EPTlmao internet psychology at its best. If you say so pal.
Nerchio on KeSPA Cup: "Koreans aren't the only ones that k…
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juvenal
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lmao internet psychology at its best. If you say so pal. | ||
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mugen00
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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DSK
England1110 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On September 18 2016 03:50 OtherWorld wrote: Well no, Koreans are not the only ones who know how to play StarCraft II. But they're better at it. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8A1PndS.jpg) you mean, like this guy once said? | ||
Poopi
France12980 Posts
On September 18 2016 02:29 Yrr wrote: It took a foreigner what koreans were not able to do - beating Byun. It took a foreigner what koreans were not able to do - beating Nerchio. Well done Nerchio, you made us proud. ByuN got trashed already by Neeb, Stephano and even Scarlett xD. ZvT still seems easy tho, I'm glad  . | ||
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Eiltonn
Germany307 Posts
On September 17 2016 20:39 Nerchio wrote: I wonder how many internet hate points I am going to get for this interview :D Nerchio the only Zerg hope left confirmed. Kespa cup should be ez | ||
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
Haha didn't know shoutcraft was today. I am more meaning in a lan environment though, not a bo 1 online . Obviously Byun is the better player, but the difference isn't as big as it was 2-3 years ago. Back then even tier 2 koreans would be better than foreigners. Right now the best foreigners are "merely" underdogs against the best koreans (as opposed to being chanceless). A few upsets are definitely a possiblity. Anyway with regards to online-vs-offline. Remember that Byun made himself a name through online cups. Even though they are not 1-1 comparable, ignoring them is definitely a big mistake. If you smash the opponents online, chances are you will do similar stuff at lan. | ||
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alukarD
Mexico396 Posts
I'm really happy with players like you and Neeb and MarineLord representing the foreign scene. You guys probably will feel alone and cornered against all those Koreans, but you'll have all (or most) of the foreign scene cheering and supporting you guys all the way! | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16084 Posts
On September 18 2016 05:02 Hider wrote: Obviously Byun is the better player, but the difference isn't as big as it was 2-3 years ago. Back then even tier 2 koreans would be better than foreigners. Right now the best foreigners are "merely" underdogs against the best koreans (as opposed to being chanceless). A few upsets are definitely a possiblity. Anyway with regards to online-vs-offline. Remember that Byun made himself a name through online cups. Even though they are not 1-1 comparable, ignoring them is definitely a big mistake. If you smash the opponents online, chances are you will do similar stuff at lan. until top foreigners can consistently beat koreans offline I'm not convinced they have improved. winning single maps against top koreans was always possible, Snute beat Classic and Rain last year (even in bo3) so I don't think nerchio winning a few maps vs koreans online proves anything. | ||
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bulya
Israel386 Posts
The win vs Byun may not be that representative, as for Byun it was the 9th game in a row, but it definitely an indicator. But the other wins showed that Nerchio can do it, and he is quite right about the bias here. He doesn't claim that he is the best, but he is quite true saying that if there is any gap at all, then it is way smaller then what the people here claim (the bias), and may be foreigners are even better. I know it wasn't the case for many years, but things change (Uthermal interview explains why). Regarding the claims that he revealed himself, then I'm quite certain the players in Korea do know his standard ZvT styles (one of Byun's practice partners is Scarlett, which surely knows about it, even though she plays otherwise). In Solar's interview after winning the SSL, it was said that he lacked Korean practice partners, which made him practice with many foreigners before his finals vs Dark (I guess you know who won this one). So its not like Koreans underestimate foreigners the way some people here claim, therefore they are certainly aware of Nerchio's standard ZvT styles he played vs Byun and Maru. The other 2 ZvTs he played safer, starting with a pool first and later thirds, but both of them didn't even get to the end game, meaning his defense was on point even without the corners he usually cuts in this match-up. He will probably face Mana in an qualification match in a few days, a much more important match for him then the last shoucraft matches, so this is probably where he didn't wan't to reveal himself. Not surprised at all that he played all ZvPs on Frost with the same unit composition and approach (going for the third from the other side around). So he didn't really reveal his current ZvP preparation, which is the matchup he have to prepare for these days. (perhaps ZvZ is another one, but it is a way more reactive and dynamic match-up then a ZvP) GL Nerchio in the Kespa cup and Blizzcon. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
On September 18 2016 05:37 Charoisaur wrote: until top foreigners can consistently beat koreans offline I'm not convinced they have improved. winning single maps against top koreans was always possible, Snute beat Classic and Rain last year (even in bo3) so I don't think nerchio winning a few maps vs koreans online proves anything. And until Byun won GSL you could also not be convinced he even was a top 20 player in the world. But some stuff is more likely than other. But I am confused what you are not convinced about? I don't believe foreigners are in top 7-10 for instance, however I believe we have quite a few (between 3-5) in the top 10-30 range. And that gives us room for a lot more upsets. 2-3 years ago I wouldn't rank a single non-korean in the top 20. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16084 Posts
On September 18 2016 06:30 Hider wrote: And until Byun won GSL you could also not be convinced he even was a top 20 player in the world. But some stuff is more likely than other. But I am confused what you are not convinced about? I don't believe foreigners are in top 7-10 for instance, however I believe we have quite a few (between 3-5) in the top 10-30 range. And that gives us room for a lot more upsets. 2-3 years ago I wouldn't rank a single non-korean in the top 20. okay I should not speak against the foreigner circlejerk right after nerchio beat 6 koreans. we'll see at KeSPa cup | ||
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Poopi
France12980 Posts
On September 18 2016 06:30 Hider wrote: And until Byun won GSL you could also not be convinced he even was a top 20 player in the world. But some stuff is more likely than other. But I am confused what you are not convinced about? I don't believe foreigners are in top 7-10 for instance, however I believe we have quite a few (between 3-5) in the top 10-30 range. And that gives us room for a lot more upsets. 2-3 years ago I wouldn't rank a single non-korean in the top 20. Stephano was top 10 | ||
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
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ClanWars
United States330 Posts
On September 18 2016 10:06 ParksonVN wrote: Korean just dont care about online tournamen,why ? They dont reveal their builds for few dollars, they play with high ping with makes pros' mechanic seems ordinary... No matter how many matches you win against Koreans in online tournament, i dont see top tier Korean lose in offline tournament. You know what I call people who "dont perform well in online tournaments"? B+ players. | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On September 18 2016 10:06 ParksonVN wrote: Korean just dont care about online tournamen,why ? They dont reveal their builds for few dollars, they play with high ping with makes pros' mechanic seems ordinary... No matter how many matches you win against Koreans in online tournament, i dont see top tier Korean lose in offline tournament. Byun made his name online winning a bunch of things, and, after he got over his offline nerves, proceeded to wreck everyone. With Byun as an indication, consistently strong online results do mean something for offline results. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 18 2016 13:28 ClanWars wrote: You know what I call people who "dont perform well in online tournaments"? B+ players. Aw why did you edit it? I liked the original. | ||
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highsis
259 Posts
No sarcasm here I wanna see foreigners beating Koreans in an offline events. They did it in shoutcraft where both sides had the same disadvantages of ping, why can't they do it offline? | ||
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
in 2012. | ||
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