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On October 19 2017 04:05 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
Not sure if you're being fair with Neeb... saying things like "He came, he conquered, and like the wind, he left, to rise against in Dreamhack Austin" is like saying his inconsistent... when actually he's been pretty consistent for the past 2 years, He might not be the best... but i believe he should be a bit higher in the rank.
No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.
I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...
Yeah he's been really consistent to be honest and seems to be constantly improving where as the foreigners who were near his equal have stagnated, like Nerchio, Showtime etc. I don't think most people would be surprised if he did well though. I can't see him winning, but i could totally see him going to the semis with some favourable matchups.
If you curate the bracket just right, I could totally see him win. Just make sure he faces Stats and herO + the worse ZvP of either Rogue or soO after the group stage, and he could definitely win that.
As long as Neeb a). Gets out of his bracket and b). Gets no Terrans at all, then he has a great chance of winning.
If he gets out of his group, Neeb beat a Korean Zerg, he can beat Stats/herO, and he just has to face not Dark in order to win. :D
Edit: oooh 600!
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On October 19 2017 04:13 fishjie wrote:
wtf look, Neeb is legit good. Very good. He has slaughtered koreans. But gumiho is a GSL champion. CHAMPION. Neeb is not close to GSL champion. This is wrong.
Gumiho isn't close to GSL champion level either right now.
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Everyone's shitting on hero but he's had ridiculously good results lately. He won Master's Colisseum 2 (beating players like Inno, Rogue, Dear and Soo) and he won his Ting group beating alive and Stats. While no, those are not offline major events, but the dude is playing really well right now. I don't know understand the criticism honestly.
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On October 19 2017 04:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 04:13 fishjie wrote:
wtf look, Neeb is legit good. Very good. He has slaughtered koreans. But gumiho is a GSL champion. CHAMPION. Neeb is not close to GSL champion. This is wrong. Gumiho isn't close to GSL champion level either right now.
Gumiho is just as good now as when he won GSL. The difference is that he had perfect bracket luck back then, which is unlikely to be repeatable
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On October 19 2017 04:38 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 04:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 19 2017 04:13 fishjie wrote:
wtf look, Neeb is legit good. Very good. He has slaughtered koreans. But gumiho is a GSL champion. CHAMPION. Neeb is not close to GSL champion. This is wrong. Gumiho isn't close to GSL champion level either right now. Gumiho is just as good now as when he won GSL. The difference is that he had perfect bracket luck back then, which is unlikely to be repeatable
His bracket wasn't particularly hard, but he's definitely fallen off since then, most notably in TvZ where his mech style just doesn't work as well anymore.
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The best of his zone for three straight championships, still ranked 8 
I don't disagree, but it certainly explains why only koreans would want more cross regions matches if true.
rank as overall skill with full preparation GSL conditions, yes, the kor rank is better, and the GSL matches are awesome
But, there are no similar competition conditions for EU/US.
Hence no measurable/meaningful comparison possible if you use GSL conditions.
Anyway preparation time in GSL is what makes it great, blizzcon is different, neeb did it before in similar conditions in korea just last year.
Although Koreans crush overall in shoutcraft kings, we've seen they can be surprised by players that are not even close to being in this ranking.
So serral or neeb can still make a good run in LAN conditions against the best, despite this rank imho (in my hopeful opinion)
and this ranking where everyone agrees GSL competition is the scale but mixes ppl who compete in it with ppl that don't is kind of meaningless
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On October 18 2017 23:13 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2017 23:11 Toudeleski wrote:
Didn't read but disagree with everything. Thanks for your invaluable contribution.
It made me laugh; pretty valuable contribution I agree
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On October 19 2017 04:04 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.
I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...
Comments like this make me hope foreigners get brutally rekt at blizzcon.
This.
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NEEEEB!
That's all I have to say, really. Nice picture, Shayla! :D
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Such a cool personality Naniwa had...like when he exited IEM World Champ against Polt cus of crowd cheer
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On October 19 2017 06:54 Locutos wrote:
Such a cool personality Naniwa had...like when he exited IEM World Champ against Polt cus of crowd cheer
That was honestly peak entertainment
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On October 19 2017 04:05 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
Not sure if you're being fair with Neeb... saying things like "He came, he conquered, and like the wind, he left, to rise against in Dreamhack Austin" is like saying his inconsistent... when actually he's been pretty consistent for the past 2 years, He might not be the best... but i believe he should be a bit higher in the rank.
No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.
I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...
Yeah he's been really consistent to be honest and seems to be constantly improving where as the foreigners who were near his equal have stagnated, like Nerchio, Showtime etc. I don't think most people would be surprised if he did well though. I can't see him winning, but i could totally see him going to the semis with some favourable matchups.
I bolded the problem with starcraft 2 fans here. If he wins a few matches or maybe even makes a deep run the excuse will be that he had favourable match ups but if he loses in the group stages it will be because he's a foreigner and he'll never be able to beat Koreans, even though this is demonstrably false.
I get that the Korean players are generally the best players in the game since always but I've never understood why the thought that a foreigner might be able to win one of these huge tournaments seems to leave such a bad taste in so many mouths. Like, look at the comments about how easy neeb had it at KeSPA Cup. It's ridiculous.
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On October 19 2017 07:16 breaker1328 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 04:05 AxionSteel wrote:On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
Not sure if you're being fair with Neeb... saying things like "He came, he conquered, and like the wind, he left, to rise against in Dreamhack Austin" is like saying his inconsistent... when actually he's been pretty consistent for the past 2 years, He might not be the best... but i believe he should be a bit higher in the rank.
No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.
I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...
Yeah he's been really consistent to be honest and seems to be constantly improving where as the foreigners who were near his equal have stagnated, like Nerchio, Showtime etc. I don't think most people would be surprised if he did well though. I can't see him winning, but i could totally see him going to the semis with some favourable matchups. I bolded the problem with starcraft 2 fans here. If he wins a few matches or maybe even makes a deep run the excuse will be that he had favourable match ups but if he loses in the group stages it will be because he's a foreigner and he'll never be able to beat Koreans, even though this is demonstrably false. I get that the Korean players are generally the best players in the game since always but I've never understood why the thought that a foreigner might be able to win one of these huge tournaments seems to leave such a bad taste in so many mouths. Like, look at the comments about how easy neeb had it at KeSPA Cup. It's ridiculous.
Except I lauded him for his Kespa cup victory and rate him up there with the top Koreans. The fact that I don't expect him to win is not about him being foreign at all. I think most players need some form of luck to take the tournament. Gumiho played a lot of TvT to win the GSL, etc.
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On October 19 2017 07:16 breaker1328 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 04:05 AxionSteel wrote:On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
Not sure if you're being fair with Neeb... saying things like "He came, he conquered, and like the wind, he left, to rise against in Dreamhack Austin" is like saying his inconsistent... when actually he's been pretty consistent for the past 2 years, He might not be the best... but i believe he should be a bit higher in the rank.
No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.
I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...
Yeah he's been really consistent to be honest and seems to be constantly improving where as the foreigners who were near his equal have stagnated, like Nerchio, Showtime etc. I don't think most people would be surprised if he did well though. I can't see him winning, but i could totally see him going to the semis with some favourable matchups. I bolded the problem with starcraft 2 fans here. If he wins a few matches or maybe even makes a deep run the excuse will be that he had favourable match ups but if he loses in the group stages it will be because he's a foreigner and he'll never be able to beat Koreans, even though this is demonstrably false. I get that the Korean players are generally the best players in the game since always but I've never understood why the thought that a foreigner might be able to win one of these huge tournaments seems to leave such a bad taste in so many mouths. Like, look at the comments about how easy neeb had it at KeSPA Cup. It's ridiculous.
Not really. When a player consistantly performs at a certain level and then suddenly does better in one tournament while playing only their best matchup, you can make the excuse of bracket luck.
In the case of Neeb, making the bracket luck claim is justified. He went against players that didn't even know who he was, and won almost exclusively with PvP. Now if Neeb had maintained the same dominance he showed at kespa cup, no one could call bracket luck. The issue is he didn't. He got crushed at blizzcon, wesg, iem, and most recently gsl.
(worth noting that bracket luck is almost always a factor in who wins an event, just some more than others)
On October 19 2017 04:45 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 04:38 Fango wrote:On October 19 2017 04:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On October 19 2017 04:13 fishjie wrote:
wtf look, Neeb is legit good. Very good. He has slaughtered koreans. But gumiho is a GSL champion. CHAMPION. Neeb is not close to GSL champion. This is wrong. Gumiho isn't close to GSL champion level either right now. Gumiho is just as good now as when he won GSL. The difference is that he had perfect bracket luck back then, which is unlikely to be repeatable His bracket wasn't particularly hard, but he's definitely fallen off since then, most notably in TvZ where his mech style just doesn't work as well anymore.
His bracket in GSL was perfect. TvT was his best matchup and soO couldn't ZvT to save his life
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Neeb is so difficult to rate because while he absolutely dominated the WCS Circuit, the WCS Circuit is weaker this year than it was last year with the loss of Polt and Showtime being a shadow of his former self.
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On October 19 2017 00:02 Fango wrote:
I think Neeb and Serral will reach the ro8 blizzcon at least.
Serral will have to get past Gumiho or beat True twice in ZvZ to do it (Vs Gumiho is far more likely). Neither he nor True stand a chance against Innovation who will probably end up as the number 1 ranked player going into the tournament. Gumiho's a wild card, if he shows up in the shape he was in for his Code S title run and somehow gets past Innovation in the group's winner's match then Serral and True don't have a chance. Their best chance is for Innovation to crush the group as is expected and then face an erratic Gumiho who they can wear down with standard play.
Neebs group is just generally tough but fortunately for him it only consists of one match up, but he needs to beat the two best Zergs in the whole tournament to advance (Dark is a solid 3rd best ok!)
That said, I think I like Neeb's chances the best of any of the foreigners in the tournament to make Ro8.
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On October 19 2017 04:04 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 03:31 siskel wrote:
No matter how good you can say herO, Stats is... I believe in the past 2 years Neeb has had more consistency than herO, and is pretty close with Stats, so as far what protoss is about he're pretty much one of the strongest in the world.
I have a feeling Neeb might give a surprise this year...
Comments like this make me hope foreigners get brutally rekt at blizzcon.
Need deserves higher rank than 8.
And you generally have negative forum comments, I doubt is has anything to do with the prior comment you quoted.
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With Rogue’s current form, i dont the reason why he won’t rekt Neeb. To beat Rogue in PvZ, you just can’t play a straight game, but that’s Neeb strength, so... .
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neeb is so hard to predict imo.
honestly he is so good sometimes, and then looks bad sometimes (vs scarlett recently) but still pulls out the wins, because there is that much of a skill gap. he has that superstar skill to him if only he puts out the play he has inside him. he could place anywhere at blizzcon imo and his ranking he is pretty accurate.
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EPT
