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Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
April 09 2018 21:04 GMT
#21
On April 10 2018 05:53 Z3nith wrote:
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On April 10 2018 05:38 RaFox17 wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:03 pvsnp wrote:
Poor Dark, is he the true Kong now? I guess soO will be happy at least.

And if so, Stats has won all of his trophies against notorious Kongs.

Stats has never actually played in a proper finals


Just ignore the GSL last week vs Maru, the IEM Gyeonggi final vs Innovation and the IEM Katowice finals vs TY

All of which he lost. Funny.
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-09 22:18:16
April 09 2018 21:16 GMT
#22
On April 10 2018 06:04 Sakat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 05:53 Z3nith wrote:
On April 10 2018 05:38 RaFox17 wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:03 pvsnp wrote:
Poor Dark, is he the true Kong now? I guess soO will be happy at least.

And if so, Stats has won all of his trophies against notorious Kongs.

Stats has never actually played in a proper finals


Just ignore the GSL last week vs Maru, the IEM Gyeonggi final vs Innovation and the IEM Katowice finals vs TY

All of which he lost. Funny.


Stats the half-Kong, who defeats the Kongs but loses to all the non-Kongs in the finals.
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Rob-Zero
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany457 Posts
April 09 2018 21:22 GMT
#23
On April 10 2018 06:16 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 06:04 Sakat wrote:
On April 10 2018 05:53 Z3nith wrote:
On April 10 2018 05:38 RaFox17 wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:03 pvsnp wrote:
Poor Dark, is he the true Kong now? I guess soO will be happy at least.

And if so, Stats has won all of his trophies against notorious Kongs.

Stats has never actually played in a proper finals


Just ignore the GSL last week vs Maru, the IEM Gyeonggi final vs Innovation and the IEM Katowice finals vs TY

All of which he lost. Funny.


Stats the half-Kong, who defeats all the Kongs but loses to all the non-Kongs in the finals.


So he´s the King of Kongs ?
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-09 21:43:27
April 09 2018 21:37 GMT
#24
On April 10 2018 06:22 Rob-Zero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 06:16 pvsnp wrote:
On April 10 2018 06:04 Sakat wrote:
On April 10 2018 05:53 Z3nith wrote:
On April 10 2018 05:38 RaFox17 wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:03 pvsnp wrote:
Poor Dark, is he the true Kong now? I guess soO will be happy at least.

And if so, Stats has won all of his trophies against notorious Kongs.

Stats has never actually played in a proper finals


Just ignore the GSL last week vs Maru, the IEM Gyeonggi final vs Innovation and the IEM Katowice finals vs TY

All of which he lost. Funny.


Stats the half-Kong, who defeats all the Kongs but loses to all the non-Kongs in the finals.


So he´s the King of Kongs ?


Wouldn't the King of Kongs be the guy that loses to all the other Kongs?
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 09 2018 21:39 GMT
#25
If you are a kong because you only win vs kongs we might get a situation where everyone is a kong at the end. I am fine with that
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
April 09 2018 21:45 GMT
#26
On April 10 2018 06:39 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If you are a kong because you only win vs kongs we might get a situation where everyone is a kong at the end. I am fine with that


Well, I called Stats a half-Kong to prevent exactly that. He defeats full Kongs but loses to non-Kongs, so those who defeat him aren't dragged into a chain of recursion.

One degree removed from Kong = half-Kong. Two degrees is out of Kong territory entirely.
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yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
687 Posts
April 09 2018 21:49 GMT
#27
On April 10 2018 02:13 Charoisaur wrote:
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On April 10 2018 02:04 yangluphil wrote:
On April 10 2018 01:20 brickrd wrote:
stats right now reminds me of Rain's peak in hots

They are similar in that they aren't aggressive protosses. But I think Rain's defense was a lot stronger, while Stats has better counter harass. Rain was really dominant in PVZ and PVT but sucked at PVP. Stats is more balanced across matchups but not as dominant in any of them. Not to mention stats is clutch as hell when playing offline elimination playoff games. It always seemed to me that Rain never loses late game. Stats loses quite a few of them but he mixes in more aggressive builds than Rain did.

Rain wasn't bad in PvP at all


Wasn't one of Rain's claims to fame "solving" PvP? I didn't understand PvP at the time but people kept talking about that.

Definitely think they're very different playstyles as discussed, was a huge Rain fan and do not at all get the same vibe from Stats. Stats and Zest seem to have more similar approaches to the game, while Rain's has not resurfaced since his retirement
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 09 2018 21:52 GMT
#28
On April 10 2018 06:45 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 06:39 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If you are a kong because you only win vs kongs we might get a situation where everyone is a kong at the end. I am fine with that


Well, I called Stats a half-Kong to prevent exactly that. He defeats full Kongs but loses to non-Kongs, so those who defeat him aren't dragged into a chain of recursion.

One degree removed from Kong = half-Kong. Two degrees is out of Kong territory entirely.

I mean true kongship is all about the starleagues anyway, kongs win special events like the super tournament or kespa cup.
Through these lens even innovation could be a half kong
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Toua
Profile Joined February 2017
Denmark318 Posts
April 09 2018 22:02 GMT
#29
soO is the nr 1. kong, so Dark most be the greatest kong, because he is the number 2 in the kong hierarchy
Stats, Dark, Maru <3
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-09 22:12:59
April 09 2018 22:07 GMT
#30
On April 10 2018 06:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 06:45 pvsnp wrote:
On April 10 2018 06:39 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If you are a kong because you only win vs kongs we might get a situation where everyone is a kong at the end. I am fine with that


Well, I called Stats a half-Kong to prevent exactly that. He defeats full Kongs but loses to non-Kongs, so those who defeat him aren't dragged into a chain of recursion.

One degree removed from Kong = half-Kong. Two degrees is out of Kong territory entirely.

I mean true kongship is all about the starleagues anyway, kongs win special events like the super tournament or kespa cup.
Through these lens even innovation could be a half kong

Then is Dark a true Kong? He's lost two starleagues and won one. Winning SSL removes him from the list, no?

And Inno definitely isnt a half-Kong under either definition of Kong, seeing as he defeated Solar and sOs (both non-Kongs) in starleagues. He also hasn't lost to anyone in the finals for years. The whole point of half-Kong is losing to non-Kongs while defeating only Kongs, and Inno doesn't fit either category.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 09 2018 22:13 GMT
#31
I guess he wouldn't be one.
sOs could be one, losing two gsl finals and only winning "special events"

Though the kongness in sc2 shouldn't stop at starleagues, our "special events" are a huge part of the tournament scene while that wasn't really the case in bw (where the initial definition comes from)
Thankfully, this way we can still call dark a kong
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
April 09 2018 22:16 GMT
#32
On April 10 2018 07:02 Toua wrote:
soO is the nr 1. kong, so Dark most be the greatest kong, because he is the number 2 in the kong hierarchy

don't forget about Byul, three 2nd places in a year
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
April 09 2018 22:18 GMT
#33
On April 10 2018 07:16 starkiller123 wrote:
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On April 10 2018 07:02 Toua wrote:
soO is the nr 1. kong, so Dark most be the greatest kong, because he is the number 2 in the kong hierarchy

don't forget about Byul, three 2nd places in a year

lol three

remember when JD got 5?
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Majick
Profile Joined August 2016
416 Posts
April 09 2018 22:20 GMT
#34
On April 10 2018 06:22 Rob-Zero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 06:16 pvsnp wrote:
On April 10 2018 06:04 Sakat wrote:
On April 10 2018 05:53 Z3nith wrote:
On April 10 2018 05:38 RaFox17 wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:03 pvsnp wrote:
Poor Dark, is he the true Kong now? I guess soO will be happy at least.

And if so, Stats has won all of his trophies against notorious Kongs.

Stats has never actually played in a proper finals


Just ignore the GSL last week vs Maru, the IEM Gyeonggi final vs Innovation and the IEM Katowice finals vs TY

All of which he lost. Funny.


Stats the half-Kong, who defeats all the Kongs but loses to all the non-Kongs in the finals.


So he´s the King of Kongs ?

more like a Kong hunter
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
April 09 2018 22:20 GMT
#35
On April 10 2018 07:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I guess he wouldn't be one.
sOs could be one, losing two gsl finals and only winning "special events"

Though the kongness in sc2 shouldn't stop at starleagues, our "special events" are a huge part of the tournament scene while that wasn't really the case in bw (where the initial definition comes from)
Thankfully, this way we can still call dark a kong


The definition of Kong has degenerated since BW, now it's just a term we use to describe a guy who gets a lot of silvers.

Just like bonjwa.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
April 09 2018 22:21 GMT
#36
On April 10 2018 07:20 Majick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 06:22 Rob-Zero wrote:
On April 10 2018 06:16 pvsnp wrote:
On April 10 2018 06:04 Sakat wrote:
On April 10 2018 05:53 Z3nith wrote:
On April 10 2018 05:38 RaFox17 wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:03 pvsnp wrote:
Poor Dark, is he the true Kong now? I guess soO will be happy at least.

And if so, Stats has won all of his trophies against notorious Kongs.

Stats has never actually played in a proper finals


Just ignore the GSL last week vs Maru, the IEM Gyeonggi final vs Innovation and the IEM Katowice finals vs TY

All of which he lost. Funny.


Stats the half-Kong, who defeats all the Kongs but loses to all the non-Kongs in the finals.


So he´s the King of Kongs ?

more like a Kong hunter


Stats the Kong hunter.

I like that one, it sounds better than half-Kong.
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Darth Caedus
Profile Joined May 2011
United States326 Posts
April 09 2018 22:52 GMT
#37
sOO is Genghis Kong, Stats is Kubla Kong. Both strong in their own right.
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blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
April 09 2018 23:27 GMT
#38
On April 10 2018 06:49 yubo56 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 02:13 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 10 2018 02:04 yangluphil wrote:
On April 10 2018 01:20 brickrd wrote:
stats right now reminds me of Rain's peak in hots

They are similar in that they aren't aggressive protosses. But I think Rain's defense was a lot stronger, while Stats has better counter harass. Rain was really dominant in PVZ and PVT but sucked at PVP. Stats is more balanced across matchups but not as dominant in any of them. Not to mention stats is clutch as hell when playing offline elimination playoff games. It always seemed to me that Rain never loses late game. Stats loses quite a few of them but he mixes in more aggressive builds than Rain did.

Rain wasn't bad in PvP at all


Wasn't one of Rain's claims to fame "solving" PvP? I didn't understand PvP at the time but people kept talking about that.

Definitely think they're very different playstyles as discussed, was a huge Rain fan and do not at all get the same vibe from Stats. Stats and Zest seem to have more similar approaches to the game, while Rain's has not resurfaced since his retirement


Yeah, Rain basically solved PvP in WoL by essentially figuring out the perfect composition (or at least the perfect balance between Colossi/Immortal numbers, and often his zealot count was exact as well which is crazy). I loved his WoL PvP, even in the early game, he was very, very smart.

I don't remember much of Rain's PvP in HotS anymore, other than the time he got super outplayed by Zest when Zest was at his decision-making peak. But I don't recall it being particularly bad.
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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
April 10 2018 00:05 GMT
#39
no soo in finals no care about super tournament
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 10 2018 00:15 GMT
#40
The problem is that there's so many kongs they end up facing eachother in finals.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
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