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Waxangel
United States33347 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On April 10 2018 09:48 Waxangel wrote: There's a rite of passage to becoming a Kong, where your Kong storyline is so compelling people just decide to forget the championship you DID win. Not even Life's match-fixing is as taboo as mentioning soO's KeSPA Cup win, and soon we will forget that Dark won an SSL so we can label him the second king Kong. It's important to note that Dark's SSL win came from beating Stats | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On April 10 2018 10:28 Cricketer12 wrote: It's important to note that Dark's SSL win came from beating Stats Just like soO's Kespa Cup win came from beating Dark. The long and illustrious line stretching back to YellOw continues with its latest generation. | ||
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yangluphil
318 Posts
On April 10 2018 08:27 blooblooblahblah wrote: Yeah, Rain basically solved PvP in WoL by essentially figuring out the perfect composition (or at least the perfect balance between Colossi/Immortal numbers, and often his zealot count was exact as well which is crazy). I loved his WoL PvP, even in the early game, he was very, very smart. I don't remember much of Rain's PvP in HotS anymore, other than the time he got super outplayed by Zest when Zest was at his decision-making peak. But I don't recall it being particularly bad. Rain's PvZ and PvT wr are nearly identical at around 68.5% while his PvP is "only" 61%. So it's his worst matchup, not particularly bad but worse than his contemporaries like Zest, sOs, herO, PartinG's PvP winrate at the time. Obviously Rain uses good unit comp in all matchups. But PvP was more a volatile matchup than it is today. I'm not sure figuring out the perfect unit comp is even close to 'solving PvP'. Deceptions and micro were both more of a factor than unit comp in the matchup imo. In HotS, almost all the important playoff losses Rain had were PvPs. 2015 Blizzcon vs sOs, 2015 SSL S3 ro4 vs herO, 2015 DreamHack Open ro8 vs PartinG, 2014 IEM San Jose vs herO, 2014 GSL S3 ro8 vs Zest, 2014 GSL S1 ro4 vs Zest. Only exception during his peak (end of 2013 to 2015) was 2014 IEM Cologne ro4 loss vs Polt. | ||
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yangluphil
318 Posts
Historically PvT is Stats' worst MU. Recently it is by far his worst MU. PvZ is his best MU historically. So it's funny he loses his worst MU and wins his best MU in finals? | ||
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Nostromo1
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Nostromo1
36 Posts
On April 10 2018 05:53 Z3nith wrote: Just ignore the GSL last week vs Maru, the IEM Gyeonggi final vs Innovation and the IEM Katowice finals vs TY Umm....... you do realize he lost all those series right? So what is your argument here? I'm confused. | ||
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Z3nith
485 Posts
On April 10 2018 14:45 Nostromo1 wrote: Umm....... you do realize he lost all those series right? So what is your argument here? I'm confused. Well it says Stats has never and key word here PLAYED in a proper finals. This is simply incorrect and I was pointing that out. | ||
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MilkDud
Canada73 Posts
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XiZeL
Switzerland92 Posts
even tho im a Dark fan. the mentally strongest player got the trophy that day. congrats to Stats!! clearls proof hat consistency pays over outright performance! | ||
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leublix
493 Posts
On April 10 2018 13:01 yangluphil wrote: Historically PvT is Stats' worst MU. Recently it is by far his worst MU. PvZ is his best MU historically. So it's funny he loses his worst MU and wins his best MU in finals? Yep exactly. He's also only one of two Protoss who sport a >60% PvZ offline winrate in LotV, the other being Dear with a monstrous 71% PvZ offline winrate (easier opposition I imagine). | ||
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RealityTheGreat
China564 Posts
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ThunderJunk
United States677 Posts
When Innovation wins, it's all, "GOAT, oh my gawd!" But not with Stats.. even though he's a monstrously good player. What's wrong with the best player in the world being a Protoss? Seriously | ||
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RampancyTW
United States577 Posts
Game 5 he produces a lot of roaches to hold off aggression/counter-attack, but Stats doesn't let him get efficient trades when Dark goes to supply dump, forcing Dark to continue to produce units. He gets locked into roach tech for too long and just doesn't have the late-game army efficiency to deal with Stats' final comp. Game 6, he tries to go with a low-tech heavy aggression style (which WORKS), but at the cost of his economy. Even with his big "lead" in bases, he was even on workers, way behind on tech, and Stats' phenomenal warp prism/archon harrass kept Dark from ever comfortably teching up, allowing Stats to catch back up on eco and cement the tech lead. His activity on the map, while costing him a few careless immortals, allowed him to sniff out Dark's counter-attacks and continue to trade efficiently overall while progressing towards his late-game army. Game 7, more of the same here overall. Goes for an effective roach burrow attack that gets dealt with, but gets stuck on roach tech for too long while being forced to produce units to hold off Stats' position on the map. Stats slowly pushes forward with psi storms and immortals to keep the pressure up until he gets enough defense back home to regroup his last wave of immortals. He pushes, and BARELY manages to tilt the battle in his favor with great positioning and spell usage. Just a fantastic technical takedown from Stats in those last 3 games. Calm, steady play while he leveraged his advantages to build up to a killing blow. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On April 12 2018 09:13 ThunderJunk wrote: Whenever Stats wins, no the forums are super quiet. When Innovation wins, it's all, "GOAT, oh my gawd!" But not with Stats.. even though he's a monstrously good player. What's wrong with the best player in the world being a Protoss? Seriously Could it be that.......Stats just isn't as popular? When Neeb wins stuff it's all "Greatest foreigner oh my gawd!" Likewise for Scarlett. When Inno wins, his fans are happy. When Neeb wins, his fans are happy. When Stats wins his fans are happy. When Scarlett........ There's no law that says each of them must have an equal number of fans on the forums, and it sounds quite petty to suggest that people have a problem with Stats or Protoss. Oh no, my favorite player doesn't get as many cheers as Player X! The horror! What's wrong with the forums? Seriously You should be glad that Stats isn't a foreigner, else the forums being "super quiet" would be replaced by people rushing out of the woodwork to list all the extenuating factors and unfair advantages and rationalizations for him winning (which applies to every champion, people just seem to notice more with foreigners). Stats has it pretty good, really. | ||
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ThunderJunk
United States677 Posts
On April 13 2018 01:41 pvsnp wrote: Could it be that.......Stats just isn't as popular? When Neeb wins stuff it's all "Greatest foreigner oh my gawd!" Likewise for Scarlett. When Inno wins, his fans are happy. When Neeb wins, his fans are happy. When Stats wins his fans are happy. When Scarlett........ There's no law that says each of them must have an equal number of fans on the forums, and it sounds quite petty to suggest that people have a problem with Stats or Protoss. Oh no, my favorite player doesn't get as many cheers as Player X! The horror! What's wrong with the forums? Seriously You should be glad that Stats isn't a foreigner, else the forums being "super quiet" would be replaced by people rushing out of the woodwork to list all the extenuating factors and unfair advantages and rationalizations for him winning (which applies to every champion, people just seem to notice more with foreigners). Stats has it pretty good, really. Fair enough. Although, to be fair, Neeb winning was a bit different. Quoting results isn't my forte, but didn't he win almost every WESG? And that was the only Protoss you mentioned. | ||
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DSh1
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ThunderJunk
United States677 Posts
On April 14 2018 04:34 DSh1 wrote: That was WCS last year 3 of 4. WESG is the one with the huge prize pool in China. Thanks : ) | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On April 13 2018 01:34 RampancyTW wrote: People thinking that Dark threw aren't really watching the games very critically imo. Game 5 he produces a lot of roaches to hold off aggression/counter-attack, but Stats doesn't let him get efficient trades when Dark goes to supply dump, forcing Dark to continue to produce units. He gets locked into roach tech for too long and just doesn't have the late-game army efficiency to deal with Stats' final comp. Game 6, he tries to go with a low-tech heavy aggression style (which WORKS), but at the cost of his economy. Even with his big "lead" in bases, he was even on workers, way behind on tech, and Stats' phenomenal warp prism/archon harrass kept Dark from ever comfortably teching up, allowing Stats to catch back up on eco and cement the tech lead. His activity on the map, while costing him a few careless immortals, allowed him to sniff out Dark's counter-attacks and continue to trade efficiently overall while progressing towards his late-game army. Game 7, more of the same here overall. Goes for an effective roach burrow attack that gets dealt with, but gets stuck on roach tech for too long while being forced to produce units to hold off Stats' position on the map. Stats slowly pushes forward with psi storms and immortals to keep the pressure up until he gets enough defense back home to regroup his last wave of immortals. He pushes, and BARELY manages to tilt the battle in his favor with great positioning and spell usage. Just a fantastic technical takedown from Stats in those last 3 games. Calm, steady play while he leveraged his advantages to build up to a killing blow. This is a very accurate depiction of what went down. I think most people are uncomfortable with the current PvZ meta and not hating on Stats for winning. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 13 2018 01:41 pvsnp wrote: Could it be that.......Stats just isn't as popular? When Neeb wins stuff it's all "Greatest foreigner oh my gawd!" Likewise for Scarlett. When Inno wins, his fans are happy. When Neeb wins, his fans are happy. When Stats wins his fans are happy. When Scarlett........ There's no law that says each of them must have an equal number of fans on the forums, and it sounds quite petty to suggest that people have a problem with Stats or Protoss. Oh no, my favorite player doesn't get as many cheers as Player X! The horror! What's wrong with the forums? Seriously You should be glad that Stats isn't a foreigner, else the forums being "super quiet" would be replaced by people rushing out of the woodwork to list all the extenuating factors and unfair advantages and rationalizations for him winning (which applies to every champion, people just seem to notice more with foreigners). Stats has it pretty good, really. Also there's the fact that there's nothing particulary noteworthy about when Stats wins. He's just a solid and consistant player all round. When a "lesser" player wins it's easy to say they just got lucky or some other factor played a role. When an obviously OP race wins it's easy to complain (toss being imba certainly doesn't apply to PvZ right now). Or when a cheesy player wins, or a player running for GOAT etc. Or as you said a popular player can win and become overhyped. There's not much to say about Stats winning here other than "already most consistant protoss shows he's even more consistant". | ||
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