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Regardless of the situation, we will still action upon "dead game" comments. As this is a sensitive issue for SC2 fans, please do not come into this thread and talk about SC2 players switching over to BW. This thread is also not about bashing Blizzard, David Kim, or the WCS system. |
On October 19 2016 01:08 Arnstein wrote:
Now that the initial shock is over, I start to feel a bitterness towards Blizzard. The way they have fucked up is a bit annoying and to be honest it is quite hard to believe. The features of patch 3.7 should have been released years ago. They never listened to the community. And on top of that, they worked hard to kill the korean BW scene so that everybody would play SC2.
pack voice would have done nothing to prevent starcraft 2 getting overthrown by moba and team based competitive games
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Well, I do believe this is the end of me following SC2.
Had some great times between 2010 and 2016.
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On October 19 2016 01:31 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 01:23 Penev wrote:
I wonder where we'd be now if Blizzard cooperated with KeSPA in 2010 instead of going with their aggressive approach. As game developers they did everything correct. Maximized the value between investment and revenue.
Only short term (not even sure about that), they damaged one of their brands even I'd say
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On October 19 2016 01:23 jinjin5000 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 01:01 MaCRo.gg wrote:
Why aren't we allowed to discuss Welfare Champion Series? How did that decision not have a profound impact on this KeSPA decision? Why must Liquid be pro Welfare regardless of the damage it does to SC2? Because it didn't that much Do you not understand that KOREAN sponsors looking for KOREAN audience to advertise to have little interest in global advertisement if they don't have any global presence/assets? Sc2 interest was dwindling with all the new more popular releases. Hell, BW has more than 3 times the player than sc2 even now. Bw has more viewers on afreeca than sc2 will dream of. Sc2 never hit top 15. Bw consistently is top 5 pc bang behind overwatch, league, fifa online 3 (FO3 being casual b8) Combine that with matchfixing scandal and very low vieweeship, it makes absolutely 0 sense to continue on. Probably with matchfixing scandal, kespa teams decided to be done for good Welfare league only affects those who are looking to make extra bucks. The individuals. Do you not realize this? Stop the shitposting.
this guy said it all
its hard to say why but sc2 is just not as watchable as BW, even though its newer and shinier
i for one think the WoL before BL/fest era was the best sc2 ever had, not because of viewership, but the best games happened then. i dont think HotS did anything for the game, which should be a huge warning sign. LotV tried some new things, but again there a major rework is coming soon.
there is something about BW that is timeless, you can get hour long positional chess games and 15 min super scrappy games. for some reason sc2 lacks the magic. you think koreans are just stupid or stubborn to switch? no way, if sc2 was better than sc1, which it should be, then they would have all switched 5 years ago.
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On October 19 2016 01:23 hitthat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 00:50 Cashling wrote:
what the fuck am i supposed to do now ? Wait for StarCraft 3. Life must continue. There is many good games to watch, like Counter Strike, DotA2, LoL, Overwatch... + Show Spoiler + yes, that's sarcasm. A cruel one. I remember reading the same in BW PL threads when it was collapsing.
There is no reason to believe Blizzard will make SC3. I hope to be very wrong though.
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On October 19 2016 01:55 shadymmj wrote:
there is something about BW that is timeless, you can get hour long positional chess games and 15 min super scrappy games. for some reason sc2 lacks the magic. you think koreans are just stupid or stubborn to switch? no way, if sc2 was better than sc1, which it should be, then they would have all switched 5 years ago.
damn right, and me as well, and many RTS fans
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On October 19 2016 01:49 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 01:08 Arnstein wrote:
Now that the initial shock is over, I start to feel a bitterness towards Blizzard. The way they have fucked up is a bit annoying and to be honest it is quite hard to believe. The features of patch 3.7 should have been released years ago. They never listened to the community. And on top of that, they worked hard to kill the korean BW scene so that everybody would play SC2. pack voice would have done nothing to prevent starcraft 2 getting overthrown by moba and team based competitive games
Yeah, that was the feature of patch 3.7 that I was talking about...
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soO and INnoVation will stream SC2 soon on Afreeca TV confirmed.
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On October 19 2016 02:00 ProMeTheus112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 01:55 shadymmj wrote:
there is something about BW that is timeless, you can get hour long positional chess games and 15 min super scrappy games. for some reason sc2 lacks the magic. you think koreans are just stupid or stubborn to switch? no way, if sc2 was better than sc1, which it should be, then they would have all switched 5 years ago. damn right, and me as well, and many RTS fans
The apologists already came up with the reason for the switch never happening: nostalgia!!!
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On October 19 2016 01:55 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2016 01:23 jinjin5000 wrote:On October 19 2016 01:01 MaCRo.gg wrote:
Why aren't we allowed to discuss Welfare Champion Series? How did that decision not have a profound impact on this KeSPA decision? Why must Liquid be pro Welfare regardless of the damage it does to SC2? Because it didn't that much Do you not understand that KOREAN sponsors looking for KOREAN audience to advertise to have little interest in global advertisement if they don't have any global presence/assets? Sc2 interest was dwindling with all the new more popular releases. Hell, BW has more than 3 times the player than sc2 even now. Bw has more viewers on afreeca than sc2 will dream of. Sc2 never hit top 15. Bw consistently is top 5 pc bang behind overwatch, league, fifa online 3 (FO3 being casual b8) Combine that with matchfixing scandal and very low vieweeship, it makes absolutely 0 sense to continue on. Probably with matchfixing scandal, kespa teams decided to be done for good Welfare league only affects those who are looking to make extra bucks. The individuals. Do you not realize this? Stop the shitposting. this guy said it all its hard to say why but sc2 is just not as watchable as BW, even though its newer and shinier i for one think the WoL before BL/fest era was the best sc2 ever had, not because of viewership, but the best games happened then. i dont think HotS did anything for the game, which should be a huge warning sign. LotV tried some new things, but again there a major rework is coming soon. there is something about BW that is timeless, you can get hour long positional chess games and 15 min super scrappy games. for some reason sc2 lacks the magic. you think koreans are just stupid or stubborn to switch? no way, if sc2 was better than sc1, which it should be, then they would have all switched 5 years ago.
Is it controversial to say that SCBW wouldn't have been as succesful if it released in 2010/3?
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2010 or 2013 would have been a different gaming world if SCBW had not been released in 98^^
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On October 19 2016 02:07 ProMeTheus112 wrote:
2010 or 2013 would have been a different gaming world if SCBW had not been released in 98^^
Well yes obviously it doesn't work out exactly, but the point is still there.
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I haven't posted anything in about two years or so, lost interest in the game mainly, favourite players retired or declined, but I still felt like I was part of a community, that I could come back and enjoy the new storylines and the tournaments. This though feels like one of those moments when you acknowledge that something big is happening and things are never going to be the same again. I was not a progleague guy. I always liked gsl and the foreign scene more, but undeniably the single most important structure for the korean scene is just gone. It feels like the game, in this current state, with these premises, won't really recover. And it's such a shame. I don't even play sc2 anymore, and yet now it comes to my mind that I had fun doing it - I had so much fun following the streamers, learning the games from Huskystarcraft first, Day9 then, cheering for my favourites and commenting the games here on teamliquid. Because in the end, it was a matter of having fun and having a nice time much more than it was about actually liking the experience of the ladder match, even though this could arguably be the cause of its downfall. It was fun, it was a lot of laughters, and though I can understand the loss of interest in the game, I still believe that the scene deserved more, and maybe, if we are lucky, better times will come.
Sorry for the quality of the post, my phone keeps trying to select stuff and mess with me
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What's this about? herO retired?
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At least there are countless vods online I can watch over and over again.
The memories will never be forgotten.
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On October 19 2016 01:29 disciple wrote:
People are throwing blame around, but imho sc2 had pretty good run in korea considering all circumstances. While much has been said on the interest from the general public and sponsors I think its important to point out that the peak of korean sc2 and even the game in general happened during the wild west of streaming and more than anything this was the crucial bottleneck preventing the scene from becoming as big as it could've been, even if the game was released probably just 1 year later it would've been a much different story. People forget anything above 360p was behind a paywall, its incomparable with now that stream quality is not even a topic of discussion.
THIS^, this^ and once more, this^.
Oh welp, goodbye ProLeague, good bye Korean SC2.
We will maybe see us again when WC4 is released.
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I'd assume so, the translation (according to google) is "This also" so contextually it makes sense that this bad news is the "also" to Proleague disappearing
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On October 18 2016 23:49 FlyingSteaks wrote:To be honest this may be the nail in the coffin for me to stop following SC2, so sad  , unfortunately I never cared for the foreign scene and still don't feel like doing it
Completely understandable. This is my thought as well. I don't understand watching tournaments of things that don't choose the best of the best.
Its why i can't get in to college sports. Who care who wins this NCAA championship, if that team would get their teeth kicked in by the 76ers.
But oddly i suppose, the foreign scene might actually be able to catch up and become the best in the world.
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On October 19 2016 02:22 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2016 23:49 FlyingSteaks wrote:To be honest this may be the nail in the coffin for me to stop following SC2, so sad , unfortunately I never cared for the foreign scene and still don't feel like doing it Completely understandable. This is my thought as well. I don't understand watching tournaments of things that don't choose the best of the best. Its why i can't get in to college sports. Who care who wins this NCAA championship, if that team would get their teeth kicked in by the 76ers. But oddly i suppose, the foreign scene might actually be able to catch up and become the best in the world.
GSL and SSL (maybe) still exist, though. Things like OlimoLeague are running as well.
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On October 19 2016 02:22 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2016 23:49 FlyingSteaks wrote:To be honest this may be the nail in the coffin for me to stop following SC2, so sad , unfortunately I never cared for the foreign scene and still don't feel like doing it Completely understandable. This is my thought as well. I don't understand watching tournaments of things that don't choose the best of the best. Its why i can't get in to college sports. Who care who wins this NCAA championship, if that team would get their teeth kicked in by the 76ers. But oddly i suppose, the foreign scene might actually be able to catch up and become the best in the world.
Words right out of my mouth good sir
Why the hell would I watch College Football when even the Jaguars would curb stomp the best college teams?
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