" apm vs human pros who has maybe 400 spam apm & 150 eapm



Show nested quote +
Serral in his WCS Leipzig replays consistently has 300+ EPM. 344 EPM in a game vs major's bio. The 3 other semi-finalists are around 200 EPM. Top Koreans I've looked are between 200-240. Serral is 50% faster than his opponents on average. Scary!


https://twitter.com/retjah/status/959047573930696704?lang=de

That's why I emphasized the "pure" aspect of it, I can get to 200+ eapm sometimes or at least the engine says I did, but we all know that wasn't really 200 precise meaningful actions at all, that's not the case with this A.I.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 24 2019 20:08 GMT
#403
On January 25 2019 05:03 JyB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 04:59 Musicus wrote:
zoom out map hack removed for this new agent, no complains after this?


No 1.5K apm spike?

don't think they changed that!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 24 2019 20:09 GMT
#404
this is so amazing to watch
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
January 24 2019 20:09 GMT
#405
That oracle harass omg
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
January 24 2019 20:09 GMT
#406
Mana seems pretty dead
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
January 24 2019 20:09 GMT
#407
Seems odd that the engine dosen't insta spot observer
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
January 24 2019 20:09 GMT
#408
looks a bit more human at least
JyB
Profile Joined January 2012
France466 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-24 20:10:43
January 24 2019 20:10 GMT
#409
On January 25 2019 05:08 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2019 05:03 JyB wrote:
On January 25 2019 04:59 Musicus wrote:
zoom out map hack removed for this new agent, no complains after this?


No 1.5K apm spike?

don't think they changed that!


so it's still just BS micro :o) The AI just goes around the avg limitations.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
January 24 2019 20:10 GMT
#410
fucking bot LOVES stalkers holy cow
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
January 24 2019 20:10 GMT
#411
mana should get double robo immortal
TL+ Member
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
January 24 2019 20:12 GMT
#412
hey guys, heard you liked oracles, so we built oracles for your oracles so you can oracle while you oracle
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1972 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-01-24 20:13:13
January 24 2019 20:12 GMT
#413
AI actually getting out multitasked lmao

also apparently doesnt know how to build any other units than stalkers and oracles
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
January 24 2019 20:12 GMT
#414
Wot
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Majick
Profile Joined August 2016
416 Posts
January 24 2019 20:13 GMT
#415
On January 25 2019 05:10 renaissanceMAN wrote:
fucking bot LOVES stalkers holy cow

lol
MarthTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany387 Posts
January 24 2019 20:13 GMT
#416
MANAAAAAAAA
youtube.com/c/MarthTV | twitter.com/Marth_TV | twitch.tv/marthtv
Jasper_Ty
Profile Joined July 2017
101 Posts
January 24 2019 20:13 GMT
#417
mana gamed the bot so hard
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
January 24 2019 20:13 GMT
#418
On January 25 2019 05:12 Garrl wrote:
AI actually getting out multitasked lmao


CAN'T BREATH
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
RandomPlayer
Profile Joined April 2012
Russian Federation390 Posts
January 24 2019 20:13 GMT
#419
People who find excuses and complain about EPM/POV difference - you are so many! Just shut up! You are not correct.
Majick
Profile Joined August 2016
416 Posts
January 24 2019 20:14 GMT
#420
MaNa the human hope
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