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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
On April 10 2018 05:53 Z3nith wrote: Just ignore the GSL last week vs Maru, the IEM Gyeonggi final vs Innovation and the IEM Katowice finals vs TY All of which he lost. Funny. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Stats the half-Kong, who defeats the Kongs but loses to all the non-Kongs in the finals. | ||
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Rob-Zero
Germany460 Posts
On April 10 2018 06:16 pvsnp wrote: Stats the half-Kong, who defeats all the Kongs but loses to all the non-Kongs in the finals. So he´s the King of Kongs ? | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Wouldn't the King of Kongs be the guy that loses to all the other Kongs? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On April 10 2018 06:39 The_Red_Viper wrote: If you are a kong because you only win vs kongs we might get a situation where everyone is a kong at the end. I am fine with that Well, I called Stats a half-Kong to prevent exactly that. He defeats full Kongs but loses to non-Kongs, so those who defeat him aren't dragged into a chain of recursion. One degree removed from Kong = half-Kong. Two degrees is out of Kong territory entirely. | ||
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yubo56
690 Posts
Wasn't one of Rain's claims to fame "solving" PvP? I didn't understand PvP at the time but people kept talking about that. Definitely think they're very different playstyles as discussed, was a huge Rain fan and do not at all get the same vibe from Stats. Stats and Zest seem to have more similar approaches to the game, while Rain's has not resurfaced since his retirement | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 10 2018 06:45 pvsnp wrote: Well, I called Stats a half-Kong to prevent exactly that. He defeats full Kongs but loses to non-Kongs, so those who defeat him aren't dragged into a chain of recursion. One degree removed from Kong = half-Kong. Two degrees is out of Kong territory entirely. I mean true kongship is all about the starleagues anyway, kongs win special events like the super tournament or kespa cup. Through these lens even innovation could be a half kong | ||
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Toua
Denmark318 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On April 10 2018 06:52 The_Red_Viper wrote: I mean true kongship is all about the starleagues anyway, kongs win special events like the super tournament or kespa cup. Through these lens even innovation could be a half kong Then is Dark a true Kong? He's lost two starleagues and won one. Winning SSL removes him from the list, no? And Inno definitely isnt a half-Kong under either definition of Kong, seeing as he defeated Solar and sOs (both non-Kongs) in starleagues. He also hasn't lost to anyone in the finals for years. The whole point of half-Kong is losing to non-Kongs while defeating only Kongs, and Inno doesn't fit either category. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
sOs could be one, losing two gsl finals and only winning "special events" Though the kongness in sc2 shouldn't stop at starleagues, our "special events" are a huge part of the tournament scene while that wasn't really the case in bw (where the initial definition comes from) Thankfully, this way we can still call dark a kong  | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On April 10 2018 07:02 Toua wrote: soO is the nr 1. kong, so Dark most be the greatest kong, because he is the number 2 in the kong hierarchy don't forget about Byul, three 2nd places in a year | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14000 Posts
On April 10 2018 07:16 starkiller123 wrote: don't forget about Byul, three 2nd places in a year lol three remember when JD got 5? | ||
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Majick
416 Posts
more like a Kong hunter | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On April 10 2018 07:13 The_Red_Viper wrote: I guess he wouldn't be one. sOs could be one, losing two gsl finals and only winning "special events" Though the kongness in sc2 shouldn't stop at starleagues, our "special events" are a huge part of the tournament scene while that wasn't really the case in bw (where the initial definition comes from) Thankfully, this way we can still call dark a kong The definition of Kong has degenerated since BW, now it's just a term we use to describe a guy who gets a lot of silvers. Just like bonjwa. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Stats the Kong hunter. I like that one, it sounds better than half-Kong. | ||
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Darth Caedus
United States326 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On April 10 2018 06:49 yubo56 wrote: Wasn't one of Rain's claims to fame "solving" PvP? I didn't understand PvP at the time but people kept talking about that. Definitely think they're very different playstyles as discussed, was a huge Rain fan and do not at all get the same vibe from Stats. Stats and Zest seem to have more similar approaches to the game, while Rain's has not resurfaced since his retirement Yeah, Rain basically solved PvP in WoL by essentially figuring out the perfect composition (or at least the perfect balance between Colossi/Immortal numbers, and often his zealot count was exact as well which is crazy). I loved his WoL PvP, even in the early game, he was very, very smart. I don't remember much of Rain's PvP in HotS anymore, other than the time he got super outplayed by Zest when Zest was at his decision-making peak. But I don't recall it being particularly bad. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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