EPTCommunity Update - December Balance Changes - Page 10
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engesser1
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18051 Posts
i think this will be the last year they'll make a giant balance patch. here is the BlizzCon 2017 SC2 Panel. | ||
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Mahanaim
Korea (South)1002 Posts
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egrimm
Poland1202 Posts
On December 10 2017 09:55 youngjiddle wrote: I don't disagree, shield batteries are strong. But I am making a comparison based on current winrates (with the current shield battery cost), and the fact that the winrate could get worse than how bad they are right now with a direct nerf to them. Another thing, shield batteries are not as helpful vs. crazy burst damage like the baneling. Ling/bane/hydra was already a problem for protoss players when taking a third throughout the end of the year, arguably causing the mass oracle meta and oracle opening meta (which is now nerfed also). This is exactly my feelings of pre and post patch PvZ. I did okeyish with classic chargelot immo archon into storm occasionally instantly dying to banes. Then I switched into mass Oracle and suddenly PvZ was sooo much easier mainly due to map control. Now I feel it is a bit harder to control the map and take 3rd uninterrupted so I'm worried about these changes. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
On December 10 2017 02:20 jpg06051992 wrote: Disagree, Stalkers were overpowered vs. Marines and Chrono was overpowered in general, both nerfs are highly appropriate for the state of the game, Protoss is very strong right now vs. Terran and these balance changes clearly are targeted to giving Terrans some breathing room in the early game against Protoss openings. Yup, agreed. The stalker nerf and the chrono nerf both need to go through for PvsT to be balanced. Right now, it's too easy to win as Protoss. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On December 10 2017 18:15 egrimm wrote: This is exactly my feelings of pre and post patch PvZ. I did okeyish with classic chargelot immo archon into storm occasionally instantly dying to banes. Then I switched into mass Oracle and suddenly PvZ was sooo much easier mainly due to map control. Now I feel it is a bit harder to control the map and take 3rd uninterrupted so I'm worried about these changes. make a collossus | ||
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egrimm
Poland1202 Posts
Yeah I'm trying to make it work since the patch got out. Colossus thou is not a remedium to everything. Thing is that I usually get behind because I get my 3rd delayed which leads to delayed 3 Colo timing which then gets crushed as Zerg buys enough time for lurkers as they destroy stalker Colo balls. Is other words Colo is great vs LBH compositions but it doesn't help in getting 3rd base fast and also P is on a timer due to lurkers. | ||
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JackONeill
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
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leublix
493 Posts
Then I switched into mass Oracle and suddenly PvZ was sooo much easier mainly due to map control. Now I feel it is a bit harder to control the map and take 3rd uninterrupted so I'm worried about these changes. Mass oracle was pretty boring though. Personally the option of getting colossi to stomp the whole hydra/ling/bane is nice. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On December 10 2017 23:45 shadymmj wrote: they should revert the raven change. it's a total failure. terran needs ravens to fight against viper/BL/infestor from what i see. TY beat Dark with mass thors and widow mines just today | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On December 11 2017 00:00 Ej_ wrote: TY beat Dark with mass thors and widow mines just today yes but Dark got surprised by the fact TY had wms in his medivacs. If he had known this he would have just made infestors and fungaled the medivacs. On December 10 2017 23:50 leublix wrote: Mass oracle was pretty boring though. Personally the option of getting colossi to stomp the whole hydra/ling/bane is nice. I think Collossus is much more boring than mass oracles | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On December 11 2017 00:15 Charoisaur wrote: yes but Dark got surprised by the fact TY had wms in his medivacs. If he had known this he would have just made infestors and fungaled the medivacs. Do we still file it under surprise when it works in 3 separate games and TY made no effort to hide it? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On December 11 2017 00:35 Elentos wrote: Do we still file it under surprise when it works in 3 separate games and TY made no effort to hide it? Oh I only caught 1 game. But in theory fungal should counter that strategy pretty hard. | ||
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
On December 11 2017 00:35 Elentos wrote: Do we still file it under surprise when it works in 3 separate games and TY made no effort to hide it? Gotta love when people want to make their balance arguments on "well didn't you see that one pro-gamer beat this other one ?? Clearly if there was imbalance it would be impossible for a member of the under-powered race to win any games, ever. Considering Dark has chronically struggled vs. Mech - where as EU zergs and finally some Kr zergs catching up have figured it out - this is irrelevant. Tell me more about how "mech is the answer" for Tvz please. | ||
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EESC2_Cloud
1 Post
I think blizzard should step back a little with these changes, there is no way.. When liberator was so strong, blizzard buff queen and spores (no nerf lib), and now that stalkers can be a threat, u just nerf them to the ground? That is not objective at all, "no nerf way" but hey, its protoss, in this case nerf them all.. And btw, zerg is so strong atm, and 0 changes??? I'm impressed.. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On December 11 2017 01:28 DomeGetta wrote: Gotta love when people want to make their balance arguments on "well didn't you see that one pro-gamer beat this other one ?? Clearly if there was imbalance it would be impossible for a member of the under-powered race to win any games, ever. Considering Dark has chronically struggled vs. Mech - where as EU zergs and finally some Kr zergs catching up have figured it out - this is irrelevant. Tell me more about how "mech is the answer" for Tvz please. Gotta love when people from a parallel universe where that bold part is true try to tell you what your post means. | ||
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Nars_
31 Posts
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
On December 11 2017 04:12 Nars_ wrote: So, we're back to the state from couple months ago. Such progress. Bingo. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 11 2017 00:15 Charoisaur wrote: yes but Dark got surprised by the fact TY had wms in his medivacs. If he had known this he would have just made infestors and fungaled the medivacs. I think Collossus is much more boring than mass oracles On the plus side the existence of the colossus means that zerg doesn't go ling/bane/hydra every game anymore and also goes for stuff like ling/bane/ravager. The problem with ZvP right now is that ling floods and ling drops are very good at doing damage to Protoss early on, or at the very least delay when the third can be taken, which means zerg is in a strong position going into the midgame. I don't think it needs to be addressed immediately, but it will need to eventually if things stay the same. Maybe a dropperlord nerf will be in order. | ||
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