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Here are the results for the Power Ranking!
I will compare this PR to TL's official one which you can find here
Directly to the list
Honorable mentions:  Serral (50 pts), Scarlett (52)
#10:  Zest ⇔ SAMEpoints: 56 ![[image loading]](http://liquipedia.net/commons/images/thumb/4/48/Zest_iem_toronto14.jpg/600px-Zest_iem_toronto14.jpg) #9:  GuMiho ⇔ NEWpoints: 61 ![[image loading]](http://liquipedia.net/commons/images/e/e5/Gumiho_IEM_katowice2017.png) #8: Stats ⇔ SAMEpoints: 107 ![[image loading]](http://liquipedia.net/commons/images/thumb/f/f2/Stats_2017GSLS1CodeS.jpg/600px-Stats_2017GSLS1CodeS.jpg) #7: Maru ⇔ NEWpoints: 151 ![[image loading]](http://liquipedia.net/commons/images/thumb/0/0a/Maru_IEM_WC_2015.jpg/600px-Maru_IEM_WC_2015.jpg) #6: TY ⇔ SAMEpoints: 163 ![[image loading]](http://liquipedia.net/commons/images/thumb/8/80/TY_IEM_Shenzhen_2015.jpg/600px-TY_IEM_Shenzhen_2015.jpg) #5: soO ⇔ SAMEpoints: 196 ![[image loading]](http://liquipedia.net/commons/images/thumb/2/25/SoOj_two.jpg/525px-SoOj_two.jpg) #4: sOs ⇘ 1points: 248 ![[image loading]](http://liquipedia.net/commons/images/thumb/4/46/Sos_iem_toronto14.jpg/600px-Sos_iem_toronto14.jpg) #3: INnoVation ⇗ 1points: 268 ![[image loading]](http://liquipedia.net/commons/images/thumb/b/bc/INnoVation_IEM_WC_2015.jpg/562px-INnoVation_IEM_WC_2015.jpg) #2: Dark ⇔ SAMEpoints: 327 ![[image loading]](http://liquipedia.net/commons/images/thumb/0/06/Dark_IEM_WC_2015.jpg/600px-Dark_IEM_WC_2015.jpg) #1: Classic ⇔ SAMEpoints: 339 ![[image loading]](http://liquipedia.net/commons/images/thumb/1/17/Classic_IEM_Shenzhen_2015.jpg/600px-Classic_IEM_Shenzhen_2015.jpg)
Compact as list:
1. Classic (339 pts)
2. Dark (327)
3. INnoVation (268)
4. sOs (248)
5. soO (196)
6. TY (163)
7. Maru (151)
8. Stats (107)
9. GuMiho (61)
10. Zest (56)
+ Show Spoiler [original post] +Here we go again! The GSL round of 16 is over, IEM Katowice is soon happening and the official TL PR just released today! The perfect time to do our own to compare it to TL's. This will be the Katowice edition meaning that only players competing there are to consider. To be clear: The list should reflect your opinion on the current strength of players attending IEM Katowice ( attention: player list can be found here , notice that players in the offline qualifier also count!) What i want you to do: Post your own power ranking in this thread, 10 players only, sorted by their current strength in LOTV. I will only count 'serious' lists, putting in Boxer won't do it. This is the Katowice edition so pls use only players who will participate there. New: Also pls TLPD-ize your lists, i will only count lists which are formatted that way! So how would it work? It's pretty simple, just post your top 10 in this thread. I will go through every post and add the points up. The point distribution will be like that: 1. place = 10 points 2. place = 9 points 3. place = 8 points etc. How much time do i have to post the list?
You will have till the end of february, which means i will count every list which is posted till February 28. ( Time left to make a list: ) Feel free to discuss your rankings in this thread, if you have extra passion you also can write a short text for your favorite player and post it in here as well (it could be used for the final standings) Reminder: You can change your list as often as you like, but i will only count the first list you posted in this thread (which means you should edit your post ) Other editions: Power Rank 1: Power Rank 2: Blizzcon EditionPower Rank 3: Let it be LOTV!Power Rank 4: After the StarleaguesPower Rank 5: Blizzcon with foreignersPower Rank 6: Happy new yearPower Rank 7: Hard decisions
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France2063 Posts
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I'm pretty sure herO dropped out
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RIP, didn't check the lineup for weeks lol
In that case Scarlett makes my list.
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I was tempted to not tell you that jjakji won't be attending IEM, but being a cure fan is already hard enough so if you want your list to count pls edit it 
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United States33629 Posts
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I know i didn't specify it anywhere, but if it's not 1-10 i won't count it 
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On February 25 2018 23:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:I know i didn't specify it anywhere, but if it's not 1-10 i won't count it
What about 10 to 1 for the hipsters?
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On February 26 2018 00:01 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2018 23:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:I know i didn't specify it anywhere, but if it's not 1-10 i won't count it What about 10 to 1 for the hipsters?
I don't prefer it but it's workable. If i think someone just wants to make it harder for me / troll me i simply won't consider the list at all though.
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On February 26 2018 00:01 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2018 23:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:I know i didn't specify it anywhere, but if it's not 1-10 i won't count it What about 10 to 1 for the hipsters?
Durn pls
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France2063 Posts
Who created an account just to troll ? 
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France12936 Posts
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So, I think a lot of people need to change their ranks now. Not all favourites made it through today. Not that everyone even had that opportunity in the first place, but now we know some of those who won't be playing group stages.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
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The 30k post in the community PR, respect!
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On February 27 2018 05:40 Penev wrote:1. Classic2. Dark3. soO4. INnoVation5. sOs6. Stats7. Maru8. TY9. GuMiho10. TrapShow nested quote +On February 27 2018 05:34 Drfilip wrote:
So, I think a lot of people need to change their ranks now. Not all favourites made it through today. Not that everyone even had that opportunity in the first place, but now we know some of those who won't be playing group stages. Should they? I still think + Show Spoiler + is top 10 material even after his loss
Since the dead-line is tomorrow and you are to submit your players in IEM, I thought that you should only include players that are still in the IEM at the dead-line.
An analogy: it seems strange to me to say that INnoVation is the best player in the code S. He is knocked out now, but he was participating earlier.
At the moment + Show Spoiler + is not participating in the IEM. He was beaten by two other players and got knocked out.
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Didn't realise we could change our list after the open bracket. Some editing to do tonight I guess .
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On February 27 2018 18:27 Drfilip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 05:40 Penev wrote:1. Classic2. Dark3. soO4. INnoVation5. sOs6. Stats7. Maru8. TY9. GuMiho10. TrapOn February 27 2018 05:34 Drfilip wrote:
So, I think a lot of people need to change their ranks now. Not all favourites made it through today. Not that everyone even had that opportunity in the first place, but now we know some of those who won't be playing group stages. Should they? I still think + Show Spoiler + is top 10 material even after his loss Since the dead-line is tomorrow and you are to submit your players in IEM, I thought that you should only include players that are still in the IEM at the dead-line. An analogy: it seems strange to me to say that INnoVation is the best player in the code S. He is knocked out now, but he was participating earlier. At the moment + Show Spoiler + is not participating in the IEM. He was beaten by two other players and got knocked out.
The deadline should have been before the whole tournament. The OP, The_Red_Viper, really dropped the ball this time
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On February 27 2018 20:27 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 18:27 Drfilip wrote:On February 27 2018 05:40 Penev wrote:1. Classic2. Dark3. soO4. INnoVation5. sOs6. Stats7. Maru8. TY9. GuMiho10. TrapOn February 27 2018 05:34 Drfilip wrote:
So, I think a lot of people need to change their ranks now. Not all favourites made it through today. Not that everyone even had that opportunity in the first place, but now we know some of those who won't be playing group stages. Should they? I still think + Show Spoiler + is top 10 material even after his loss Since the dead-line is tomorrow and you are to submit your players in IEM, I thought that you should only include players that are still in the IEM at the dead-line. An analogy: it seems strange to me to say that INnoVation is the best player in the code S. He is knocked out now, but he was participating earlier. At the moment + Show Spoiler + is not participating in the IEM. He was beaten by two other players and got knocked out. The deadline should have been before the whole tournament. The OP, The_Red_Viper, really dropped the ball this time
It maybe should have been, but i really wanted to do it after gsl ro16 is done for example.
Now people can include the resuls of the open brackets for their list as well if they want to, which is only one aspect though and i don't agree with "he is out he cannot be the in a PR for the event anymore". The best player definitely could lose before with bad luck, etc.
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France2063 Posts
My new list is now updated. I will be joy if Classic and INno face each other in the final
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On February 27 2018 23:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2018 20:27 Penev wrote:On February 27 2018 18:27 Drfilip wrote:On February 27 2018 05:40 Penev wrote:1. Classic2. Dark3. soO4. INnoVation5. sOs6. Stats7. Maru8. TY9. GuMiho10. TrapOn February 27 2018 05:34 Drfilip wrote:
So, I think a lot of people need to change their ranks now. Not all favourites made it through today. Not that everyone even had that opportunity in the first place, but now we know some of those who won't be playing group stages. Should they? I still think + Show Spoiler + is top 10 material even after his loss Since the dead-line is tomorrow and you are to submit your players in IEM, I thought that you should only include players that are still in the IEM at the dead-line. An analogy: it seems strange to me to say that INnoVation is the best player in the code S. He is knocked out now, but he was participating earlier. At the moment + Show Spoiler + is not participating in the IEM. He was beaten by two other players and got knocked out. The deadline should have been before the whole tournament. The OP, The_Red_Viper, really dropped the ball this time It maybe should have been, but i really wanted to do it after gsl ro16 is done for example. Now people can include the resuls of the open brackets for their list as well if they want to, which is only one aspect though and i don't agree with "he is out he cannot be the in a PR for the event anymore". The best player definitely could lose before with bad luck, etc.
I thought you set the dead-line this late in order for people to read the TL staff PR before making up their own mind, not for them to include the results of the open bracket.
Also, I like your sentiment regarding good players being knocked out.
Losing a couple of games doesn't mean that they are losing their touch. No player has a 100% win rate. Byun was close with his 30+ straight wins in 2016, not a single game lost in official matches.
A 70% win rate is awesome. A 71% win rate was possible for losers in the open bracket. 1-2 loss in the first round. 2-0 wins until losers' bracket final. 1-2 loss to be knocked out. 10-4 game record and still losing.
+ Show Spoiler +Bunny had a 9-4 record and Scarlett had a 9-5 record while losing. 69% and 64% respectively. Compare that to the qualified players from the losers' bracket (winners' bracket had only 3 matches):
Ryung 8-4 67%
True 8-6 57%
SpeCial 9-4 69%
Neeb 10-4 71%
Bunny and Scarlett were quite close to these players in win percentage.
Mean for Bunny and Scarlett: 67%
Mean for Ryung, True, SpeCial and Neeb: 66%
True had so many 2-1 series. He made the mean of advancing players go below the mean of these two non-advancing players.
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Austria24422 Posts
Classic, community hates writers' PR but can't finish their own in time and then people quickly make edits once players they've ranked highly are out, or post after the Open Bracket is done, making this entire thing completely worthless.
C L A S S I C
Writers > Community
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I already explained why "it's not on time".
It's also not completely worthless either way because strictly speaking the event starts tomorrow (though ideally i would have liked it to have been out before the open qualifiers as well)
The problem with the community PR is that i have to give people enough time to make up their mind, otherwise i get like 10 lists.
Again, this is no competition either
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Austria24422 Posts
Yes it is 
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At least you play fair and don't post a troll one
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Poll: Which is the bigger joke?Olli (7) 29% The community PR (11) 46% Nation Wars' format (6) 25% 24 total votes Your vote: Which is the bigger joke? (Vote): Olli
(Vote): The community PR
(Vote): Nation Wars' format
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Austria24422 Posts
Ha, even your poll is backfiring!
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On March 01 2018 02:02 Olli wrote:
Ha, even your poll is backfiring!
Is it ? Maybe I just wanted to criticize Nation Wars!
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On March 01 2018 01:06 Olli wrote:
Classic, community hates writers' PR but can't finish their own in time and then people quickly make edits once players they've ranked highly are out, or post after the Open Bracket is done, making this entire thing completely worthless.
C L A S S I C
Writers > Community
Because of Miz
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Totally late to this party, but seeing as Elentos posted one an hour ago I'll try and sneak mine in:
1. Classic
2. Dark
3. Maru
4. INnoVation
5. sOs
6. soO
7. Stats
8. TY
9. Zest
10. Serral
I've also more or less given up on predictions and PRs though, so there's that.
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On March 01 2018 02:19 pvsnp wrote:Totally late to this party, but seeing as Elentos posted one an hour ago I'll try and sneak mine in: 1. Classic2. Dark3. Maru4. INnoVation5. sOs6. soO7. Stats8. TY9. Zest10. SerralI've also more or less given up on predictions and PRs though, so there's that.
I will count this one, none after this post though
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Austria24422 Posts
You shouldn't count any that were posted or edited after the Open Bracket started. Only way to maintain some semblence of integrity.
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On March 01 2018 02:56 Olli wrote:
You shouldn't count any that were posted or edited after the Open Bracket started. Only way to maintain some semblence of integrity.
Nah that's silly i chose the dates and so be it even if it wasn't perfect, and honestly most people didn't really update a lot anyway.
OP is updated btw
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On March 01 2018 02:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:I will count this one, none after this post though
Muchas gracias
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On March 01 2018 02:56 Olli wrote:
You shouldn't count any that were posted or edited after the Open Bracket started. Only way to maintain some semblence of integrity.
It still ended up basically the same as the writer's power rank except without the non-Koreans, so I don't think it had much of an effect.
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So TL Writers are foreigner biased and the community is realistic apparently. Seems right.
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Well tbf i think scarlett might have made it into the top 10 if she qualified, but other than that not much changed honestly.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
On March 01 2018 01:14 Durnuu wrote:Poll: Which is the bigger joke?Olli (7) 29% The community PR (11) 46% Nation Wars' format (6) 25% 24 total votes Your vote: Which is the bigger joke? (Vote): Olli
(Vote): The community PR
(Vote): Nation Wars' format
What is wrong with Nation Wars' format?
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On March 01 2018 04:31 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2018 01:14 Durnuu wrote:Poll: Which is the bigger joke?Olli (7) 29% The community PR (11) 46% Nation Wars' format (6) 25% 24 total votes Your vote: Which is the bigger joke? (Vote): Olli
(Vote): The community PR
(Vote): Nation Wars' format
What is wrong with Nation Wars' format?
all-kill with revive :/
basically 1 player can carry a team hardcore
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I'll keep my old submission, it was based on the Aligulac at the time and that doesn't lie. The players just underperformed, and that's fine.
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On March 01 2018 04:34 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2018 04:31 Seeker wrote:On March 01 2018 01:14 Durnuu wrote:Poll: Which is the bigger joke?Olli (7) 29% The community PR (11) 46% Nation Wars' format (6) 25% 24 total votes Your vote: Which is the bigger joke? (Vote): Olli
(Vote): The community PR
(Vote): Nation Wars' format
What is wrong with Nation Wars' format? all-kill with revive :/ basically 1 player can carry a team hardcore
This + the voting part which is worthless for some teams which only have 3 choices (useful voting :D) and makes it a popularity contest for others (RIP Classic in Korea)
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So Scarlett and Serral got replaced by Gumiho and Maru while sOs and Inno got switched around.
Otherwise it's identical to the TL PR.
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Format is a bit confusing to me. I didn't change my vote because it seemed contradictory to the point of the poll, but if I had voted yesterday instead of the beginning, I would have a different result.
The timing of the poll close suggests this should be a ranking of qualified players, but it ended up including players who did not qualify. It's not an overall ability poll because it excludes players who did not go to Katowice. I don't see why the voting couldn't have started a few days earlier and ended a few days earlier? If GSL caused someone to change their mind, they could change their vote.
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I already explained it somewhere else, the gist of it was that i wasn't even sure if i would do one but the official one motivated me. Yes it's not perfect and in theory you could have included open qualifier results for this very ranking, but one has to remember that it's not supposed to be a "who will most likely win the tournament" list. It's a power rank for katowice, the strongest player could have lost in the qualifiers and one would (hopefully) still have him at 1st place if the gap is big enough.
Though seeing how the usual participation goes with this, i think i could definitely cut the time people have to post their PR the next time. Usually i gave 1-2 weeks though, but it seems like a few days could be enough.
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