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Stork said he felt enraged as he saw people stop attending live matches during SC2 era with matchfixing. When he saw attendance fall, he couldnt help but to think about matchfixers who had ruined all these that his predecessors and the peers paved way for.
Love this causation != correlation logic. "The populaity of the game declined because of matchfixing. It had nothing to do with the game it self and how many people played it."
let's just blame everything bad that has ever happened in the world on hitler... I mean sorry matchfixers.
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On March 16 2018 02:38 seopthi wrote:
Why has not this been said before the recent match-fixing scandal?
Among the problems is that there is no prevention - of course, that is hard to do with the scene being small, but long time ago all the players had to go through sportsmanship trainings where they would educate them about these dangers. I only know about them in SC2 and the ended in about 2012.
Of course, there are no resources for such trainings, but the point is that pretending that the past scandals have not happened has surely not helped. I find it absurd that there is so little info about what happened with BBoongBBoong, Gerrard, and Life. Perhaps had it been more discussed, had people like Stork said what he just said earlier and these practices were well known, players would've been more careful.
I very much think it's a mistake that it's a big no-no talking about the past cases and even here any threads are closed, or in the best heavily discouraged - and I do not mean empty repetitive threads, I mean that when for example there is a rare new information (such as Artosis talking about Life shortly on his stream) it gets deleted here and downvoted on reddit. Doping/cheating cases in traditional sports are heavily documented and discussed in media, while SC media does the opposite.
Of course, Sky is a scum, but now he'll just go do something else knowing that few months from now, no-one will (be allowed to) mention his name. But sweeping these things under the carpet won't help. Stork should have been talking about this (even in a greater detail) before, but still, it wouldn't be discussed here or on reddit, because "we've to move on and not bring more attention to matchfixing," as has happened few times before.
this so much. i would love to know what life has been up to, what he is doing now and maybe learn his side of things. has he even tried to redeem himself? has he had talks with blizzard? like you said, just ignoring everything and making him and the others persona non gratas does more harm than good i feel. life should instead become an embassador for blizzard, admit and apologise for his wrongdoings and promote fair play and educate others about the dangers of matchfixing and how other players can avoid being sucked into this bs. everyone deserves a second chance ffs.
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On March 16 2018 02:38 seopthi wrote:
Why has not this been said before the recent match-fixing scandal?
Among the problems is that there is no prevention - of course, that is hard to do with the scene being small, but long time ago all the players had to go through sportsmanship trainings where they would educate them about these dangers. I only know about them in SC2 and the ended in about 2012.
Of course, there are no resources for such trainings, but the point is that pretending that the past scandals have not happened has surely not helped. I find it absurd that there is so little info about what happened with BBoongBBoong, Gerrard, and Life. Perhaps had it been more discussed, had people like Stork said what he just said earlier and these practices were well known, players would've been more careful.
I very much think it's a mistake that it's a big no-no talking about the past cases and even here any threads are closed, or in the best heavily discouraged - and I do not mean empty repetitive threads, I mean that when for example there is a rare new information (such as Artosis talking about Life shortly on his stream) it gets deleted here and downvoted on reddit. Doping/cheating cases in traditional sports are heavily documented and discussed in media, while SC media does the opposite.
Of course, Sky is a scum, but now he'll just go do something else knowing that few months from now, no-one will (be allowed to) mention his name. But sweeping these things under the carpet won't help. Stork should have been talking about this (even in a greater detail) before, but still, it wouldn't be discussed here or on reddit, because "we've to move on and not bring more attention to matchfixing," as has happened few times before.
The reasons are differents but doping in eu football and I guess us too or the american doping in olympics are not talked about either, only cyclists are the scarpegoat. (+ the russians and chineses because of politics)
I think starcraft communities are heavely influenced by the korean context in which those stuffs are considered as shameful and should be buried, I am clearly uneasy with it but after 2 years, I finally made my mourning of Life's disappearance so be it.
Anyway thanks for the insight.
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On March 15 2018 23:02 Charoisaur wrote:
Wait they forced players to matchfix by threatening of exposing them?
Then maybe the caught matchfixers are the ones that refused to continue matchfixing and thus got exposed.
So maybe the real scum wasn't caught and continued matchfixing while we punished the people that stood up against it...
An interesting thing to wonder is what the consequences are to players who decide to try and mention the names of the people who coerced them into participating in the first place. In the American prison system, for example, entry-level criminals who are apart of gangs or other organizations are afraid of the repercussions to their families or themselves once they're behind bars (you have fellow gang members who know you snitched or your family could be "taken care of" while there's little to nothing you can do about it).
This is one of those double-edged swords though. It's a shame that they were willing to participate once in the first place, but now you have a spiral of never being able to do your favorite sport, passion, etc. because of this looming issue over your head if you fail to comply. If Stork had all of this information, he should have brought it to light earlier.
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the big shots who matchfixed (first teamers+) who risked their career that was already going well most likely had huge incentive to matchfix- like using the knowledge of matchfixing to make even more money into easily 100k+ per match with betting/spreading word around.
The big names either got alluded by this enough to risk their status or got trapped after threats. But either way, there's much more money involved than official figures
Also, all this info was known in the 2 matchfixing incident and training. It wasnt public I believe, but just shared within pro community
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On April 25 2018 22:08 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +Stork said he felt enraged as he saw people stop attending live matches during SC2 era with matchfixing. When he saw attendance fall, he couldnt help but to think about matchfixers who had ruined all these that his predecessors and the peers paved way for. Love this causation != correlation logic. "The populaity of the game declined because of matchfixing. It had nothing to do with the game it self and how many people played it." let's just blame everything bad that has ever happened in the world on hitler... I mean sorry matchfixers.
Nobody said it was only a result of matchfixers. What are you talking about?
Stork saw declining numbers, thought matchfixing was a controllable part of the contribution to those numbers, and was rightfully pissed that it was happening. Nowhere does he or the article suggest or state outright that other factors were not also contributing to declining numbers.
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On March 16 2018 15:13 jinjin5000 wrote:
It doesnt seem too far fetched these matchfixers would walk away with tons of money tho
so you have
1) money u got for match fixing
2) betting tons of money across betting sites
3) telling ur friends about it, taking ur cut from there
Wonder how much these guys really made, not the official figure.
Theres no way life, savior, sky, ect only walked away with "just" thousands of dollars from this.
Life and savior in particular. They were very successful players already making thousands.
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On April 26 2018 01:38 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2018 22:08 Hider wrote:Stork said he felt enraged as he saw people stop attending live matches during SC2 era with matchfixing. When he saw attendance fall, he couldnt help but to think about matchfixers who had ruined all these that his predecessors and the peers paved way for. Love this causation != correlation logic. "The populaity of the game declined because of matchfixing. It had nothing to do with the game it self and how many people played it." let's just blame everything bad that has ever happened in the world on hitler... I mean sorry matchfixers. Nobody said it was only a result of matchfixers. What are you talking about? Stork saw declining numbers, thought matchfixing was a controllable part of the contribution to those numbers, and was rightfully pissed that it was happening. Nowhere does he or the article suggest or state outright that other factors were not also contributing to declining numbers.
agreed, no reason for hider to assume stork meant any of that. a bit ironic that he was trying to call stork out for a presumed logical fallacy while straw-manning him at the same time
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