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Evil Geniuses-Liquid retrospective with TLO - Page 4

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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-19 12:52:34
March 19 2017 12:51 GMT
#61
On March 19 2017 21:41 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2017 21:08 Shield wrote:
On March 15 2017 13:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Great interview! I'm surprised at how bitter and cynical TLO felt in the beginning, calling a well-established team that could actually pay its players a salary "a sellout". Especially with all its sponsorships (just like TL), EG did a great job of hyping up e-sports and the SC2 scene and progaming in general.


Well, some of EG's players were indeed sellouts. As soon as they became good and well known, EG bought them. Even though I don't watch football, imagine if there is a team which bought Ronaldo, Messi, etc. How is the scene competitive then? I think at that time we needed some independent organisation which maintained balance. You can't buy all the good players if you have enough money. It's just not fun for fans.

"good and well known" is a rather different thing when compared across different competitions. Accordingly, EG's goal to pay well and seek out top talent did not stifle competition in Sc2 the way that a similar move might in sports like baseball or football; the results from this era, particularly once Hero hit his stride and Puma began to lose his luster, further suggest that this was the case. And this idea that it wasn't fun for fans directly conflicts with just how much hype and popularity resulted from the EG-TL rivalry that embraced EG's bad boy image.


Yes, but it's kind of like Intel and AMD. There is NO one else. Similarly, it was only TL and EG. Millenium was kind of nice, but it had only Stephano (he became EG later). What I'm saying is we could have had more than 2 equally competitive teams.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-19 13:07:50
March 19 2017 13:07 GMT
#62
Perhaps, though that invites a backwards glance that I'm not sure is worth the hassle. What I mean is that it's really difficult to say whether EG or TL did anything that stifled competition that would have arisen had TL or EG not done said thing. This is a difficult undertaking for a few reasons; one, EG and TL themselves contributed to the rise and popularity of other teams through cross-promotion, this site, and other things, so it's possible that a more conservative EG or TL may have actually lowered the standing of other teams in difficult to pin down ways. Further, it seems to me that most of the other teams "worth" the promotion potentially lost by a too-powerful EG-TL found it anyway in one way or the other. While I think your point relative to player salary is hard to dispute, the big picture question as to how much of the scene could have been grown by smaller teams seems tough to answer.
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lagcats
Profile Joined February 2016
172 Posts
March 19 2017 15:37 GMT
#63
Nice interview, keep it up.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-19 15:56:21
March 19 2017 15:54 GMT
#64
Enjoyed the interview. So much drama back then lol. Feels like yesterday when the whole EG vs TL rivalry was going on. I was always on TL's side I believe but I also liked EG. Puma made quite the mark with his 1v1(and 1-1-1) and the drama behind how he was acquired with Mr. Lee (it was Puma, right?), Stephano with his game and then EG also brought Thorzain and Jaedong etc... Loved the scene back then, lots of hype, drama and WoL was still fantastic to play and spectate.

MLG, DH, NASL, KR weekly and then the crazy hype for EG-TL PL etc... good times. Anyways, not really surprising that he was hurt by HuK's move especially if EG was being painted with such a negative? brush and he felt that HuK was being a sellout. Things is, HuK was hitting his prime then, best time to leverage it for some financial benefits. Would be interesting to read about HuK's own statement regarding his move and time on EG. Thanks for the interview.
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-19 16:24:08
March 19 2017 16:19 GMT
#65
On March 20 2017 00:54 BigFan wrote:
Enjoyed the interview. So much drama back then lol. Feels like yesterday when the whole EG vs TL rivalry was going on. I was always on TL's side I believe but I also liked EG. Puma made quite the mark with his 1v1(and 1-1-1) and the drama behind how he was acquired with Mr. Lee (it was Puma, right?), Stephano with his game and then EG also brought Thorzain and Jaedong etc... Loved the scene back then, lots of hype, drama and WoL was still fantastic to play and spectate.

MLG, DH, NASL, KR weekly and then the crazy hype for EG-TL PL etc... good times. Anyways, not really surprising that he was hurt by HuK's move especially if EG was being painted with such a negative? brush and he felt that HuK was being a sellout. Things is, HuK was hitting his prime then, best time to leverage it for some financial benefits. Would be interesting to read about HuK's own statement regarding his move and time on EG. Thanks for the interview.


Didn't HuK already share his views on EG? I think he is grateful, but he regrets being 'thrown away' by the new EG staff.

Edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/517836-huk-on-eg-departure-tossed-aside
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