TLO looks like the typical german guy nowadays - very kind and well mannared person who is trying not to tease the other people arround or to make them feel uncomfortable. And for this reason he is tormenting himself sometimes I guess, because he is unable to express his emotions and even anger sometimes. idra is the kind of the opposite side who is clearly more direct and has no problem with that. Of course it is just an interview, I cannot speak for the person of TLO without knowing him with details, but I met him once in a dreamhack and he is really a nice guy. One of the very first from the BETA times who inspired me a lot.
Thank you for sharing this interview!

Liquid`Nazgul

22427 Posts

March 15 2017 12:25 GMT

#46

Those days we had a really special family bond that extended far beyond the game. I still have a real soft spot for all of those guys. They helped us achieve where we are today.

Elentos

55594 Posts

March 15 2017 12:31 GMT

#47

On March 15 2017 18:46 mikedebo wrote:
Great interview. Also, godlike postscript there, Wax.

What is TLO up to these days????

Streaming on a regular basis and still giving it his all as a progamer.

slit

Spain212 Posts

March 15 2017 13:32 GMT

#48

Nothing to add that wasn't said before, really. Excellent post, great interview. TLO, I'd like to be your grandson some day!

Hushfieldx

Belgium64 Posts

March 16 2017 19:07 GMT

#49

Nice interview! Very insightful. I recently heard some casters talk about constructing narrative in SC2, and this rivalry was definitely part of that at the start of SC2.

Aquila Magna

Germany38 Posts

March 16 2017 23:46 GMT

#50

Great interview, thx to Wax. Crazy how much time has passed since the Sc2 Beta. I was watching a lot of the Homerj show back then (hello, fellow Germans!).

Also: I always liked Dario as a player and it feels good to be reassured that he seems to be a guy of good manners, kindness and sound mind.

lestye

United States4241 Posts

March 17 2017 02:12 GMT

#51

This was really sweet. Makes me nostalgic for the good days, but I think those good days were significantly shorter most would think.

I think it was just the huge personalities of idra and huk that sold everyone on the rivalry, and then after huk was picked up by EG, it just felt sometime after HuK defected to EG, there didnt feel like any drama or anything after that, no 2nd act to the story, if that makes sense.

I do appreciate the rivalry in Starcraft makes me more hype for EG-TL matchups in other games, most recently Kbrad vs. Du. In

Dota for a long time it felt like either EG would suck bad or Liquid would suck bad at a single time, so the rivalry didn't really go anywhere, even with Dota EG and TL were both NA teams.

its funny how I remember InControl describing Liquid as a retirement home, when thats ALL EG was towards the end. I do agree with TLO, i I kinda wish EG would pick up just a couple COMPETITIVE players, like they do for Street Fighter so we could have some semblance of it.Looking at their results on Liquipedia, they had "players" but they were completely out of the running for a championship for AGES.

eeChiama

Argentina96 Posts

March 17 2017 03:00 GMT

#52

I remember the annoucement day. I felt completely betrayed. Okay, maybe a lil bit unjustified, but I actually rooted for Koreans against HuK from that point on.
The greatest Sc2 days tho, the great WoL.

Latrommi

United States222 Posts

March 17 2017 07:50 GMT

#53

Amazing interview. Can't believe it's been so long since things like the HuK TLO rivalry.

shinarit

Hungary900 Posts

March 18 2017 17:16 GMT

#54

I just wish TLO would get back to SupCom. If SC2 is dead and he wasn't in it for the money anyways, we would love to get a great player for FAF. That is where strategy games peaked.

Danglars

United States12133 Posts

March 18 2017 22:32 GMT

#55

I still have a Liquid'HuK signed shirt from back in those days (and thanks GHOSTCLAW for spotting me a shirt when I had to give up the one I was wearing). Then it felt cheap when he left the team not too long afterwards. Cool rivalry at start, then it sort of faded, just like TLO said.

lestye

United States4241 Posts

March 19 2017 00:38 GMT

#56

On March 19 2017 02:16 shinarit wrote:
I just wish TLO would get back to SupCom. If SC2 is dead and he wasn't in it for the money anyways, we would love to get a great player for FAF. That is where strategy games peaked.

wat? If SC2 is "dead", I dont even know how anyone would describe Supreme Commander's scene.

Captain Peabody

United States3136 Posts

March 19 2017 01:14 GMT

#57

I still have a deep and abiding affection for all you folks, and always will. From the days when Jinro was the mod of the SC2 alpha forum, to the tournaments running right now, it's been a good run. And yes, I was definitely on the TL side of the great divide...I had similar feelings when EG signed Huk.

Here's to many more years!

<3

Poopi

France13018 Posts

March 19 2017 01:15 GMT

#58

"Don't let your emotions cloud your judgement", wow even for the man himself it's hard to apply these nice words (see. HuK part).
Nice interview, bring back good memories

.
How did TLO manage to keep playing with RSI?

Shield

Bulgaria4824 Posts

March 19 2017 12:08 GMT

#59

On March 15 2017 13:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Great interview! I'm surprised at how bitter and cynical TLO felt in the beginning, calling a well-established team that could actually pay its players a salary "a sellout". Especially with all its sponsorships (just like TL), EG did a great job of hyping up e-sports and the SC2 scene and progaming in general.

Well, some of EG's players were indeed sellouts. As soon as they became good and well known, EG bought them. Even though I don't watch football, imagine if there is a team which bought Ronaldo, Messi, etc. How is the scene competitive then? I think at that time we needed some independent organisation which maintained balance. You can't buy all the good players if you have enough money. It's just not fun for fans.

farvacola

United States18869 Posts

March 19 2017 12:41 GMT

#60

On March 19 2017 21:08 Shield wrote:

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"good and well known" is a rather different thing when compared across different competitions. Accordingly, EG's goal to pay well and seek out top talent did not stifle competition in Sc2 the way that a similar move might in sports like baseball or football; the results from this era, particularly once Hero hit his stride and Puma began to lose his luster, further suggest that this was the case. And this idea that it wasn't fun for fans directly conflicts with just how much hype and popularity resulted from the EG-TL rivalry that embraced EG's bad boy image.