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Regardless of the situation, we will still action upon "dead game" comments. As this is a sensitive issue for SC2 fans, please do not come into this thread and talk about SC2 players switching over to BW. This thread is also not about bashing Blizzard, David Kim, or the WCS system. |
On October 19 2016 01:23 jinjin5000 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 01:01 MaCRo.gg wrote:
Why aren't we allowed to discuss Welfare Champion Series? How did that decision not have a profound impact on this KeSPA decision? Why must Liquid be pro Welfare regardless of the damage it does to SC2? Because it didn't that much Do you not understand that KOREAN sponsors looking for KOREAN audience to advertise to have little interest in global advertisement if they don't have any global presence/assets? Sc2 interest was dwindling with all the new more popular releases. Hell, BW has more than 3 times the player than sc2 even now. Bw has more viewers on afreeca than sc2 will dream of. Sc2 never hit top 15. Bw consistently is top 5 pc bang behind overwatch, league, fifa online 3 (FO3 being casual b8) Combine that with matchfixing scandal and very low vieweeship, it makes absolutely 0 sense to continue on. Probably with matchfixing scandal, kespa teams decided to be done for good Welfare league only affects those who are looking to make extra bucks. The individuals. Do you not realize this? Stop the shitposting.
It would be actually nice if people would listen to what koreans want.
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I enjoyed proleague most out of all the tournaments. I loved that there was a strategy to the way players were fielded and what matches they prepared for. I always felt that the games had the most variety due to sniping builds and the extreme pressure of letting a team down as well as the use of the two different formats.
I'm just gutted really.
Expect a serious wave of retirements now and after Blizzcon I guess.
A sad day.
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On October 19 2016 02:24 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 02:22 Cyanocyst wrote:On October 18 2016 23:49 FlyingSteaks wrote:To be honest this may be the nail in the coffin for me to stop following SC2, so sad  , unfortunately I never cared for the foreign scene and still don't feel like doing it Completely understandable. This is my thought as well. I don't understand watching tournaments of things that don't choose the best of the best. Its why i can't get in to college sports. Who care who wins this NCAA championship, if that team would get their teeth kicked in by the 76ers. But oddly i suppose, the foreign scene might actually be able to catch up and become the best in the world. GSL and SSL (maybe) still exist, though. Things like OlimoLeague are running as well.
Sure but which of the players you care for will actually play in these things? What will be the lvl of play?
With teams disbanding there is no stable future, i am sure they could create own teams but without any sponsors it's basically a joke.
JinAir apparently is still there and Afreeca, but how long can they really sponsor sc2 teams in a scene without any opportunities really. We will see...
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On October 19 2016 02:21 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 02:10 eviltomahawk wrote:
What's this about? herO retired?
I'd assume so, the translation (according to google) is "This also" so contextually it makes sense that this bad news is the "also" to Proleague disappearing
herO switching to Overwatch wouldn't surprise me at this point tbh.
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On October 19 2016 02:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 02:24 KeksX wrote:On October 19 2016 02:22 Cyanocyst wrote:On October 18 2016 23:49 FlyingSteaks wrote:To be honest this may be the nail in the coffin for me to stop following SC2, so sad , unfortunately I never cared for the foreign scene and still don't feel like doing it Completely understandable. This is my thought as well. I don't understand watching tournaments of things that don't choose the best of the best. Its why i can't get in to college sports. Who care who wins this NCAA championship, if that team would get their teeth kicked in by the 76ers. But oddly i suppose, the foreign scene might actually be able to catch up and become the best in the world. GSL and SSL (maybe) still exist, though. Things like OlimoLeague are running as well. Sure but which of the players you care for will actually play in these things? What will be the lvl of play? With teams disbanding there is no stable future, i am sure they could create own teams but without any sponsors it's basically a joke. JinAir apparently is still there and Afreeca, but how long can they really sponsor sc2 teams in a scene without any opportunities really. We will see...
Do you not watch BW because there is no Proleague anymore, though?
It *can* work. Not saying it will work 100%, but there is a chance.
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On October 19 2016 02:21 chipmonklord17 wrote:I'd assume so, the translation (according to google) is "This also" so contextually it makes sense that this bad news is the "also" to Proleague disappearing
Well your assumption is your assumption, there is no info about herO as of now, contextually it's another Proleague-related picture Kenzi was uploading on his twitter
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"I can't wait until BW finally dies so all of its best players will switch over to SC2!"
5 years later
"As this is a sensitive issue for SC2 fans, please do not come into this thread and talk about SC2 players switching over to BW."
What a time to be alive. As a bygone BW diehard, while there may be a little schadenfreude, there's also empathy. I felt devastated in the wake of BW's tribulations, so this must not feel much better. Sorry, SC2 fans. Hold on to what you have and hang in there.
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On October 19 2016 02:33 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote:
"I can't wait until BW finally dies so all of its best players will switch over to SC2!"
5 years later
"As this is a sensitive issue for SC2 fans, please do not come into this thread and talk about SC2 players switching over to BW."
What a time to be alive. As a bygone BW diehard, while there may be a little schadenfreude, there's also empathy. I felt devastated in the wake of BW's tribulations, so this must not feel much better. Sorry, SC2 fans. Hold on to what you have and hang in there.
You realize that many SC2 fans were/are BW fans?
I care for both games and so do many people on here.
Fuck anyone that shit(s) on either BW or SC2 during these times. Both are great games with a great history, both games deserve a spot in the scene.
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sad sad news. but as long as there's high level sc2 to watch, ill be there!
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On October 19 2016 02:31 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 02:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 19 2016 02:24 KeksX wrote:On October 19 2016 02:22 Cyanocyst wrote:On October 18 2016 23:49 FlyingSteaks wrote:To be honest this may be the nail in the coffin for me to stop following SC2, so sad , unfortunately I never cared for the foreign scene and still don't feel like doing it Completely understandable. This is my thought as well. I don't understand watching tournaments of things that don't choose the best of the best. Its why i can't get in to college sports. Who care who wins this NCAA championship, if that team would get their teeth kicked in by the 76ers. But oddly i suppose, the foreign scene might actually be able to catch up and become the best in the world. GSL and SSL (maybe) still exist, though. Things like OlimoLeague are running as well. Sure but which of the players you care for will actually play in these things? What will be the lvl of play? With teams disbanding there is no stable future, i am sure they could create own teams but without any sponsors it's basically a joke. JinAir apparently is still there and Afreeca, but how long can they really sponsor sc2 teams in a scene without any opportunities really. We will see... Do you not watch BW because there is no Proleague anymore, though? It *can* work. Not saying it will work 100%, but there is a chance.
I actually started watching BW when there was no OSL/MSL/SPL anymore :D
This situation is unique for me now, while i like sc2 i mostly liked the competition tbh (and then obviously the players). Not sure what will happen now
On October 19 2016 02:31 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 02:21 chipmonklord17 wrote:I'd assume so, the translation (according to google) is "This also" so contextually it makes sense that this bad news is the "also" to Proleague disappearing herO switching to Overwatch wouldn't surprise me at this point tbh.
Do we know how good he is?
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I will always remember the best years (2003-2010).
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On October 18 2016 11:21 BisuDagger wrote:
SC1 lost proleague and is more exciting then ever. It's up to the dedicated SC2 fans to keep it going.
I want to see a grassroots Wings of Liberty league with its own funded prize pool. I prefer the game as it was back in WoL and I feel like Blizzard progressively screwed up SC2 in the later two expansions.
I also feel like minor balance tweaks (i.e. Queen range nerf, Siege Tank buffs) or a stream of new community maps would help balance out WoL.
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On October 19 2016 01:23 jinjin5000 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 01:01 MaCRo.gg wrote:
Why aren't we allowed to discuss Welfare Champion Series? How did that decision not have a profound impact on this KeSPA decision? Why must Liquid be pro Welfare regardless of the damage it does to SC2? Because it didn't that much Do you not understand that KOREAN sponsors looking for KOREAN audience to advertise to have little interest in global advertisement if they don't have any global presence/assets? Sc2 interest was dwindling with all the new more popular releases. Hell, BW has more than 3 times the player than sc2 even now. Bw has more viewers on afreeca than sc2 will dream of. Sc2 never hit top 15. Bw consistently is top 5 pc bang behind overwatch, league, fifa online 3 (FO3 being casual b8) Combine that with matchfixing scandal and very low vieweeship, it makes absolutely 0 sense to continue on. Probably with matchfixing scandal, kespa teams decided to be done for good Welfare league only affects those who are looking to make extra bucks. The individuals. Do you not realize this? Stop the shitposting.
ROFL
Banning Korean players from participating in ANYTHING outside of Korea wasn't a factor in KeSPA dropping SC2?
Welfare killing viewership had no effect on the Korean scene?
Forcing early Korean player retirements of many fan favorites had NO EFFECT?
No doubt SC2 was dying and Korean interest in SC2 practically dead, but clearly xenophobia had a factor in killing Proleague.
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I'm Seriously speachless, been watching sc2 since the beta - Remember when TLO made 24h stream for doctors without borders? It was sunday, he logged into stream and there were over 2000 people watching - I Remember he was so surprised - "so many of you already"? he said... omg i miss this time but i think the game is very enjoyable to watch now.
I really hope sc2 will not go away, my true esport passion and watched every gsl excluding the first, whitch Fruitdealer won...
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To all people bashing sc2 all over- and yet you are still here. You were watching tournaments, stream, followed players, teames, leagues and dramas for past 6 years. So it's not like sc2 was pointless compared to BW. SC2 troubles are not because it's bad game. BW had its own issues but lasted longer and they had more time to solve it. BW was popular in different esport enviroment than today'. And also it was only popular in Korea in its last years- was dead on foreign scene. As i said sc2 troubles are not because its bad game, because of Blizzard and other shit. It has troubles because RTS is fading genre of games. I've been there. Played my hands off in Unreal Tournament but fps arena died and all that was left was Counter Strike which i never could tolerate. All that we witness is a part of a cycle. One day ppl will want something more challenging that MOBA and RTS will come back. Concidering all that i just wrote- i don't think its the end of sc2. This all is not the end of days but the new beginning. Sc2 scene will change but not die.
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On October 19 2016 02:33 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote:
"I can't wait until BW finally dies so all of its best players will switch over to SC2!"
5 years later
"As this is a sensitive issue for SC2 fans, please do not come into this thread and talk about SC2 players switching over to BW."
What a time to be alive. As a bygone BW diehard, while there may be a little schadenfreude, there's also empathy. I felt devastated in the wake of BW's tribulations, so this must not feel much better. Sorry, SC2 fans. Hold on to what you have and hang in there.
Yes, it has been the MOD attitude in TL for a long time, so dont be surprised.
User was warned for this post
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On October 19 2016 02:39 MaCRo.gg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 01:23 jinjin5000 wrote:On October 19 2016 01:01 MaCRo.gg wrote:
Why aren't we allowed to discuss Welfare Champion Series? How did that decision not have a profound impact on this KeSPA decision? Why must Liquid be pro Welfare regardless of the damage it does to SC2? Because it didn't that much Do you not understand that KOREAN sponsors looking for KOREAN audience to advertise to have little interest in global advertisement if they don't have any global presence/assets? Sc2 interest was dwindling with all the new more popular releases. Hell, BW has more than 3 times the player than sc2 even now. Bw has more viewers on afreeca than sc2 will dream of. Sc2 never hit top 15. Bw consistently is top 5 pc bang behind overwatch, league, fifa online 3 (FO3 being casual b8) Combine that with matchfixing scandal and very low vieweeship, it makes absolutely 0 sense to continue on. Probably with matchfixing scandal, kespa teams decided to be done for good Welfare league only affects those who are looking to make extra bucks. The individuals. Do you not realize this? Stop the shitposting. ROFL Banning Korean players from participating in ANYTHING outside of Korea wasn't a factor in KeSPA dropping SC2? Welfare killing international viewership of Korean league had no effect on the Korean scene? Forcing early Korean player retirements of many fan favorites had NO EFFECT? No doubt SC2 was dying and Korean interest in SC2 practically dead, but clearly xenophobia had a factor in killing Proleague.
I'm not sure if you read the news, but KeSPA isn't dropping SC2 (they mentioned expanding KeSPA Cup and keeping support for the players in the future), but Proleague
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On October 19 2016 01:10 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2016 21:30 FFW_Rude wrote:On October 18 2016 20:07 letian wrote:On October 18 2016 19:48 Glioburd wrote:On October 18 2016 19:43 letian wrote:It appears SC2 Proleague is coming to an end. The league ran from 2005-2016. Why did you include BW Proleague and call it a "league"? Because it was a league. On October 18 2016 19:43 letian wrote:
This is not correct since BW PL ended long ago and has nothing to do with SC2 PL. The common point between BW PL and SC2 PL is : the proleague. Should we include other sport leagues as well, because they are leagues? The common point between SC2 PL and SMITE league is: the proleague. Clearly, both games share the same universe and progamers to some extend but that's it. No, this looks like an attempt to drag BW into this and I don't like it, because SC2 was the reason why BW PL ended. Brood War SPL Hybrid SPL YES IT HAPPENED ! SC2 SPL. Like the Proleague is THE ONLY league that didn't get discontinued... It's the only league that got a transition. A bad one but hey. but hey, you got a game that nobody wants to play anymore and also you got another game whose scene could be alive and kicking.
Oh i have nothing against BW. I still watch it but i was just calling you out on what you said. Like it or not this is the same league.
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On October 18 2016 19:33 lichter wrote:
since proleague is done i guess there's no harm in saying that i was actually in discussion with kespa last year about creating an improved FPL with their help, which would also allow korean fans to play and compete with fans on TL. would have been great to bridge the gap between the two sets of fans. they were really excited about it and they really wanted to make it a big part of the proleague experience, which shows that kespa really did try to keep proleague going and were still searching for ways to improve it. unfortunately when the matchfixing scandals hit that pretty much nixed the deal completely.
In my opinion those matchfixing scandals are actually the nr 1 reason for Proleague's end. Big companies cannot assume the risk to be involved in those.
Forever shame on those players, they've killed my beloved KR SC2 scene.
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On October 18 2016 19:43 letian wrote:Show nested quote +It appears SC2 Proleague is coming to an end. The league ran from 2005-2016. Why did you include BW Proleague and call it a "league"? This is not correct since BW PL ended long ago and has nothing to do with SC2 PL. I feel angry since this is an attempt on making the subject more important than it is.
It has always been the same league. Same players, same teams, same organization, brother games, ... just read the OP.
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