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Vanillatoss
76 Posts
On October 17 2017 03:04 LtCalley wrote: i knew it was gonna be like this, but it's still funny to see nothing but foreigners at the bottom of the power rank xD Im kind of OK with it tho.. cause.. how many times TL Power rank was wrong....  | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
also nerchio > snute, you will see | ||
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Kafka777
361 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 17 2017 04:30 Kafka777 wrote: I think that the skill difference between these 16 players is marginal right now, at least much smaller than many people believe. Each player can take down any other player. Innovation perhaps stands out a bit. Its all down to form on a given day and bracket luck. I disagree. Even within the WCS circuit the difference between Neeb and Kelazhur or Neeb and TRUE feels absolutely massive. While there are other factors that come into play such as races, some players just look hopelessly outclassed. Of the opening matches MajOr beating Stats, Kelazhur beating Dark, or TRUE beating INno are results I wouldn't bet on given 10 to 1 odds. edit: On second thought at 10:1 I might bet on MajOr beating Stats. It's pretty close. I wouldn't take anything shorter though. | ||
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scoo2r
Canada91 Posts
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On October 17 2017 05:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I disagree. Even within the WCS circuit the difference between Neeb and Kelazhur or Neeb and TRUE feels absolutely massive. While there are other factors that come into play such as races, some players just look hopelessly outclassed. Of the opening matches MajOr beating Stats, Kelazhur beating Dark, or TRUE beating INno are results I wouldn't bet on given 10 to 1 odds. edit: On second thought at 10:1 I might bet on MajOr beating Stats. It's pretty close. I wouldn't take anything shorter though. I'd bet on MajOr > Stats at 5:1 comfortably. He took him to five games at GSL vs the World, and it's only a Bo3. Upsets will come a lot easier than you might expect, ie. ShoWTimE > ByuN or Solar collapsing | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On October 17 2017 05:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I disagree. Even within the WCS circuit the difference between Neeb and Kelazhur or Neeb and TRUE feels absolutely massive. While there are other factors that come into play such as races, some players just look hopelessly outclassed. Of the opening matches MajOr beating Stats, Kelazhur beating Dark, or TRUE beating INno are results I wouldn't bet on given 10 to 1 odds. edit: On second thought at 10:1 I might bet on MajOr beating Stats. It's pretty close. I wouldn't take anything shorter though. Dark vs Kelazhur and True vs Inno are by far the most onesided opening matches. The (arguably) two weakest players at Blizzcon against the (arguably) two strongest. Barring a complete meltdown from the Koreans, they will take it effortlessly. MajOr at least has some semblance of a chance against Stats, albeit not a great one. The Blizzcon groups as a whole aren't very good for the foreigners. I would guess one (Serral or Neeb) makes it to the Ro8, two at most, and wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be zero. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 17 2017 06:00 Soularion wrote: I'd bet on MajOr > Stats at 5:1 comfortably. He took him to five games at GSL vs the World, and it's only a Bo3. Upsets will come a lot easier than you might expect, ie. ShoWTimE > ByuN or Solar collapsing Fair enough. Both MajOr and Stats have been looking worse since then which also which adds some uncertainty. Ignoring specific numbers though I still wouldn't call skill differences between the top 16 players marginal. | ||
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
On October 17 2017 05:54 scoo2r wrote: Age is a key factor, looking at overall esports earnings a player is in their prime between 19-22 years old which predicts good runs for players like Elazer and Neeb. I always wonder why people never bring that up | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 17 2017 06:18 Sakat wrote: I always wonder why people never bring that up Most players peak in skill when around that age, and it's because they are most skilled that they earn more. So people don't discuss the age of the players as much since their age is subsumed by discussing their skill. | ||
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
On October 17 2017 06:29 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Most players peak in skill when around that age, and it's because they are most skilled that they earn more. So people don't discuss the age of the players as much since their age is subsumed by discussing their skill. I guess so. In most sports age is discussed regularly so I thought it was weird | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 17 2017 06:38 Sakat wrote: I guess so. In most sports age is discussed regularly so I thought it was weird I wouldn't be surprised if it got to that point eventually assuming that a single eSport exists for long enough in a stable form for several generations of players exist. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8315 Posts
On October 17 2017 01:16 Fango wrote: I don't see a reason to put Elazer as the second highest foreigner tbh, I feel like his acheiments (although great) have been carried by ZvZ. Wouldn't give him a good chance against the terrans and protoss at blizzcon, not compared Snute and Serral at least I felt the same way until I read the article. I think the article makes a good argument for why Elazer is second best foreigner. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On October 17 2017 01:50 IArako wrote: Gumiho, SoO, TY, herO will be below Neeb  herO just made it to the finals of an offline Korean tournament and lost 4-3 to the best ZvP player in the world. In terms of current form, that's more impressive than winning a WCS Circuit event. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2017 07:01 TheDougler wrote: I felt the same way until I read the article. I think the article makes a good argument for why Elazer is second best foreigner. The article is good at building hype and stories sure. But it terms of the actual games he's been showing, I can't put him higher than Snute or Serral (except maybe in ZvZs against eachother, but even then it's close) | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Good to see they're doing the Signature Series again this year, I really liked the ones last year. | ||
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engesser1
264 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On October 17 2017 12:05 engesser1 wrote: Cool signature. I don't know why but Elazer he is like Desireless (Claudie Fritsch-Mentrop). Hahahahahahaha | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On October 17 2017 08:38 Fango wrote: The article is good at building hype and stories sure. But it terms of the actual games he's been showing, I can't put him higher than Snute or Serral (except maybe in ZvZs against eachother, but even then it's close) I would say Elazer has some of the best ZvP in the foreign scene and probably better than Snute's or Serral's (Serral is more of a tossup but he did say he's been struggling in the matchup during his time in Korea). Stats kept getting destroyed by Elazer on his stream (and then lost a series to him in a tournament the next day), and in general Elazer has always expressed confidence in that matchup. Ofc, these are just ladder games and online tournaments but I don't think it's a big stretch to say Elazer has the best ZvP outside of Korea, and his ZvZ is very much up there too. Elazer's ZvT has always been super shaky and his recent wins (and loss) against Gumiho were fun to watch but ultimately not too convincing. Both Snute and Serral probably have his number in that regard. Personally I would probably put Serral ahead of Elazer, but I think Elazer's rank over Snute is fair. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23579 Posts
On October 17 2017 12:05 engesser1 wrote: Cool signature. I don't know why but Elazer he is like Desireless (Claudie Fritsch-Mentrop). lmfao, I can't unsee :D And yes, that signature video was great. Elazer has a really cool dad! | ||
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