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Nerchio: "I`ll change the perception of foreigners."

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Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 02:38:40
September 26 2016 17:53 GMT
#1
http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=164365&iskin=esports&game=675

It is well known fact that SC2 is a playground of Koreans. When a non-Korean progamer got a single set from Korean opponent, non-Korean fans acclaim and rave as if the foreign player won the tournament. Like this, winning against Korean player isn't something that happens just normally.

However, well, this time is different. We have three foreign players for 2016 KeSPA Cup; Neeb, MrineLorD and Nerchio. Especially, people around Nerchio put high expectation on him, because he's one of the best European Zerg,

There's a reason for this phenomenon; In a online tournament that held in few weeks ago, Nechio won 6 named Koreans in a row and achieved 8 consecutive wins. Moreover, Nerchio showed his self-confidence, saying he can have a match with Korean players.

Q. I heard it's your first visit to Korea. I want to hear your feelings and self-introduction.

My nickname is Nerchio, and I have been playing SC2 pro scene for 6 years.
At first, It was just a diversion. However, as my skills improved, I had fun and started my career.

My first impression about Korea is fine; I've visited China 3 times and that's my only experience of Asian countries. Frankly, I do not have any good memories because of food. However, Korea looks like a bit more westernised and that's satisfying. I'm expecting some Korean cuisine too.


Q. Back in times, Stephano and Vortix was considered the best foreign Zerg players. Now people count Scarlett, Nerchio and Snute . Any opinion?

Agree. But I'd like to count Elazer too. He`s a polish Zerg player and he's quite good. Anyway, I can say me and Snute is the best in EU; we have careers and practice a lot. Sometime we suffer slump, but everyone has highs and lows.


Q. Who are your foreign friends among progamers?

Elazer, because he's polish and we both play Zerg. Sometimes we have a discussion about strategy things. However, I'm not on friendly terms with him, nor any other players. Maybe it is because I regard other players as competitors.


Q. Do you see Korean leagues often?

I watch most Zerg plays if possible in order to get Korean players' trend and builds. I`m trying to learn everything I can.


Q. You brought a sensation by beating ByuN, Maru, Creator, MyungSik and Rogue and achieved 8 consecutive wins.

Not even I expected that I'd hit a winning streak that much. At first I thought I could got Byun for one time; but as the winning streak continues, I became confident and lost my fear against Korean players.


Q. You said you couldn't find any Zerg player but you who could win KeSPA Cup. That's quite badass.

I changed my mind after watching Crossfinals (laugh). I knew Solar was good, but didn't know Solar was that good. Well, He was soooo good. If Zerg wins the tournament, It'll be rather Solar than me.


Q. What is the biggest difference between Korean and foreign Zerg?

Koreans definitely have better physical abilities. However I think foreign zerg players are more creative. In early days of LotV, Korean Zerg seemed weak; maybe it was because Korean Terran players were strong. However, Zerg players lost against Terran players all the same time. Since then, I stopped copying them and created my own style. It seems Korean Zerg players overtook meta now.


Q. Tell me your best players per race.

Dark is the best Zerg. Mvp is absolutely the best Terran in WoL. Though Maru is good, but his career does not say so. Since every Korean Protoss is strong, I cannot say a particular name.


Q. You're in Group D with Maru, Patience and Classic. People say it is the group of death; who do you expect most?

Actually, I wanted to face Zerg because I've played ZvZ a lot. It seems hard because there're two Protoss in the group. I've won against Maru but I cannot guarantee victory if I face him again.


Q. Any words?

I had bad results every time when I played in China. That burdens me, because the perception toward foreigners would be strengthen if I fail again. However, I'll change that perception through getting good results.
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Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
September 26 2016 17:55 GMT
#2
WTF I finished rendering
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
September 26 2016 17:55 GMT
#3
Lets the thrash talk continue!
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Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2626 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-26 17:55:58
September 26 2016 17:55 GMT
#4
Godchio is so amazing he starts talking in korean in the middle of the interview.
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
September 26 2016 17:59 GMT
#5
Well, that ended unexpectedly.
Zidaneix142
Profile Joined March 2016
29 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-26 18:00:26
September 26 2016 17:59 GMT
#6
"However, I'm not on friendly terms with him, nor any other players. Maybe it is because I regard other players as competitors"

Absolutely savage (in a good way)
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 26 2016 18:03 GMT
#7
The evolution of Nerchio's opinion on Korean zergs is interesting. Or it would be if we could read it.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-26 18:20:50
September 26 2016 18:12 GMT
#8
Nerchio already learned Korean, he is a genius!

Thanks for those translations Thouhastmail, I love all this hype .

Edit: But seriously, I need the rest please, I'm refreshing this page so hard.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
September 26 2016 18:21 GMT
#9
half of the interview was not translated in order to not trigger people
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-26 18:27:32
September 26 2016 18:27 GMT
#10
O_O Nerchio wanted to face zerg?! And Nerchio being very modest, how disappointing.
BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
September 26 2016 18:48 GMT
#11
tbh I love how much game Nerchio talks. Plus he's got the prestiege to back it up a bit
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-26 18:55:08
September 26 2016 18:51 GMT
#12
nvm. I got it
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia237 Posts
September 26 2016 19:12 GMT
#13
good luck Nerchio! we love you
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-26 19:35:37
September 26 2016 19:34 GMT
#14
HAHAHA Nerchio be saying he wants to face Korean Zergs now after the group comes out with no Zergs. He'd have no chance with ZvZ beign his worst matchup. Some will say he has no chance anyway, to be fair if got the group with Pet and herO I'd be confident in him getting ro8.

Oh well the beef continues, I'm curious to know if KeSPA players are aware of the situation.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Everready
Profile Joined June 2012
United States42 Posts
September 26 2016 20:30 GMT
#15
I usually am not the biggest fan of Nerchio, but I want nothing more than him to crush every dismissive Korean there is and put them in their place. Best of luck, Nerchio
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
September 26 2016 20:50 GMT
#16
Nerchio, quite badass.
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
September 26 2016 20:55 GMT
#17
However, I'll change that perception though getting good results.


through* (I suppose)
edwahn
Profile Joined March 2011
New Zealand121 Posts
September 26 2016 21:10 GMT
#18
Most polite Nerchio interview ever...? But really insightful, and Kespa cup is building up to be the event of the year for me.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
September 26 2016 21:24 GMT
#19
Dark is the best zerg? I thought he was random Korean. :D
waail357
Profile Joined September 2016
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-26 21:38:04
September 26 2016 21:37 GMT
#20
Nerchio pls don't reply to a post on your own interview pls.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 26 2016 21:55 GMT
#21
On September 27 2016 03:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
The evolution of Nerchio's opinion on Korean zergs is interesting. Or it would be if we could read it.

I love the evolution of his opinions :-)
Within 2 hours from a random Zerg to the best Zerg in the world :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
September 26 2016 21:59 GMT
#22
The fact that he was hoping for a ZvZ frightens me. It would be so anticlimatic seing him go down first round.

I don't say this often, but go Nerchio.
alukarD
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico396 Posts
September 26 2016 22:04 GMT
#23
Make them bleed!!!
Die Trying
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33313 Posts
September 26 2016 22:32 GMT
#24
Poor Nerchio, I'll be your friend!
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TheHumanLife
Profile Joined September 2016
138 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-26 23:23:57
September 26 2016 23:05 GMT
#25
no burden please Nerchio. whether u make ro8 or not, we already know you are not an ordinary player

This tournament is in Korea, and 3 foreigners (+ TRUE) vs 12 Koreans. It will be much harder for foreigners than playing in blizzcon in next month. I am kinda worry for them, and I hope they get rid of their pressure well before match

To be honest, there are some Koreans who really want a foreigner winning a tournament vs Koreans. So this scene won't die faster by that. The biggest reason for this is the region lock between Korea and rest.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
September 26 2016 23:38 GMT
#26
If by "Change the perception of foreigners" he means "Make them think Lilbow's Blizzcon flop was the greatest moment for them" I might buy it
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 26 2016 23:49 GMT
#27
Nerchio is a good guy. After the tournament, we will see a new Nerchio. A modest Nerchio. No fun of Koreans, no trashtalk :-)
Already in this interview, he talks nicely about Dark, about Maru ... he already started to pretend that his favorite matchup is ZvZ so that he has an excuse after the matches :-)
I think, we will all like him with this new, much smaller ego :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 26 2016 23:54 GMT
#28
On September 27 2016 08:49 Diabolique wrote:
Nerchio is a good guy. After the tournament, we will see a new Nerchio. A modest Nerchio. No fun of Koreans, no trashtalk :-)
Already in this interview, he talks nicely about Dark, about Maru ... he already started to pretend that his favorite matchup is ZvZ so that he has an excuse after the matches :-)
I think, we will all like him with this new, much smaller ego :-)

I enjoyed his LR posts
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insidiousapricot
Profile Joined February 2016
11 Posts
September 27 2016 00:13 GMT
#29
Certainly seems the region lock created a lot of perhaps unjustified confidence in foreigners ability vs Koreans, which has been a cool side effect. And offline best of 1 style tournament results adding to that confidence for Nerchio. Then he just watches the top korean zergs play in the crossfinals and seems to do a complete 180 now that it's all close to becoming reality. It's rather unfortunate since this sudden lack of confidence may end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy for him. Best of luck to all the foreigners, but the BW player in me hopes they all get annihilated.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 27 2016 00:29 GMT
#30
On September 27 2016 08:54 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 08:49 Diabolique wrote:
Nerchio is a good guy. After the tournament, we will see a new Nerchio. A modest Nerchio. No fun of Koreans, no trashtalk :-)
Already in this interview, he talks nicely about Dark, about Maru ... he already started to pretend that his favorite matchup is ZvZ so that he has an excuse after the matches :-)
I think, we will all like him with this new, much smaller ego :-)

I enjoyed his LR posts

Well, it was certainly funny with him! Somehow, it would be nice not to lose the old Nerchio. But it is almost impossible. If he loses both matches 0:3, he will feel ashamed and become "Silent Nerchio". If he gets out of the group, he would become the "Big Mouth Nerchio" even more. Maybe if he wins the loser's match and loses the other two, he could stay as he is. Or maybe, he could win the first match, lose with Maru in the final and then lose the decider ... I like that option :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
September 27 2016 00:40 GMT
#31
On September 27 2016 09:13 insidiousapricot wrote:
Certainly seems the region lock created a lot of perhaps unjustified confidence in foreigners ability vs Koreans, which has been a cool side effect. And offline best of 1 style tournament results adding to that confidence for Nerchio. Then he just watches the top korean zergs play in the crossfinals and seems to do a complete 180 now that it's all close to becoming reality. It's rather unfortunate since this sudden lack of confidence may end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy for him. Best of luck to all the foreigners, but the BW player in me hopes they all get annihilated.


Apparently the interview wasn't even completely translated. Also, I think the confidence is a huge thing the foreigners need. Nerchio doesn't seem scared. Simply respectful of their skill which is exactly what he needs.
sc2chronic
Profile Joined May 2012
United States777 Posts
September 27 2016 00:53 GMT
#32
looks like the hate hes been accumulating has gotten to him. Humbled-Zerg. i love the bet hedges subtely thrown in in all his answers. cant imagine how hard it would be to talk big and not back it up.
terrible, terrible, damage
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 27 2016 00:56 GMT
#33
On September 27 2016 09:40 Parrek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 09:13 insidiousapricot wrote:
Certainly seems the region lock created a lot of perhaps unjustified confidence in foreigners ability vs Koreans, which has been a cool side effect. And offline best of 1 style tournament results adding to that confidence for Nerchio. Then he just watches the top korean zergs play in the crossfinals and seems to do a complete 180 now that it's all close to becoming reality. It's rather unfortunate since this sudden lack of confidence may end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy for him. Best of luck to all the foreigners, but the BW player in me hopes they all get annihilated.


Apparently the interview wasn't even completely translated. Also, I think the confidence is a huge thing the foreigners need. Nerchio doesn't seem scared. Simply respectful of their skill which is exactly what he needs.

Based on this interview, I think, he is a bit scared ... he got scared in the last moment before the matches ... if he had to play tomorrow, I would be pretty sure about twice 0:3. Hopefully he finds his confidence before Friday so that the matches can't be compared to Lilbow ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
KiWiKaKi
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada691 Posts
September 27 2016 01:22 GMT
#34
how about start by not being a complete asshole
ur pro or ur noob , thats life
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4492 Posts
September 27 2016 02:03 GMT
#35
On September 27 2016 10:22 KiWiKaKi wrote:
how about start by not being a complete asshole

do you want to get a growling. watch it buster.
hi. big fan.
sc2chronic
Profile Joined May 2012
United States777 Posts
September 27 2016 02:11 GMT
#36
On September 27 2016 10:22 KiWiKaKi wrote:
how about start by not being a complete asshole

terrible, terrible, damage
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10112 Posts
September 27 2016 04:27 GMT
#37
On September 27 2016 05:30 Everready wrote:
I usually am not the biggest fan of Nerchio, but I want nothing more than him to crush every dismissive Korean there is and put them in their place. Best of luck, Nerchio

Hahaha, sorry man, foreigners have been saying the same thing since 2002 and it will just never happen ^^
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Ozmodeus
Profile Joined April 2011
United States24 Posts
September 27 2016 04:40 GMT
#38
On September 27 2016 06:24 Shield wrote:
Dark is the best zerg? I thought he was random Korean. :D




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Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 05:03:52
September 27 2016 04:58 GMT
#39
On September 27 2016 13:40 Ozmodeus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 06:24 Shield wrote:
Dark is the best zerg? I thought he was random Korean. :D




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SCHWARZENEGGER
Profile Joined July 2016
206 Posts
September 27 2016 05:30 GMT
#40
soo is the best zerg, inno terran, every kr protoss yeah.
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1194 Posts
September 27 2016 07:33 GMT
#41
On September 27 2016 06:55 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 03:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
The evolution of Nerchio's opinion on Korean zergs is interesting. Or it would be if we could read it.

I love the evolution of his opinions :-)
Within 2 hours from a random Zerg to the best Zerg in the world :-)

If you are referring to this in the Dark interview thread:
On September 26 2016 23:56 Nerchio wrote:
I don't understand why they ask random Koreans about me but it's fine I guess

then I suppose by random he meant it's not like Dark got anything to do with him as they haven't met.
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Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1206 Posts
September 27 2016 09:03 GMT
#42
We got your back Nerchio - give'em hell! :D
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D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
September 27 2016 09:43 GMT
#43
Really trying to shove that Nerchio hype down our throats, huh.
why even
zyce
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States649 Posts
September 27 2016 10:34 GMT
#44
This back and forth is awesome. Thanks for sharing!
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
September 27 2016 16:26 GMT
#45
On September 27 2016 18:43 D-light wrote:
Really trying to shove that Nerchio hype down our throats, huh.


Yeah, how stupid of inven to interview Nerchio, they should only interview the Korean players in KeSPA Cup!

How dare Koreans in general be hyped about foreigners playing in Korea. And now some of them even volunteer to translate the interviews and post them on TL. Really, I'm sick of it!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Lightrush
Profile Joined July 2015
Bulgaria164 Posts
September 27 2016 19:59 GMT
#46
Don't worry. Neeb already did that.
User was warned for this post
slimbo1
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany228 Posts
September 28 2016 07:37 GMT
#47
PLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

Its ' and not `

-.-
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 08:01:26
September 28 2016 08:00 GMT
#48
I always thought the perception of foreigners was that there's a few good ones that can at least compete in Korea. But overall they are miles behind the Korean pros. Doubt that I'm gonna change mind based of how well Mlord, nerch, or Neeb play. Unless they all get into ro8 which would be insane.

Although it would change my perception of Nerchio is he can do something decent there. Because I never thought his play was of that kind of standard compared with what Neeb has done
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
September 28 2016 08:39 GMT
#49
On September 28 2016 17:00 Fango wrote:
I always thought the perception of foreigners was that there's a few good ones that can at least compete in Korea. But overall they are miles behind the Korean pros. Doubt that I'm gonna change mind based of how well Mlord, nerch, or Neeb play. Unless they all get into ro8 which would be insane.

Although it would change my perception of Nerchio is he can do something decent there. Because I never thought his play was of that kind of standard compared with what Neeb has done


Yeah, I had that impression too. Like, there was Bunny and Snute in WCS EU along with Naniwa and Stephano, but i think the main difference here is that these are foreigners trying to beat Koreans on their own turf. It's not like this is an IEM where there's more foreigners or worse Koreans (aside from Rogue) and the Koreans are jet-lagged and in a foreign environment.

Here, the Koreans are likely trying harder because there's more Koreans, and there is also a longer time to prepare for each group and the ro8. So I would place this closer to a mini-GSL or SSL rather than an IEM (and definitely not a Dreamhack).

As for Nerchio, I'm kind of mixed because I'm not really much of a fan of his, I don't cheer for Zerg, but I want foreigners to do well.
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 28 2016 08:41 GMT
#50
It would change my perception of Nerchio if he actually became humble. But now, I want him to win the first match and get destroyed by Maru in the winners match. Then, he could try to show some effort in the decider match.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
September 28 2016 09:12 GMT
#51
I think a lot of people take him way too seriously. Nerchio's an awesome dude, hope he gets through
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 13:11:55
September 28 2016 13:08 GMT
#52
On September 28 2016 17:41 Diabolique wrote:
It would change my perception of Nerchio if he actually became humble. But now, I want him to win the first match and get destroyed by Maru in the winners match. Then, he could try to show some effort in the decider match.


That's if Maru makes it to the winner's match. Imagine a world where Patience and Nerchio come out of a group that contains Classic and Maru? The underdogs versus the Starleague champions.
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
Ppjack
Profile Joined March 2015
Belgium489 Posts
September 28 2016 13:35 GMT
#53
On September 28 2016 17:41 Diabolique wrote:
It would change my perception of Nerchio if he actually became humble. But now, I want him to win the first match and get destroyed by Maru in the winners match. Then, he could try to show some effort in the decider match.


why be humble when you are a god among men ?

<;o)
Popparockz
Profile Joined April 2011
United States40 Posts
September 29 2016 04:22 GMT
#54
I think Neeb beat you to it.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
September 29 2016 05:24 GMT
#55
(Wiki)
On September 28 2016 22:35 Ppjack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2016 17:41 Diabolique wrote:
It would change my perception of Nerchio if he actually became humble. But now, I want him to win the first match and get destroyed by Maru in the winners match. Then, he could try to show some effort in the decider match.


why be humble when you are a god among men ?



I know that judgemental attitude from Korean fans who would shit all over players who dared to show confidence without winning everything.
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
September 29 2016 06:25 GMT
#56
haha Nerchio, good stuff. : )
*burp*
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3344 Posts
September 29 2016 07:06 GMT
#57
On September 28 2016 22:35 Ppjack wrote:
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On September 28 2016 17:41 Diabolique wrote:
It would change my perception of Nerchio if he actually became humble. But now, I want him to win the first match and get destroyed by Maru in the winners match. Then, he could try to show some effort in the decider match.


why be humble when you are a god among men ?


It's also because so many fans shit on foreign pros, all he's doing is restoring balance.
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BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1166 Posts
September 29 2016 07:59 GMT
#58
why care about nerchio when neeb is doing the right things, without all the shit talking O.o
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iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1478 Posts
September 30 2016 13:32 GMT
#59
Quite good performance from Nerchio, even if didnt make it.
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dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia237 Posts
September 30 2016 13:40 GMT
#60
good games Nerch! You didnt advance but you shown your caliber next time
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baiesradu
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Romania150 Posts
September 30 2016 13:40 GMT
#61
He did well, but not amazing. He put in a solid effort, got close but not enough. I don't think he has anything to be ashamed of . I hope he gets a bit better for Blizzcon !
I love Starcraft .
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1835 Posts
September 30 2016 14:48 GMT
#62
I really don't understand why people insist Nerchio played well versus Maru. He got severely outplayed in both games 1 and 3 and did not deserve to win the series.
In game 1 particularly he had a massive advantage and threw it away not by a singular mistake, but by incrementally falling further behind as he did nothing to prevent Maru from eeking out small advantages. His inability to prevent Maru from canceling his bases over and over put him in a position of inevitable defeat.
People praise Nerchio's defense, but in game 3 all he did was defend. Maru pinned him back so effectively that he did nothing to hinder Maru's economy. Maru took an early third and got away with it. The result of the match was determined the moment Nerchio failed to punish him for that.
To top it off, Nerchio's biles in game 1 were abysmal. He won the early build order battle in game 1, but then lost due to poor multitasking and micro, both the hallmarks of mid-late game Starcraft. In game 3 he showed a lack of understanding of the larger situation. Not once did he even attempt a run by to alleviate pressure on himself. He simply kept falling behind until he had lost.
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Aegwynn
Profile Joined September 2015
Italy460 Posts
September 30 2016 15:11 GMT
#63
Both Maru's wins were on heavily terran favoured maps so yes it was very close.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
September 30 2016 15:29 GMT
#64
On October 01 2016 00:11 Aegwynn wrote:
Both Maru's wins were on heavily terran favoured maps so yes it was very close.

While not a large sample size.. Galatic process actually has a slightly higher Zerg win rate in the match up

The map Nerchio won on is also zerg favored according to stats

In other words your excuses are bullshit.

Nerchio couldn't back up his talk, plain and simple.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
September 30 2016 15:35 GMT
#65
On October 01 2016 00:29 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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On October 01 2016 00:11 Aegwynn wrote:
Both Maru's wins were on heavily terran favoured maps so yes it was very close.

While not a large sample size.. Galatic process actually has a slightly higher Zerg win rate in the match up

The map Nerchio won on is also zerg favored according to stats

In other words your excuses are bullshit.

Nerchio couldn't back up his talk, plain and simple.


Nerchio said it would probably be very hard to beat Maru offline, I think he backed up his talk today .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 30 2016 15:36 GMT
#66
I don't think my perception has changed, but I never thought they were that bad to begin with.
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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
September 30 2016 15:43 GMT
#67
On October 01 2016 00:36 stuchiu wrote:
I don't think my perception has changed, but I never thought they were that bad to begin with.

My perception hasn't changed in the least. Like always they are for the most part below the Koreans with 1 guy who can make a decent showing. Nothing has changed with aggravates me even more.

Despite my elitist, 'hate posting' a part of me really did want Foreigners to do better, to see that change. At least that way the Korean scene isn't slowly dying for nothing. But this.. Literally killing the scene so spoiled brats can milk a bit more money out of the game is beyond infuriating.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 30 2016 15:49 GMT
#68
On October 01 2016 00:43 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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On October 01 2016 00:36 stuchiu wrote:
I don't think my perception has changed, but I never thought they were that bad to begin with.

My perception hasn't changed in the least. Like always they are for the most part below the Koreans with 1 guy who can make a decent showing. Nothing has changed with aggravates me even more.

Despite my elitist, 'hate posting' a part of me really did want Foreigners to do better, to see that change. At least that way the Korean scene isn't slowly dying for nothing. But this.. Literally killing the scene so spoiled brats can milk a bit more money out of the game is beyond infuriating.

This pov is incredibly shallow and misses any nuance this topic deserves. Not that i am surprised to see it on here but still..
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17662 Posts
September 30 2016 16:24 GMT
#69
On September 30 2016 23:48 mizenhauee wrote:
I really don't understand why people insist Nerchio played well versus Maru. He got severely outplayed in both games 1 and 3 and did not deserve to win the series.
In game 1 particularly he had a massive advantage and threw it away not by a singular mistake, but by incrementally falling further behind as he did nothing to prevent Maru from eeking out small advantages. His inability to prevent Maru from canceling his bases over and over put him in a position of inevitable defeat.
People praise Nerchio's defense, but in game 3 all he did was defend. Maru pinned him back so effectively that he did nothing to hinder Maru's economy. Maru took an early third and got away with it. The result of the match was determined the moment Nerchio failed to punish him for that.
To top it off, Nerchio's biles in game 1 were abysmal. He won the early build order battle in game 1, but then lost due to poor multitasking and micro, both the hallmarks of mid-late game Starcraft. In game 3 he showed a lack of understanding of the larger situation. Not once did he even attempt a run by to alleviate pressure on himself. He simply kept falling behind until he had lost.

I agree with you that it wasn't as close as most people are saying, but Nerchio still played well for a foreigner
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 30 2016 16:30 GMT
#70
On October 01 2016 01:24 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2016 23:48 mizenhauee wrote:
I really don't understand why people insist Nerchio played well versus Maru. He got severely outplayed in both games 1 and 3 and did not deserve to win the series.
In game 1 particularly he had a massive advantage and threw it away not by a singular mistake, but by incrementally falling further behind as he did nothing to prevent Maru from eeking out small advantages. His inability to prevent Maru from canceling his bases over and over put him in a position of inevitable defeat.
People praise Nerchio's defense, but in game 3 all he did was defend. Maru pinned him back so effectively that he did nothing to hinder Maru's economy. Maru took an early third and got away with it. The result of the match was determined the moment Nerchio failed to punish him for that.
To top it off, Nerchio's biles in game 1 were abysmal. He won the early build order battle in game 1, but then lost due to poor multitasking and micro, both the hallmarks of mid-late game Starcraft. In game 3 he showed a lack of understanding of the larger situation. Not once did he even attempt a run by to alleviate pressure on himself. He simply kept falling behind until he had lost.

I agree with you that it wasn't as close as most people are saying, but Nerchio still played well for a foreigner

if I was nerchio, I would feel insulted by this lol.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17662 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-30 16:35:24
September 30 2016 16:34 GMT
#71
On October 01 2016 01:30 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2016 01:24 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 30 2016 23:48 mizenhauee wrote:
I really don't understand why people insist Nerchio played well versus Maru. He got severely outplayed in both games 1 and 3 and did not deserve to win the series.
In game 1 particularly he had a massive advantage and threw it away not by a singular mistake, but by incrementally falling further behind as he did nothing to prevent Maru from eeking out small advantages. His inability to prevent Maru from canceling his bases over and over put him in a position of inevitable defeat.
People praise Nerchio's defense, but in game 3 all he did was defend. Maru pinned him back so effectively that he did nothing to hinder Maru's economy. Maru took an early third and got away with it. The result of the match was determined the moment Nerchio failed to punish him for that.
To top it off, Nerchio's biles in game 1 were abysmal. He won the early build order battle in game 1, but then lost due to poor multitasking and micro, both the hallmarks of mid-late game Starcraft. In game 3 he showed a lack of understanding of the larger situation. Not once did he even attempt a run by to alleviate pressure on himself. He simply kept falling behind until he had lost.

I agree with you that it wasn't as close as most people are saying, but Nerchio still played well for a foreigner

if I was nerchio, I would feel insulted by this lol.

no need to feel insulted, he's definitely a top 5 foreigner, maybe top 3
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SKN1995
Profile Joined September 2016
Japan204 Posts
September 30 2016 16:37 GMT
#72
Nerchio played well for Nerchio. While he didnt really stand a chance against the Koreans he faced even though they weren't bringing their A-game (esp Classic who played so atrociously poorly ), I don't think Nerchio has ever hit his injects better, spread his creep better, been more on point than these days - so who knows; if he keeps practising maybe one day he will be able to compete with the big boys.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
September 30 2016 16:39 GMT
#73
On October 01 2016 01:37 SKN1995 wrote:
Nerchio played well for Nerchio. While he didnt really stand a chance against the Koreans he faced even though they weren't bringing their A-game (esp Classic who played so atrociously poorly ), I don't think Nerchio has ever hit his injects better, spread his creep better, been more on point than these days - so who knows; if he keeps practising maybe one day he will be able to compete with the big boys.


Nerchio played as well as any Korean there.

But when you have a group of 4 very skilled players and only two make it out, Nechio's chances of advancing are 50%.
DR
Profile Joined September 2010
52 Posts
September 30 2016 16:45 GMT
#74
On October 01 2016 01:39 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2016 01:37 SKN1995 wrote:
Nerchio played well for Nerchio. While he didnt really stand a chance against the Koreans he faced even though they weren't bringing their A-game (esp Classic who played so atrociously poorly ), I don't think Nerchio has ever hit his injects better, spread his creep better, been more on point than these days - so who knows; if he keeps practising maybe one day he will be able to compete with the big boys.


Nerchio played as well as any Korean there.

But when you have a group of 4 very skilled players and only two make it out, Nechio's chances of advancing are 50%.


So you say that starcraft at this level is random?
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-30 16:53:32
September 30 2016 16:52 GMT
#75
I didn't say that. What I said is that they are all very skilled.

The best player at the moment always wins. But upsets happen.
sc2chronic
Profile Joined May 2012
United States777 Posts
September 30 2016 17:09 GMT
#76
its okay u tried
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SKN1995
Profile Joined September 2016
Japan204 Posts
September 30 2016 17:17 GMT
#77
On October 01 2016 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:
I didn't say that. What I said is that they are all very skilled.

The best player at the moment always wins. But upsets happen.

"all very skilled" XDDD

Were we watching the same games today? Classic going MSC before 2nd and 3rd Gateway in his first game against Nerchio. Classic losing an Archon while doing Warp Prism harass to Roaches, Ravagers and Queens in the second game of that series. Patience miscontrolling his first Oracle in his first game against Nerchio, only killing 3 Drones when he easily could have gotten 4-5 Drones with just decent control. Nerchio not being prepared for when Patience's second Oracle coming around in the same game despite this not being an uncommon thing for Protosses to do when going Oracle. Patience losing both of his Oracles to a Spore and two Queens only killing off a few Probes in the second game against Nerchio.

Just to name a few of all the silly mistakes being made today.
SKN1995
Profile Joined September 2016
Japan204 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-30 17:19:19
September 30 2016 17:17 GMT
#78
SKN1995
Profile Joined September 2016
Japan204 Posts
September 30 2016 17:17 GMT
#79
On October 01 2016 01:52 BronzeKnee wrote:
I didn't say that. What I said is that they are all very skilled.

The best player at the moment always wins. But upsets happen.

"all very skilled" XDDD

Were we watching the same games today? Classic going MSC before 2nd and 3rd Gateway in his first game against Nerchio. Classic losing an Archon while doing Warp Prism harass to Roaches, Ravagers and Queens in the second game of that series. Patience miscontrolling his first Oracle in his first game against Nerchio, only killing 3 Drones when he easily could have gotten 4-5 Drones with just decent control. Nerchio not being prepared for Patience's second Oracle coming around in the same game despite this not being an uncommon thing for Protosses to do when going Oracle. Patience losing both of his Oracles to a Spore and two Queens only killing off a few Probes in the second game against Nerchio.

Just to name a few of all the silly mistakes being made today.
SKN1995
Profile Joined September 2016
Japan204 Posts
September 30 2016 17:19 GMT
#80
Apparently I am not very good at editing. My bad, guys!
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2626 Posts
September 30 2016 17:28 GMT
#81
On October 01 2016 01:45 DR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2016 01:39 BronzeKnee wrote:
On October 01 2016 01:37 SKN1995 wrote:
Nerchio played well for Nerchio. While he didnt really stand a chance against the Koreans he faced even though they weren't bringing their A-game (esp Classic who played so atrociously poorly ), I don't think Nerchio has ever hit his injects better, spread his creep better, been more on point than these days - so who knows; if he keeps practising maybe one day he will be able to compete with the big boys.


Nerchio played as well as any Korean there.

But when you have a group of 4 very skilled players and only two make it out, Nechio's chances of advancing are 50%.


So you say that starcraft at this level is random?


High level starcraft is so volatile that a player can win GSL one season and be the first to get out of the tournament the next season.

Wich is kind of what happened here lol (Byun getting eliminated in the first group even though he is the reigning GLS champ)
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1835 Posts
September 30 2016 17:54 GMT
#82
On October 01 2016 02:28 Lexender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2016 01:45 DR wrote:
On October 01 2016 01:39 BronzeKnee wrote:
On October 01 2016 01:37 SKN1995 wrote:
Nerchio played well for Nerchio. While he didnt really stand a chance against the Koreans he faced even though they weren't bringing their A-game (esp Classic who played so atrociously poorly ), I don't think Nerchio has ever hit his injects better, spread his creep better, been more on point than these days - so who knows; if he keeps practising maybe one day he will be able to compete with the big boys.


Nerchio played as well as any Korean there.

But when you have a group of 4 very skilled players and only two make it out, Nechio's chances of advancing are 50%.


So you say that starcraft at this level is random?


High level starcraft is so volatile that a player can win GSL one season and be the first to get out of the tournament the next season.

Wich is kind of what happened here lol (Byun getting eliminated in the first group even though he is the reigning GLS champ)


If I remember correctly, it is Classic who is guilty of the feat you're describing.
He really did play terribly, though. What a bad latter half of the year for SKT (minus Dark).
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