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On November 06 2017 07:05 KR_4EVR wrote:Like the swarmhost isn't? I'm not so sure...
The Swarmhost is possibly OP in one match up if their opponent uses one style. The reaper was broken in both TvZ and TvT.
On November 06 2017 07:05 KR_4EVR wrote:
4) Casting ethos, part B: I don't care if soO has lost 7 finals. It's unacceptable to talk about a player just through that kind of lens. Winning/Losing is 10% of the game. Content is 90%. What I heard this year is the equivalent of everytime you talk to a disabled person, only talking about their disability. Not OK. {If you're reading this, soO, I believe in you still. You have the best ZVP in the world!!!}
The fact that they were all openly rooting for soO was much worse from an ethical perspective. They didn't even try to give an equal amount of time talking about both players they were talking about soO so much.
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Didn't expect that. Sad for soO though- he's the new Yellow
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On November 06 2017 07:05 KR_4EVR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2017 13:56 ParksonVN wrote:
Uncomparable, Rogue doesn’t rely on broken unit like Reaper. Like the swarmhost isn't? I'm not so sure... Five points from this year and five pointers for next year: 1) Nathanias made a great couch controller. 2) All races made a comparable stretch into bracket based on original proportions. 3) FREE TO PLAY HYPE!!! 4) Most of the stuff was free to watch in 720p on Twitch. (Still, the # of people mistaking 5 ARMY for 5 APM were hilarious) 5) Special giving Stats a run for his money!!!! 1) Next year, please change the format to: RO 16: 4 Groups, BO5, double-elimination RO 8: 2 Groups, BO5, double-elimination Semifinals - Finals: BO 7 2) Next year, please rescale the prizepool (see previous post about skew). It's already a generous hunk of $$$ so this doesn't matter as much as it might otherwise. 3) Casting ethos, part A: I can't believe casters failed to mention how many 2-3 reverse sweeps TY has been through this year. I want informed casters who will share useful stuff. 4) Casting ethos, part B: I don't care if soO has lost 7 finals. It's unacceptable to talk about a player just through that kind of lens. Winning/Losing is 10% of the game. Content is 90%. What I heard this year is the equivalent of everytime you talk to a disabled person, only talking about their disability. Not OK. {If you're reading this, soO, I believe in you still. You have the best ZVP in the world!!!} 5) Mr. sound person......... pls balance the audio.
It's a bit hypocritical to want them to drop 4 while espousing 3....
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On November 05 2017 15:11 DieuCure wrote:
Not it's not funny, Bigfan.
No, it's sad but also funny in an odd way. I don't foresee soO winning a finals at this point. 9 2nd place finishes must really hurt quite a bit. Would be better for him to actually just take a break now and then come back refocused.
Rogue was clearly the superior player in their games, should've been obvious by how he went about doing business. I think soO surpassed Yellow's Kong record haha.
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I would be okay with Rogue winning BlizzCon if only he didn't face soO in the finals. I know it's not fair to talk more about the player that lost than about the actual champion, but hell, it's impossible to NOT talk about soO at this point. I was so said about the finals and saw Rogue as a sort of villain that didn't allow soO to have finally accomplish his incredible story. If soO wasn't in the finals, it would be fantastic story for Rogue - qualified for the last minute, going from the 8th spot of WCS Korea, coming second out of his group, have to beat all three races to get the title... My rational me knows all of that and knows that I should be celebrating Rogue (as he really was a better player in the finals), but emotional me just says "fuck this guy, he destroyed one of the best possible stories that could be made on BlizzCon."
Also it was unfortunate that the finals ended up with ZvZ. It's perhaps the worst mirror to watch nowadays, basically any other matchup would be better for the finals. Of course it's just my opinion, but I know many people that feel it the same way (some of my friends even didn't watch the finals just because of ZvZ, they ended up with the semifinals). Plus the fact that there was only one Protoss in the whole playoff bracket didn't help with the variety of the matches played. Hope next year will be better in this aspect.
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I don't know if PvP is watchable tho.
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On November 06 2017 04:14 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2017 02:03 Descent wrote:
Either soO or TY would have been a good narrative, but Rogue just went "Nope!" Honestly TY should have won 3-0 against Rogue but he threw game 3 away by clowning around (6 EBays at one point?) and then just lost control of the series. A TY vs. soO finals was what a lot of people were hoping for after the Ro8. I can understand why people think soO winning would have been a good narrative even if I don't agree, but how would TY winning would have been a good narrative? He had a pretty decent 2016 and had won a boatload of money already in 2017. Do you really think "good player wins a boatload of cash" is a good narrative?
TY is often viewed as an incredibly smart and underrated player who, although has been a progamer for over a decade, hasn't tasted sweet championship success until this year.
My heart really sank for him after he lost the GSL finals against Zest a couple of years back. Lots of people would have loved to see him win Blizzcon, myself included.
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On November 06 2017 01:22 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
wonder what is a bigger spoiler for finals
soO being a participant or Artosis making predicting the winner
what happens if soO faces someone in the finals and Artosis doesnt predict soO o_O
His heart voted for SoO.
On November 06 2017 03:54 washikie wrote:
I predicted rouge would win. I was correct.
Me too, I think he was a clear favourite coming into Blizzcon. He had just won his 2 prior tournaments in a similar fashion to ByuN last year winning GSL and then Blizzcon. Maybe in the masses he was slightly overshadowed by INnoVation fan boys, but I don't think it's fair to say that INnoVation was in the best shape, he did have perhaps the strongest year though.
On November 06 2017 10:25 Bub wrote:
Didn't expect that. Sad for soO though- he's the new Yellow
v.v
I think we're way beyond this point, but perhaps being second at having the most second places, makes you the real true Kong. Which means your not the kong, which means.. wait..
On November 06 2017 14:52 maitiky wrote:
I would be okay with Rogue winning BlizzCon if only he didn't face soO in the finals. I know it's not fair to talk more about the player that lost than about the actual champion, but hell, it's impossible to NOT talk about soO at this point. I was so said about the finals and saw Rogue as a sort of villain that didn't allow soO to have finally accomplish his incredible story. If soO wasn't in the finals, it would be fantastic story for Rogue - qualified for the last minute, going from the 8th spot of WCS Korea, coming second out of his group, have to beat all three races to get the title... My rational me knows all of that and knows that I should be celebrating Rogue (as he really was a better player in the finals), but emotional me just says "fuck this guy, he destroyed one of the best possible stories that could be made on BlizzCon."
Also it was unfortunate that the finals ended up with ZvZ. It's perhaps the worst mirror to watch nowadays, basically any other matchup would be better for the finals. Of course it's just my opinion, but I know many people that feel it the same way (some of my friends even didn't watch the finals just because of ZvZ, they ended up with the semifinals). Plus the fact that there was only one Protoss in the whole playoff bracket didn't help with the variety of the matches played. Hope next year will be better in this aspect.
The way I see it is that this way we get to have two stories. Whereas with SoO winning it would be ending a story. 
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If soO wins blizzcon he retires afterwards, maybe the same with TY; so in a way im happy that soO failed so we can have a chance to see him playing next year but I know that's a selfish though.
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soO fighting! You'll get the GSL next year!
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Why are we still talking about "soo's curse". He has won two tournaments yet. What does he need to do ? Win every finals from now on ?
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Just what the VODs. Rogue was unstoppable at some points, well earned victory.
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It's been two days, and I'm still wondering why soO didn't make 3-4 mutas with his spires. He had the money. I know it's a huge investment and Rogue had a growing army. But he could have sniped so many overlords, thus preventing the drops.
If he was planning on not using it, it would have been better to cancel it.
Really, that got me tilted during the game. I saw the spire finish, all the overlords on the map, and I thought that this was so good for him.
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On November 06 2017 17:57 Argonauta wrote:
If soO wins blizzcon he retires afterwards, maybe the same with TY; so in a way im happy that soO failed so we can have a chance to see him playing next year but I know that's a selfish though.
soO said he wasn't going to retire if he won he would use it as a spark to win more tournaments.
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Of note: Jin Air Green Wings wasn't denied a champion for Blizzcon in 2017.
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On November 06 2017 20:13 LDaVinci wrote:
It's been two days, and I'm still wondering why soO didn't make 3-4 mutas with his spires. He had the money. I know it's a huge investment and Rogue had a growing army. But he could have sniped so many overlords, thus preventing the drops.
If he was planning on not using it, it would have been better to cancel it.
Really, that got me tilted during the game. I saw the spire finish, all the overlords on the map, and I thought that this was so good for him.
It doesn't matter because soO didnt tech up his air attack or armor. Also, he didn't focus on other tech. He wasn't ready for the late game. Rogue, on the other hand, was getting infestors, and getting 3-3 for air way before he engaged soO.
Even if soO made mutas, Rogue's hydras (3-3) plus infestors will wipe them out easily
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On November 07 2017 02:33 BigRedDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2017 20:13 LDaVinci wrote:
It's been two days, and I'm still wondering why soO didn't make 3-4 mutas with his spires. He had the money. I know it's a huge investment and Rogue had a growing army. But he could have sniped so many overlords, thus preventing the drops.
If he was planning on not using it, it would have been better to cancel it.
Really, that got me tilted during the game. I saw the spire finish, all the overlords on the map, and I thought that this was so good for him. It doesn't matter because soO didnt tech up his air attack or armor. Also, he didn't focus on other tech. He wasn't ready for the late game. Rogue, on the other hand, was getting infestors, and getting 3-3 for air way before he engaged soO. Even if soO made mutas, Rogue's hydras (3-3) plus infestors will wipe them out easily
I think soO had a chance after the big battle where Rogue pushed into soO's base with BL/Corrupter/Viper/Hydra/Infestor. After the fight ended, soO had 6k/6k bank to remax with mass muta while Rogue didn't have much anti air. Even if Rogue remakes a bunch of Hydra/Infestor, soO could have bought some time by harrassing the shit out of Rogue's bases and also picking off stray hydras and infestors
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just a fucking awful result, fuck rogue. iirc rogue was shitting on soo before and there was drama. no doubt he will run his mouth more. hope soo smashes him next time and rogue fades off into irrelevance. terrible. hope soo finds a good sports psychologist. so disheartening to see soo lose live to such a terrible villain
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Map 5 was really unlucky for soO. Or was it map 4? Close spawns on a 4 player map with your opponent scouting you first. I really hate 4 player maps, because its like a coinflip.
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