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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 19 2016 19:09 GMT
#161
On September 20 2016 03:37 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2016 03:31 Fango wrote:
On September 19 2016 22:13 RKC wrote:
Foreigners have already proven to be able to beat top Koreans in SC2 (Jinro, Stephano, Naniwa, Snute, etc.). To be this excited about Neeb and Nerchio means you feel those past top foreigners were anomalies and the norm is that foreigners still suck. My lack of excitement is not because I put Koreans on a pedestal (as some of you seem to think), but because I hold foreigners in higher esteem than you do (so much so that I consider Neeb and Nerchio beating top Koreans as the norm in a 'new-ish' game).

(A football analogy: African and Asian teams have broken the WC ceiling of advancing to the knockout rounds on numerous occasion. What was special then has now become the norm. We no longer feel excited when they advanced into the knockout rounds. Once they break into the semi or even the finals, then we'll be at the edge of our seats again.)

Where foreigners have fallen short is sustaining dominance against Koreans on a consistent basis in a matured game (something even Stephano and Naniwa did not quite achieve). For a foreigner to now achieve that would be truly special. Hence, I'm holding my breath for that.

(A foreigner winning Blizzcon this year would also be slightly special, but its qualification bracket is something unprecedented and surely cannot be compared to the older Blizzcons.)

Yes, so the irony here is that those feeling super excited each time Neeb and Nerchio beats a Korean are actually suffering from a foreigner inferiority complex.


Since Naniwa and Stephano the closest any forigner has come to beat top Koreans is Snute beating HerO a couple times and I think he beat Classic once. None of the other top foreigners right now have proved themselves, Nerchio, NEeb, and MLord are gonna try next week


Snute beat way more top Koreans than that. He beat Classic and Rain at IEM while they were the current GSL and SSL champions btw.


I litteraly said Snute is the only foreigner to have done it. I don't remember him beating Rain but I do Classic
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-20 01:37:33
September 20 2016 01:35 GMT
#162
On September 20 2016 04:09 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2016 03:37 Musicus wrote:
On September 20 2016 03:31 Fango wrote:
On September 19 2016 22:13 RKC wrote:
Foreigners have already proven to be able to beat top Koreans in SC2 (Jinro, Stephano, Naniwa, Snute, etc.). To be this excited about Neeb and Nerchio means you feel those past top foreigners were anomalies and the norm is that foreigners still suck. My lack of excitement is not because I put Koreans on a pedestal (as some of you seem to think), but because I hold foreigners in higher esteem than you do (so much so that I consider Neeb and Nerchio beating top Koreans as the norm in a 'new-ish' game).

(A football analogy: African and Asian teams have broken the WC ceiling of advancing to the knockout rounds on numerous occasion. What was special then has now become the norm. We no longer feel excited when they advanced into the knockout rounds. Once they break into the semi or even the finals, then we'll be at the edge of our seats again.)

Where foreigners have fallen short is sustaining dominance against Koreans on a consistent basis in a matured game (something even Stephano and Naniwa did not quite achieve). For a foreigner to now achieve that would be truly special. Hence, I'm holding my breath for that.

(A foreigner winning Blizzcon this year would also be slightly special, but its qualification bracket is something unprecedented and surely cannot be compared to the older Blizzcons.)

Yes, so the irony here is that those feeling super excited each time Neeb and Nerchio beats a Korean are actually suffering from a foreigner inferiority complex.


Since Naniwa and Stephano the closest any forigner has come to beat top Koreans is Snute beating HerO a couple times and I think he beat Classic once. None of the other top foreigners right now have proved themselves, Nerchio, NEeb, and MLord are gonna try next week


Snute beat way more top Koreans than that. He beat Classic and Rain at IEM while they were the current GSL and SSL champions btw.


I litteraly said Snute is the only foreigner to have done it. I don't remember him beating Rain but I do Classic


Yeah, that's what I mean by " where foreigners have fallen short is sustaining dominance against Koreans on a consistent basis in a matured game". Beating top Korean 3-4 years down the road is where they need to prove themselves, not 1-2 years fresh into a game (where foreigners have time and time again shown to be fully capable of, so what Neeb and Nerchio is doing now is the norm and nothing really surprising).

Snute beat both Rain and Classic in BO3 group matches, knocking out Classic (Rain went on to win the competition). Yes, there was a lot of hoo-hah back then when he did it. Kudos to him, but his giant-killing exploits hasn't really been preserved in the Hall of Fame because he eventually didn't run deep into the competition (quarters, I think).

But Snute has my respect. He may not have peaked as high as Stephano, Naniwa and Jinro, but he's the closest foreigner to be able to keep on par with top Koreans consistently across SC2 (almost becoming the anomaly, in fact). And I think what sets him apart from the likes of the wannabes and flavours-of-the-month is his mental fortitude. He doesn't give up when the chips are down. He digs in deep, even during the era of Korean dominance in HOTS.

(I really respect Snute. I think he's the best foreign hope for the future. It's somewhat sad that his polite disposition and positive contribution on TL doesn't attract as many fans as *cough cough* certain drama kings do. Snute displays the humility of a 'faceless' Korean pro (maybe that's why he's not foreigner enough for some people to root for with stronger passion). More foreigners should be like Snute. )
gg no re thx
meenamjah
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada51 Posts
September 20 2016 03:37 GMT
#163
On September 17 2016 20:39 Nerchio wrote:
I wonder how many internet hate points I am going to get for this interview :D


just go back it up at the tournament
Never delay until tomorrow what you can delay until next week.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
September 20 2016 04:00 GMT
#164
Snute confirmed faceless Korean all along huh. Well played TL.
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-20 05:17:39
September 20 2016 05:16 GMT
#165
I think that Nerchio demonstrated in shoutcarft that he has the potential to win the whole thing. Yes there was latency, yes it was bo1 and yes many Korean pros arnt as used to online tourneys. Still he beat, Byun,Maru,rouge, and myunsick all in the same streak last week he beat dear and Gumiho. This suggests that Nerchio has a dark horse chance to win the whole thing.

Also it hurt my Terran soul to watch him waltz over the gsl champ, and make it look easy doing it.
"when life gives Hero lemons he makes carriers" -Artosis
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1478 Posts
September 20 2016 09:14 GMT
#166
On September 17 2016 20:39 Nerchio wrote:
I wonder how many internet hate points I am going to get for this interview :D


You have an over inflated sense of your own importance. (Sry, couldn't resist :D).
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
September 22 2016 06:50 GMT
#167
Poor Nerchio,

He crushes other pros left and right, defeats Byun, and cannot even be proud of it otherwise it's "overinflated ego"

Anyways, see you soon in the LR threads =)
highsis
Profile Joined August 2011
259 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-25 22:28:28
September 25 2016 21:06 GMT
#168
Today Dark mentioned Nerchio in the post match interview after the cross finals, which wasn't translated in TL:

http://sports.news.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=442&aid=0000044097

Q: Nerchio has recently defeated many Koreans in a foreign tournament and shown confidence. What are your thoughts on that?

A: I looked up the VODs, but I don't see any difference(from past foreigners). As far as I know the tournament was held in European server, and he won't be much of a threat if he plays in Korea.



It seems Dark isn't aware that the games were played on neutral server.

ps; sorry already posted this in tourney thread, how do I delete the post?
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
September 27 2016 13:11 GMT
#169
Where are all the korean elitists at :D
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