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On October 19 2017 18:31 Olli wrote:
There's a very real scenario where Neeb falls out in the group stage, though. Rogue is in insane form at the moment, I expect him to beat Neeb. But soO's ZvZ is immaculate. That means he's got a very good chance to beat Nerchio and could absolutely beat Rogue as well. If soO advances in first place, I don't see Neeb beating Rogue in the rematch. Rogue is that good.
soO winning a ZvP against Neeb doesn't seem unlikely to me either. Though it's a hard call (for me) since although Neebs PvZ looks disgustingly good, it's usually against foreigners and on top of that it's hard to know soOs form and I generally think he's kind of inconsistent outside of GSL. He did beat Stats at the super tournament though, so he definitely shouldn't be underestimated in the matchup.
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On October 19 2017 18:18 Rolltide wrote:
Neeb is breathing rarefied air. No foreigner in the past would have been rated close to 8th. Naniwa and Lilbow were a distant 16 in their Blizzcons.
Surely that had nothing to do with 15 Koreans present at the respective Global Finals :0
e: soO will wipe the floor with Neeb
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On October 19 2017 18:18 Rolltide wrote:
If Gumiho was a circuit player I doubt he would have won 3 of 4 major events the way Neeb did. He did not make it out of group in GSL season 3. Lost to Zest in the rd of 8 at Homestory cup and did not play in SSL season 2 premier.
GuMiho made it to the Ro16 in GSL S3 and was one game away (against INnoVation) from Ro8.
As for SSL, he didn't even try to qualify in season 2 (like TY). I imagine he didn't participate because those qualifiers were one week before his GSL finals.
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On October 19 2017 10:55 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 10:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 19 2017 10:25 pvsnp wrote:On October 19 2017 10:00 PuddleZerg wrote:
I can't wait to see Neeb fall to a Korean Terran again.
Can't fall to a Korean Terran if you already got knocked out by a Korean Zerg.  The most suitable outcome of that group is for Neeb to beat Rogue with the most disgusting skytoss imaginable before losing to soO and getting crushed in the rematch with Rogue. The most suitable outcome is for both Rogue and soO to beat mass oracles/skytoss and then mention in the winner interviews how they watched a recent series involving Neeb and a Canadian Zerg and how hilariously bad non-Korean Zerg players are who should spend more time practicing and less time whining.
haha greatest comment in this thread.
except the neeb losing part. 
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On October 19 2017 18:59 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 18:31 Olli wrote:
There's a very real scenario where Neeb falls out in the group stage, though. Rogue is in insane form at the moment, I expect him to beat Neeb. But soO's ZvZ is immaculate. That means he's got a very good chance to beat Nerchio and could absolutely beat Rogue as well. If soO advances in first place, I don't see Neeb beating Rogue in the rematch. Rogue is that good. soO winning a ZvP against Neeb doesn't seem unlikely to me either. Though it's a hard call (for me) since although Neebs PvZ looks disgustingly good, it's usually against foreigners and on top of that it's hard to know soOs form and I generally think he's kind of inconsistent outside of GSL. He did beat Stats at the super tournament though, so he definitely shouldn't be underestimated in the matchup.
Uhm, can I get a link to this, would like to see that 
I have no idea who the Canadian ZErg is. Not following LotV at all. The only Canadian Zerg I know wouldn't whine, would she?
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On October 19 2017 16:17 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 15:00 Suohhen wrote:
Too many people treat GSL as though it is the holy grail. There are obviously significant reasons why foreigners have never performed well in the GSL compared to other tournaments which cannot reasonably be explained by talent alone. Also regarding Neeb's personality, there is a reason why the best players have no personality, because they commit every second of their day to Starcraft and nothing else. Like MC, PartinG, Dark, Polt, MMA, Stephano?
Those players are most all retired or close. I am not speaking in the past but rather the present whereby Neeb and Innovation dominate their respective screens and never display an ounce of personality. Of course there will always be exceptions, but like I said I believe it is no coincidence. Other players who used to show a different demeanor have changed substantially as well. For instance GuMiho now looks like someone is holding his family hostage when he is playing.
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On October 20 2017 16:44 Suohhen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 16:17 Charoisaur wrote:On October 19 2017 15:00 Suohhen wrote:
Too many people treat GSL as though it is the holy grail. There are obviously significant reasons why foreigners have never performed well in the GSL compared to other tournaments which cannot reasonably be explained by talent alone. Also regarding Neeb's personality, there is a reason why the best players have no personality, because they commit every second of their day to Starcraft and nothing else. Like MC, PartinG, Dark, Polt, MMA, Stephano? Those players are most all retired or close. I am not speaking in the past but rather the present whereby Neeb and Innovation dominate their respective screens and never display an ounce of personality. Of course there will always be exceptions, but like I said I believe it is no coincidence. Other players who used to show a different demeanor have changed substantially as well. For instance GuMiho now looks like someone is holding his family hostage when he is playing.
How is this relevant? Those players proved you can have a great personality while also being a god at SC2
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On October 20 2017 16:44 Suohhen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 16:17 Charoisaur wrote:On October 19 2017 15:00 Suohhen wrote:
Too many people treat GSL as though it is the holy grail. There are obviously significant reasons why foreigners have never performed well in the GSL compared to other tournaments which cannot reasonably be explained by talent alone. Also regarding Neeb's personality, there is a reason why the best players have no personality, because they commit every second of their day to Starcraft and nothing else. Like MC, PartinG, Dark, Polt, MMA, Stephano? Those players are most all retired or close. I am not speaking in the past but rather the present whereby Neeb and Innovation dominate their respective screens and never display an ounce of personality. Of course there will always be exceptions, but like I said I believe it is no coincidence. Other players who used to show a different demeanor have changed substantially as well. For instance GuMiho now looks like someone is holding his family hostage when he is playing.
Bah, nonsense, if you don't have a "player with pesonality" you can always create one. AKA The Jurgen story.
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On October 19 2017 19:27 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 18:18 Rolltide wrote:
Neeb is breathing rarefied air. No foreigner in the past would have been rated close to 8th. Naniwa and Lilbow were a distant 16 in their Blizzcons.
Surely that had nothing to do with 15 Koreans present at the respective Global Finals :0 e: soO will wipe the floor with Neeb
Right?
When the tournament is segregated with 8 foreign players it's not worth nearly as much to be ranked so high compared with previous blizzcons.
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On October 20 2017 05:06 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 18:59 DBooN wrote:On October 19 2017 18:31 Olli wrote:
There's a very real scenario where Neeb falls out in the group stage, though. Rogue is in insane form at the moment, I expect him to beat Neeb. But soO's ZvZ is immaculate. That means he's got a very good chance to beat Nerchio and could absolutely beat Rogue as well. If soO advances in first place, I don't see Neeb beating Rogue in the rematch. Rogue is that good. soO winning a ZvP against Neeb doesn't seem unlikely to me either. Though it's a hard call (for me) since although Neebs PvZ looks disgustingly good, it's usually against foreigners and on top of that it's hard to know soOs form and I generally think he's kind of inconsistent outside of GSL. He did beat Stats at the super tournament though, so he definitely shouldn't be underestimated in the matchup. Uhm, can I get a link to this, would like to see that I have no idea who the Canadian ZErg is. Not following LotV at all. The only Canadian Zerg I know wouldn't whine, would she?
I love Scarlett but she has a pretty prolific history of balance whining on twitter along with a lot of the other foreign Zergs.
I tend to justify it though because she actually backs up her claims about Protoss by actually PLAYING Protoss and winning with it, people like Nerchio generally bitch about every match up and then never back any of it up with actual off-race play. Scarlett never whines about Terran but she's constantly complaining about how easy Protoss has it in PvZ.
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On October 20 2017 16:53 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2017 16:44 Suohhen wrote:On October 19 2017 16:17 Charoisaur wrote:On October 19 2017 15:00 Suohhen wrote:
Too many people treat GSL as though it is the holy grail. There are obviously significant reasons why foreigners have never performed well in the GSL compared to other tournaments which cannot reasonably be explained by talent alone. Also regarding Neeb's personality, there is a reason why the best players have no personality, because they commit every second of their day to Starcraft and nothing else. Like MC, PartinG, Dark, Polt, MMA, Stephano? Those players are most all retired or close. I am not speaking in the past but rather the present whereby Neeb and Innovation dominate their respective screens and never display an ounce of personality. Of course there will always be exceptions, but like I said I believe it is no coincidence. Other players who used to show a different demeanor have changed substantially as well. For instance GuMiho now looks like someone is holding his family hostage when he is playing. How is this relevant? Those players proved you can have a great personality while also being a god at SC2
In the past yes, but the meta has changed significantly. And again sure there are always exceptions, but my beef is with those who criticize Neeb as though his personality is a problem.
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On October 21 2017 03:21 Suohhen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2017 16:53 Charoisaur wrote:On October 20 2017 16:44 Suohhen wrote:On October 19 2017 16:17 Charoisaur wrote:On October 19 2017 15:00 Suohhen wrote:
Too many people treat GSL as though it is the holy grail. There are obviously significant reasons why foreigners have never performed well in the GSL compared to other tournaments which cannot reasonably be explained by talent alone. Also regarding Neeb's personality, there is a reason why the best players have no personality, because they commit every second of their day to Starcraft and nothing else. Like MC, PartinG, Dark, Polt, MMA, Stephano? Those players are most all retired or close. I am not speaking in the past but rather the present whereby Neeb and Innovation dominate their respective screens and never display an ounce of personality. Of course there will always be exceptions, but like I said I believe it is no coincidence. Other players who used to show a different demeanor have changed substantially as well. For instance GuMiho now looks like someone is holding his family hostage when he is playing. How is this relevant? Those players proved you can have a great personality while also being a god at SC2 In the past yes, but the meta has changed significantly. And again sure there are always exceptions, but my beef is with those who criticize Neeb as though his personality is a problem.
Blizzard must be a lot better at adjusting the meta than I thought if they're able to do a targeted nerf on players with personality.
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On October 21 2017 03:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 03:21 Suohhen wrote:On October 20 2017 16:53 Charoisaur wrote:On October 20 2017 16:44 Suohhen wrote:On October 19 2017 16:17 Charoisaur wrote:On October 19 2017 15:00 Suohhen wrote:
Too many people treat GSL as though it is the holy grail. There are obviously significant reasons why foreigners have never performed well in the GSL compared to other tournaments which cannot reasonably be explained by talent alone. Also regarding Neeb's personality, there is a reason why the best players have no personality, because they commit every second of their day to Starcraft and nothing else. Like MC, PartinG, Dark, Polt, MMA, Stephano? Those players are most all retired or close. I am not speaking in the past but rather the present whereby Neeb and Innovation dominate their respective screens and never display an ounce of personality. Of course there will always be exceptions, but like I said I believe it is no coincidence. Other players who used to show a different demeanor have changed substantially as well. For instance GuMiho now looks like someone is holding his family hostage when he is playing. How is this relevant? Those players proved you can have a great personality while also being a god at SC2 In the past yes, but the meta has changed significantly. And again sure there are always exceptions, but my beef is with those who criticize Neeb as though his personality is a problem. Blizzard must be a lot better at adjusting the meta than I thought if they're able to do a targeted nerf on players with personality.
While David Kim distracted the masses with bunker build times, he secretly and subtly implemented his master plan. He retired only after he had suceeded at purging SC2 of all personality.
It is known.
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On October 19 2017 14:14 yht9657 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 10:55 Boggyb wrote:On October 19 2017 10:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 19 2017 10:25 pvsnp wrote:On October 19 2017 10:00 PuddleZerg wrote:
I can't wait to see Neeb fall to a Korean Terran again.
Can't fall to a Korean Terran if you already got knocked out by a Korean Zerg. The most suitable outcome of that group is for Neeb to beat Rogue with the most disgusting skytoss imaginable before losing to soO and getting crushed in the rematch with Rogue. The most suitable outcome is for both Rogue and soO to beat mass oracles/skytoss and then mention in the winner interviews how they watched a recent series involving Neeb and a Canadian Zerg and how hilariously bad non-Korean Zerg players are who should spend more time practicing and less time whining. Can't agree more. Playing skytoss against Rogue is like suicide
Let the games begin and let's see who among us is right!!!! go Neeeebbb!!!!!
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no image of his tweet saying hi was overrated? hahha this was a great season for him but i still think that soO and Rogue are one step ahead.
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