• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:06
CEST 09:06
KST 16:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon98Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week #92
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ a Announcement on the JEDI Ringing ASL22 General Discussion Syncronization issues and can't find games [ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group D [ASL22] Ro16 Group C KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Post Your Watch!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8558 users

Evil Geniuses-Liquid retrospective with TLO - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
64 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
March 14 2017 18:18 GMT
#21
On March 15 2017 00:54 bduddy wrote:
The thing is I think EG could have done so much more for SC2 if they had used their resources and their image the right way, but... they really didn't.


Like hosting a team league ?
Allowing most of the top foreigners to actually being able to live off the game ?
Advertising the shit out of everyone and make them look cool ?
Sending their players all around the world, and allowing them to stay in Korea if necessary ?
Playing in proleague ?


Yeah I wish EG actually cared about the game ....

The only team that have done as much/more than EG is TL, Axiom and Acer
INnoVation is the absolute best | I wept for i knew his words to be true
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
March 14 2017 18:30 GMT
#22
Everybody knew IdrA is super BM, etc. Online I thought he’s just a douchebag, and then you meet him in real life and he’s actually kinda funny—he’s still kinda edgy but, like I appreciated him as a person. Even though he’s still gonna keep insulting me online, probably… he’s like the one person that could continue BM’ing me online but I could still respect him a lot as a person and understand that this is just IdrA, and Greg is somebody different.

I think it’s very unique because there are other players who are nicer in real life and continue being assholes online, and I never forgave them the same way I could forgive Greg. It was just like you could easily separate IdrA and Greg—you just treat them as two completely separate entities. And Machine was super nice; iNcontrol a super nice guy.


It's almost like BM and nerd-rage don't actually reflect a person's real world personality.
alukarD
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-14 18:37:44
March 14 2017 18:33 GMT
#23
I liked those days, the teams where amazing! Everybody had their thing going on for them, their ups and downs, their story lines, their personalities.

Early days (2010-2011): Liquid had their household names, HayprO, NonY, Jinro, TLO, Ret, and HuK. Some of them had been one of the greatest in BW, the others were up and comers showing great potential. They had experience and wisdom in one hand, and youngsters and raw ability in the other. What's not to like. Hard to root against.
Evil Geniuses had their respectable squad, with iNcontroL, Machine, and IdrA as their notables. They also had others players, such as Axslav, StrifeCro, and DeMusliM, who was pretty much unknown by most people back then. Everybody respected iNcontroL and Machine as the great players they were, but everybody knew IdrA was their player to beat.
Mousesports was one of the better teams at the moment, not drawing as much attention as EG and Liquid, but beating them equally, and every other team pretty much. Their lineup was rock solid and deadly, with MorroW, HasuObs, MaNa, and a little bit later on, ThorZaIN. No weak link really.
ROOT was around the block, with their american lineup of qxc, KiWiKaKi, Drewbie, SLush, and CatZ, and so was Fnatic, with their international lineup of TT1, Fenix, and Sen.

Prime days (2012-2013): Liquid had major roster changes, and for most teams that's normal, the bread of everyday, but for Liquid was like saying goodbye to family members. HayprO, NonY, and Jinro, went into either retirement or inactivity, and HuK, which was their most valuable player at the moment due to its amazing results, was signed by EG. Against adversity, Liquid signed four new players, three Koreans and one american: Taeja, HerO, Zenio,& Sheth. These were excitement news because foreign teams started picking up Koreans, but people were wondering why Liquid chose to sign THOSE Koreans, who were no-names by the bast majority. Liquid saw in them potential and passion, and as fate would've hoped, they went from zero to hero. Now Liquid had a roster made of four strong solid zergs in TLO, Ret, Sheth, and Zenio, and two super weapons, in HerO and Taeja.
Evil Geniuses had a radical transformation of its own. IdrA was on a decline, and they couldn't depend just on their remaining players. They had money, so they used it. EG signed HuK, which was probably the biggest pickup ever due to its context. They also picked up Suppy, a talented american zerg player. But that wasn't enough, they also brought the big guns, signing the Koreans PuMa and JYP. PuMa really made a living during his time in EG, winning most of the tournaments he entered. EG, instead of settling, they went out for more, and signed the superstar of Stephano, the amazing spoon terran ThorZaIn, and a few months later, the Koreans Revival and Jaedong, the tyrant. Finally, they also signed aLive and Oz, more Koreans. So at one point, EG's roster consisted of HuK, Stephano, ThorZaIN, JYP, Jaedong, Revival, aLive, and Oz (PuMa wasn't on EG anymore when aLive and Oz were signed). This wasn't even fair for the other foreign teams. EG was scary.
Mousesports still had an amazing core in MaNa, HasuObs, and HeRoMaRinE, who was a talented up and comer terran german players, but they needed more, so they brought in the Duran spanish brothers, VortiX and LucifroN, who quickly became two of the best foreigners at the time. Not wanting to stay behind the competition, they also signed one of the hottest names in Korea, Dear. Nobody wanted to face Mouz in a team league. Mouz was looking good.
Fnatic also revamped their roster big time, releasing all their previous players, and signing NightEnD, ToD, Harstem, and SaSe as their international players, and Rain (terran), Moon, ByuL, aLive, and Oz (before EG signed them) as their Korean squad. Everybody wanted to compete at the highest level.
A team that came out of nowhere, but came to stay, was Team Acer. They boasted the superb lineup of Scarlett, Nerchio, Bly, MMA, and INnoVation. Contrary to some teams that are composed of great house names but never really perform (could be argued for EG), Team Acer destroyed most of the team leagues they entered, and their players solo careers did not disappoint.
Millenium was a threat of its own with ForGG, Feast, Dayshi, MarineLorD, and Goswser, and ROOT as always, with amazing players such as ViBE, puCK, Minigun, YuGiOh, State, and SuperNova, to name some of their huge lineup of players.

Modern era (2014-Now): Slowly but surely, the scene has shrank, with only few teams left, such as Liquid and ROOT, and pretty much no team leagues whatsoever. So yeah, that makes me a little sad. But I just wanted to reflect on what the scene used to look like. Exciting days. Hoping for the best. Lets just wait and see, what comes next for SC2.

Disclaimer: Do not take too seriously the dates or years utilized, they are not exact.
All of this is my point of view, and this is around the time I just learned about the scene.
Die Trying
Lappen.464
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany42 Posts
March 14 2017 18:41 GMT
#24
No Word of Puma and the amazing storyline against Hero?
This was my favorite time.

aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
March 14 2017 19:20 GMT
#25
eg carried this game for a long time tbh. pity they are gone.
can i get my estro logo back pls
MattRz
Profile Joined April 2011
Chile1680 Posts
March 14 2017 19:23 GMT
#26
Great Interview!

Thx a lot.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake ♞
KaiserCommander
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico290 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-14 20:29:19
March 14 2017 20:28 GMT
#27
Reading this made me really feel those days, thank you.
Jinro, Polt, Bomber, ForGG, MajOr, Flash, Maru. Terran Fighting...
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
March 14 2017 22:13 GMT
#28
Nice try wax, putting a photo of daniel bryan instead of tlo
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 14 2017 22:47 GMT
#29
Very good interview with pretty interesting insights, bringing back sweet memories. Thanks !
Kerence
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1817 Posts
March 14 2017 22:47 GMT
#30
Really interesting interview, I love these "behind the scenes"-things. Thanks for this.
I am here in the shadows.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 15 2017 00:17 GMT
#31
Ah man this makes me miss sc2 back in the day.
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
March 15 2017 01:40 GMT
#32
I love shit like this. A great read.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/proxywolf
TL+ Member
Spyridon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States997 Posts
March 15 2017 01:46 GMT
#33
On March 15 2017 00:54 bduddy wrote:
The thing is I think EG could have done so much more for SC2 if they had used their resources and their image the right way, but... they really didn't.


I wouldn't put that as fault of EG (or any team). You can replace EG with Blizzard and the comment would be more valid, especially when it comes to Blizzard supporting pro teams.
bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
March 15 2017 02:04 GMT
#34
Great interview really brings me back to those wild, younger days
https://soundcloud.com/bbols
ploguidice
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States233 Posts
March 15 2017 03:55 GMT
#35
TLO has always struck me as one of the most well spoken StarCraft players. If he wants to stay in gaming after his SC2 career winds down I could totally see him working in a community liaison position for nearly any game.
I'm Joe
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46424 Posts
March 15 2017 04:12 GMT
#36
Great interview! I'm surprised at how bitter and cynical TLO felt in the beginning, calling a well-established team that could actually pay its players a salary "a sellout". Especially with all its sponsorships (just like TL), EG did a great job of hyping up e-sports and the SC2 scene and progaming in general.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46424 Posts
March 15 2017 04:14 GMT
#37
On March 15 2017 03:18 Philozovic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2017 00:54 bduddy wrote:
The thing is I think EG could have done so much more for SC2 if they had used their resources and their image the right way, but... they really didn't.


Like hosting a team league ?
Allowing most of the top foreigners to actually being able to live off the game ?
Advertising the shit out of everyone and make them look cool ?
Sending their players all around the world, and allowing them to stay in Korea if necessary ?
Playing in proleague ?


Yeah I wish EG actually cared about the game ....

The only team that have done as much/more than EG is TL, Axiom and Acer


Agreed. EG has done a ton for the progaming scene, StarCraft included. Both EG and TL have done great jobs.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
OveRtheStarS
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada69 Posts
March 15 2017 06:23 GMT
#38
This is one of the best interviews I've read in a long time. SC2 needs more soul like this, now more than ever.

Thanks for doing this, TLO.
If everyone loves you, you're not doing it right.
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
March 15 2017 07:03 GMT
#39
Pretty good read. More content like this would be awesome.
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
equalheights
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia30 Posts
March 15 2017 07:40 GMT
#40
Aahhhhh man reading this took me back. Great interview, nice work everyone.
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 55m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech178
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 2686
Rain 1117
GuemChi 616
Aegong 37
NaDa 36
Noble 18
Icarus 14
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
Britney 0
League of Legends
JimRising 612
Other Games
summit1g10737
WinterStarcraft520
Happy506
ceh9397
Mew2King226
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick782
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH367
• Letter144
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2263
League of Legends
• Rush1507
• Stunt451
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3h 55m
Cure vs SHIN
herO vs Solar
Percival vs Classic
ByuN vs Rogue
OSC
14h 55m
Replay Cast
16h 55m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL
3 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
3 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Shine vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Light vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.