EPTAfter failing to qualify for GSL Code S, the multitime premier finalist is calling it quits after a 6 year career in SC2.
ByuL to retire from SC2
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
After failing to qualify for GSL Code S, the multitime premier finalist is calling it quits after a 6 year career in SC2.
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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Vutalisk
United States680 Posts
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Aelendis
Belgium892 Posts
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Boggyb
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hexhaven
Finland960 Posts
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LTCM
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On June 22 2018 02:17 Boggyb wrote: Letting non-Koreans play in the GSL causes Korean pros to retire when they fail to qualify and having nothing to do for half a year. Great region lock there, Blizzard. Yup. It's a disgrace really. | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
We should either turn off region lock or have an actual region lock. | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
ByuL probably does not train though. I do agree there are flaws in the system, but when I see that a retired player like TaeJa, for instance, was one series away from qualifying, I feel like ByuL was on a path towards retirement no matter what. | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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ThunderJunk
United States725 Posts
Y'all have no information. Very quick to blame region lock. If anything, region lock revived some interest in SC2 for a while. | ||
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
On June 22 2018 02:31 ThunderJunk wrote: Y'all have no information. Very quick to blame region lock. If anything, region lock revived some interest in SC2 for a while. As shown by the viewership that hasn't changed and non-existent new top players? SC2 is not dead by any means, but it's stagnating for sure. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
Oh well. Sucks there's nothing offline in Korea besides GSL. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
He left many great games behind too: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
This was actually the main reason I was sad to see Neeb get into GSL over him, the fact it actually happened feels bad  | ||
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Xamo
Spain884 Posts
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
If you're not on top 5 of your race, i don't see how you can survive on korea. And when you need a kespa team to reach quaterfinals as a zerg, Byul has no chance. The saddest part is he can probably crush nearly anyone on a foreigner region (on NA for example, i don't think he can beat Serral on EU, but maybe actually). And when you look GSL qualifier, it looks ten times more interesting than the last competitions we had on foreigner regions. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On June 22 2018 02:23 Serimek wrote: ByuL probably does not train though. I do agree there are flaws in the system, but when I see that a retired player like TaeJa, for instance, was one series away from qualifying, I feel like ByuL was on a path towards retirement no matter what. Or the fact that PartinG was able to qualify. Byul reached the ro16 twice last year, got ro4 ST1, ro4 Gyeonggi, and 3rd SSL Season 1. He was very clearly an upper level player. This year, he got ro32 twice, reaching the loser's finals twice, and never losing to a foreigner in Code S. There are indeed flaws with the region lock, but Byul underperforming is not a result of foreigners (especially with formerly retired players coming back and making or almost making it). | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
On June 22 2018 03:18 Seeker wrote: Damn... He retired before he could ever win a championship... Poor ByuL :/ Amongst players still active in Korea in 2018, he was the last big name without a Premier under his belt, wasn't he? Losira, Patience and KeeN are the next big names, but they are way lesser players than ByuL. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Farewell ByuL. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On June 22 2018 03:51 Serimek wrote: Amongst players still active in Korea in 2018, he was the last big name without a Premier under his belt, wasn't he? Losira, Patience and KeeN are the next big names, but they are way lesser players than ByuL. Patience won Homestory Cup XIV and Losira a Code A in 2011 back when it was a seperate tournament | ||
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
On June 22 2018 03:59 Ej_ wrote: Patience won Homestory Cup XIV and Losira a Code A in 2011 back when it was a seperate tournament I wasn't aware HSC were considered Premier. That's a bit silly. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On June 22 2018 02:51 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: A sad day, but it seemed like he was ready to check out as far back as the middle of 2017. Shame he couldn't get the gold in the end but at least he left his mark with one of the strongest peaks from a Zerg. His LBM was amazing when he was on his game. He left many great games behind too: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJY73yPwTaw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njHEbgEBFn8&t=0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y9iAlfD7Io&t=0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHkjTvftLsc&t=0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtsbRhJH7uo&t=0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uIa0Iu-Kz4&t=0s8&index=323 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5SU_KU4T6Y&t=0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TvIk2wocbY&t=0s https://youtu.be/267D4w-zU5Y?t=1967 you forgot Byul vs Revival, best game of all time | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
On June 22 2018 03:51 Serimek wrote: Amongst players still active in Korea in 2018, he was the last big name without a Premier under his belt, wasn't he? Losira, Patience and KeeN are the next big names, but they are way lesser players than ByuL. wait.... losira and keen haven't retired????? whoa | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
On June 22 2018 04:16 fishjie wrote: wait.... losira and keen haven't retired????? whoa They both are qualified for GSL Season 3 actually | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 22 2018 04:16 fishjie wrote: wait.... losira and keen haven't retired????? whoa They're both in GSL next season. They look pretty good sometimes as well, just not consistently. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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TheWildShooter
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On June 22 2018 04:08 starkiller123 wrote: you forgot Byul vs Revival, best game of all time Get out | ||
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spoonmaster
United States347 Posts
I see lots of people blaming region lock, I do not think that that is as big of a factor in this case as ByuL really didn't compete in many of the online leagues/cups that most Korean pros rely on for money. Though it is my personal opinion that more should be done to foster/keep Korean Code A level players much like WCS Challenger does for EU/NA. Will miss you ByuL! Remember lots of his emotional finals, bittersweet memories. | ||
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CynicalDeath
Italy3567 Posts
On June 22 2018 04:16 fishjie wrote: wait.... losira and keen haven't retired????? whoa lol Losira last gsl in which he did not qualify to, was 2015 season 2 for KeeN it was 2016 season 2 they still play in a ton of minor tournaments around so... :thinking: | ||
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xRS Forsaken
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On June 22 2018 04:30 TheWildShooter wrote: You can thank foreign players and the whole region lock thing for this. His GSL spot was stolen by Neeb, specifically. Neeb 2-0’d him. I’d say it was earned. Taeja almost qualified while still being in the military. Parting (who beat byul as well to qualify), mma, among other lesser tier Koreans who made it showed Byul must not have been practicing too much knowing his end was nearing. This was just the nail in the coffin. | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On June 22 2018 02:17 Boggyb wrote: Letting non-Koreans play in the GSL causes Korean pros to retire when they fail to qualify and have nothing to do for half a year. Great region lock there, Blizzard. What were people saying in the past? "We want the very best" when we had too many Koreans in foreign tournaments. Suck it up and watch the best then.  | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 22 2018 05:26 xRS Forsaken wrote: Neeb 2-0’d him. I’d say it was earned. Taeja almost qualified while still being in the military. Parting (who beat byul as well to qualify), mma, among other lesser tier Koreans who made it showed Byul must not have been practicing too much knowing his end was nearing. This was just the nail in the coffin. No one's denying that Neeb is good enough to play in GSL. However the point is that Neeb has other events he can compete in as well. He's fine whether he qualifies or not. The same couldn't be said for ByuL. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On June 22 2018 05:40 sc-darkness wrote: What were people saying in the past? "We want the very best" when we had too many Koreans in foreign tournaments. Suck it up and watch the best then. It's not like NOW CAN THE VERY BEST PLAY OUTSIDE OF KOREA!!!! Fair rules to everyone, not discriminating Koreans would be nice since their scene is dying ATM. | ||
Waxangel
United States33558 Posts
On June 22 2018 05:26 xRS Forsaken wrote: Neeb 2-0’d him. I’d say it was earned. Taeja almost qualified while still being in the military. Parting (who beat byul as well to qualify), mma, among other lesser tier Koreans who made it showed Byul must not have been practicing too much knowing his end was nearing. This was just the nail in the coffin. Hmm? He pretty directly took his spot, though I can see why "stolen" carries some connotations you'd disagree with. However, if someone said region lock contributed to ByuL retiring, I wouldn't say it's unfair to claim that. Let's be clear: the current region lock system is EXPLICITLY UNFAIR to Koreans, with the goal of achieving various payoffs (more motivation for foreign pros, more interest in foreign scene, more long-term interest in StarCraft II esports). We don't argue the fairness of region-lock (it's textbook unfair); we argue whether or not the gain is worth it. Anyway, sad to see ByuL depart. I'll always appreciate him for keeping the most entertaining style of Zerg (muta-ling-bane) alive at the top-tier. | ||
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seopthi
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NaYa1
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Community now: Blizz hello? Koreans? Region Lock.. oh.. | ||
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Oozono Momoko
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On June 22 2018 05:50 deacon.frost wrote: It's not like NOW CAN THE VERY BEST PLAY OUTSIDE OF KOREA!!!! Fair rules to everyone, not discriminating Koreans would be nice since their scene is dying ATM. Their scene is dying because Koreans don't watch SC2, it has nothing to do with region lock. I actually care about saving the careers of top Korean pros which is why I think Blizzard should stop wasting money on the GSL which gets a fraction of the viewership of WCS Circuit events, and replace it with WCS Challenger Korea which will allow Koreans to qualify for WCS Circuit events in the same manner as international players and of course play in the open brackets. They could use the money from GSL Code S, Super Tournament, and GSL vs The World to add more WCS Circuit Events. The only reason Blizzard supports the GSL is because of it's symbolic status as a premier SC2 tournament, not because it financially makes sense to do so or because it somehow benefits the scene. If blizzard really cared about creating a healthy long term SC2 scene rather than just symbolic victories, they would have used war chest money (which was in the millions of dollars) to create more tournaments and to increase WCS Challenger prize pools rather than wasting it on absurdly top heavy prize pools that resulted in the top few players earning hundreds of thousands of dollars while the rest earned a tiny fraction of that. It's clear to any objective observer that Blizzard is just hoping to end the SC2 competitive scene with a bang rather than doing what is necessary for long term viability which would require a much more even distribution of prize money that would allow rising talent to realistically earn a living while acquiring the tournament experience necessary to grow into a future top finisher. Since someone is going to nitpick some individual thing that I said that was inaccurate I'm going to sum up the gist of what I'm saying which is what is important, not the individual ideas, which obviously need more work. A viable long term SC2 competitive scene is one where a large number of pros, not just the very top ones, can earn a real living playing SC2. In 2017 the top earning player made $374,127 while the 32nd player earned $19,505. That is not what a viable long term competitive scene looks like. That is wasting money on already successful players rather than using it to grow the scene. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
So sad he never got his big win, but honestly in the last few years it seems his heart wasn't into it to much. | ||
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Boggyb
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On June 22 2018 06:34 Oozono Momoko wrote: I actually care about saving the careers of top Korean pros which is why I think Blizzard should stop wasting money on the GSL which gets a fraction of the viewership of WCS Circuit events The GSL days that are not completely terrible for NA/SA viewers have comparable viewership to WCS Circuit events. I can't speak to the other days since I only ever catch the tail end of those when I wake up at 5-5:30 a.m. On June 22 2018 06:34 Oozono Momoko wrote: If blizzard really cared about creating a healthy long term SC2 scene rather than just symbolic victories, they would have used war chest money (which was in the millions of dollars) to create more tournaments and to increase WCS Challenger prize pools rather than wasting it on absurdly top heavy prize pools that resulted in the top few players earning hundreds of thousands of dollars while the rest earned a tiny fraction of that. It's clear to any objective observer that Blizzard is just hoping to end the SC2 competitive scene with a bang rather than doing what is necessary for long term viability which would require a much more even distribution of prize money that would allow rising talent to realistically earn a living while acquiring the tournament experience necessary to grow into a future top finisher. The distribution of prize money is problematic for sustaining a healthy scene and ballooning the prize pools of the WCS Global Finals (the best of the best players) and Katowice definitely didn't help. | ||
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Psychobabas
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aringadingding
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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
Good luck ByuL. Wish you all the best in life. | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
On June 22 2018 06:34 Oozono Momoko wrote: Their scene is dying because Koreans don't watch SC2, it has nothing to do with region lock. I actually care about saving the careers of top Korean pros which is why I think Blizzard should stop wasting money on the GSL which gets a fraction of the viewership of WCS Circuit events, and replace it with WCS Challenger Korea which will allow Koreans to qualify for WCS Circuit events in the same manner as international players and of course play in the open brackets. They could use the money from GSL Code S, Super Tournament, and GSL vs The World to add more WCS Circuit Events. The only reason Blizzard supports the GSL is because of it's symbolic status as a premier SC2 tournament, not because it financially makes sense to do so or because it somehow benefits the scene. If blizzard really cared about creating a healthy long term SC2 scene rather than just symbolic victories, they would have used war chest money (which was in the millions of dollars) to create more tournaments and to increase WCS Challenger prize pools rather than wasting it on absurdly top heavy prize pools that resulted in the top few players earning hundreds of thousands of dollars while the rest earned a tiny fraction of that. It's clear to any objective observer that Blizzard is just hoping to end the SC2 competitive scene with a bang rather than doing what is necessary for long term viability which would require a much more even distribution of prize money that would allow rising talent to realistically earn a living while acquiring the tournament experience necessary to grow into a future top finisher. Since someone is going to nitpick some individual thing that I said that was inaccurate I'm going to sum up the gist of what I'm saying which is what is important, not the individual ideas, which obviously need more work. A viable long term SC2 competitive scene is one where a large number of pros, not just the very top ones, can earn a real living playing SC2. In 2017 the top earning player made $374,127 while the 32nd player earned $19,505. That is not what a viable long term competitive scene looks like. That is wasting money on already successful players rather than using it to grow the scene. its not normal for a game develper to be the only sponsor for all the tournaments its how big of a fail its become a healthy game has sponsors not the game developer sponsoring everything | ||
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Circumstance
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Wolf
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Lexender
Mexico2656 Posts
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
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Boggyb
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On June 22 2018 10:25 Lexender wrote: People blaming foreigners in GSL, you don't really think players can live off GSL alone do you? With how top heavy Code S is theres very few players that make enough to live off premier earnings, most have other ways of surviving. Look at Keen Who plays in literaly every online cup theres is, organizado SuperNova who despite not qualifying lives off streaming. Can they live solely off a ro32 earnings? Probably not. Does $2814 really help that? Absolutely. How many small time online tournament wins is that? 30? 50? They'd have to pull in that much on top of what they'd be earning otherwise. As for the financial situations of other players, unless you know all of the details of their life, it is hard to say that another player can just do the same. If Player X's family is helping support them while they try to make their dream reality but Player Y's family is not, then Player Y doesn't have the same range of options as Player X. | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 22 2018 10:36 Arghmyliver wrote: As Wolf said (Happy Birthday btw?) - Hopefully this tweet is as knee-jerk as the posts in here about "foreigners stealing jobs" (c'mon guys really? I live in the US, we've got enough people spouting that horseshit already). If not, much respect to a great player and a storied career. GGs ByuL! Well in this case it's an actual fact. Neeb got into GSL by knocking out ByuL. ByuL has said he's retiring in response. Whether Neeb being in GSL is a good or bad thing is of course up for debate. But as far as the "foreigners stealing spots/prize money" claims go, this is a blatant example. | ||
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Boggyb
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dummy1
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blardoh
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Sounds like you're buttmad he lost to non koreans. User was warned for this post | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On June 22 2018 10:43 Fango wrote: Well in this case it's an actual fact. Neeb got into GSL by knocking out ByuL. ByuL has said he's retiring in response. Whether Neeb being in GSL is a good or bad thing is of course up for debate. But as far as the "foreigners stealing spots/prize money" claims go, this is a blatant example. I mean yes...and no. Did Neeb take a spot that Byul would have liked? For sure. But was Byul's overall form and mindset one that would have continued much longer? I think probably not. He lost to PartinG....whose PvZ has been said to be pretty bad. Byul has been underperforming lately, and whether or not he got into Code S probably would have only delayed the inevitable. | ||
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lechatnoir
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Good Luck,Byul. It has been fun watching you play. | ||
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10691 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16041 Posts
On June 22 2018 05:26 xRS Forsaken wrote: Neeb 2-0’d him. I’d say it was earned. Taeja almost qualified while still being in the military. Parting (who beat byul as well to qualify), mma, among other lesser tier Koreans who made it showed Byul must not have been practicing too much knowing his end was nearing. This was just the nail in the coffin. When a foreigner knocks out a korean out of GSL it's earned. When a korean did knock out a foreigner out of a foreign tournament it was "filthy faceless korean robbing foreigners of their deserved prize money, Blizzard pls!" | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16041 Posts
On June 22 2018 10:36 Arghmyliver wrote: "foreigners stealing jobs" (c'mon guys really? I live in the US, we've got enough people spouting that horseshit already). In that analogy, imagine if "foreigners" were getting jobs in the US while people born in the US aren't allowed to work in any other country. That is what's happening here. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
On June 22 2018 15:52 Charoisaur wrote: When a foreigner knocks out a korean out of GSL it's earned. When a korean did knock out a foreigner out of a foreign tournament it was "filthy faceless korean robbing foreigners of their deserved prize money, Blizzard pls!" Don't act like it was a handful of Koreans doing well in foreign tournaments. 75% of all of the money-paying positions were taken by Koreans, leaving foreigners only the scraps in the Ro8. Being a progamer was a non-option for every foreigner outside of those at the very top. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On June 22 2018 16:06 Charoisaur wrote: Except, in that analogy, the Americans dominated almost any field they went in such that nearly anyone else was inferior. In that analogy, imagine if "foreigners" were getting jobs in the US while people born in the US aren't allowed to work in any other country. That is what's happening here. Also, prior to this, Americans worked in other countries and obtained most of their money such that people couldn't afford to pay anyone else money. The foreigners who were able to gain jobs in America deserve them. Of course, there's more nuance in the SC2 situation, but if we're simplifying things, these need to be added. But on topic, I also agree that it's sad that Byul has lost motivation. I remember him being very emotional over losses, so I know he feels very deeply about winning and losing. | ||
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DBooN
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nostrasbeefs
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Zerg.Zilla
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agripsss
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Kurao
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ByuL fighting! | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 22 2018 16:11 Solar424 wrote: Don't act like it was a handful of Koreans doing well in foreign tournaments. 75% of all of the money-paying positions were taken by Koreans, leaving foreigners only the scraps in the Ro8. Being a progamer was a non-option for every foreigner outside of those at the very top. Your point being what exactly? Foreigners can have their own welfare tournaments if they want, the issue is clearly with them having those as well as taking spots in Korean tournaments. | ||
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Ej_
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On June 22 2018 23:29 Fango wrote: Your point being what exactly? Foreigners can have their own welfare tournaments if they want, the issue is clearly with them having those as well as taking spots in Korean tournaments. His point is it was a clear exaggeration of the representation of non Koreans players in GSL to make it comparable to the trainwreck of a regional tournament that WCS AM was. Nothing more, nothing less. | ||
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GreatCraft
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BYUL GO TO FORTNITE. A mainstream esport. Not one of the "wannabe esport," Blizzard "esport," "weird esport," or financially retarded esports. Have just as or more fun, have a larger fanbase, and make money that will last you for decades if not your entire life. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4526 Posts
On June 23 2018 09:46 GreatCraft wrote: eh, ByuL should try to become a pro Fortnite player. He has the intelligence, work ethics, etc to make it. Hell , even if he doesn't become one of the best, he should make more many than he did in SCII in a shorter amount of time. BYUL GO TO FORTNITE. A mainstream esport. Not one of the "wannabe esport," Blizzard "esport," "weird esport," or financially retarded esports. Have just as or more fun, have a larger fanbase, and make money that will last you for decades if not your entire life. 20 posts in and is already shitposting well. you'll fit right in  sad to see byul go. from the highest highs to the lowest lows god damn it must be hard on the soul. | ||
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Oalfredo77
35 Posts
Fuck him. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On June 23 2018 12:15 showstealer1829 wrote: But now how will we know who is best chin? Always been Stats. I'm sure Byul we'll stick around. | ||
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Crocolisk Dundee
870 Posts
Best of luck for your future endeavours, ByuL! | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4526 Posts
On June 23 2018 10:10 Oalfredo77 wrote: Is this the way you give these news to your fans? people following you for years, cheering for you, crying with you? Fuck him. You sound pretty entitled. No one owes you a thing. | ||
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aringadingding
479 Posts
On June 23 2018 17:09 FataLe wrote: You sound pretty entitled. No one owes you a thing. He didnt say ByuL owed him anything. He didnt like the way ByuL announced his "retirement". Most who actually does retire usual give some kind of gratitude towards the people who has cheered him on and fellow players and teams. So, who are you to deny a fan his freedom to express himself? | ||
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
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rotta
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This always chokes me up: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPVyAdPUsAAQV9T.jpg) | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On June 24 2018 06:50 aringadingding wrote: He didnt say ByuL owed him anything. He didnt like the way ByuL announced his "retirement". Most who actually does retire usual give some kind of gratitude towards the people who has cheered him on and fellow players and teams. So, who are you to deny a fan his freedom to express himself? Pointing out a post is stupid drivel is not denying anyone any freedom. Freedom of speech is not freedom from the consequence of being called an idiot. | ||
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PuddleZerg
United States82 Posts
On June 22 2018 02:31 ThunderJunk wrote: Y'all have no information. Very quick to blame region lock. If anything, region lock revived some interest in SC2 for a while. The region lock was to save the foreign scene from KesPA domination. You know, when Koreans won EVERYTHING for over a year. | ||
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aringadingding
479 Posts
On June 24 2018 23:58 207aicila wrote: Pointing out a post is stupid drivel is not denying anyone any freedom. Freedom of speech is not freedom from the consequence of being called an idiot. You obviously missed my point. Ok, english is not my first language and "freedom to express" was maybe the wrong way to describe it. Not sure. BUT, his comment was not stupid drivel. For example, if Maru would write tomorrow "i quit" and not say anything else, he ofc havent done anything wrong. Its his life. But is it strange for fans of Maru to feel disappointed if he would quit like that and not say anything more? I dont think its strange at all. I think expressing disappointment to that would not be strange, or at least not "stupid drivel". But some people just love to be a smart ass... | ||
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