EPTOn September 18 2016 19:40 Lgnarrow wrote:
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Lilbow v 2.0 inc
Only if Nerchio get REKT and says "I wasn't even trying, because I was practicing for SC3" LOL
Nerchio on KeSPA Cup: "Koreans aren't the only ones that k…
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Sogetsu
514 Posts
Only if Nerchio get REKT and says "I wasn't even trying, because I was practicing for SC3" LOL | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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usopsama
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On September 19 2016 02:04 usopsama wrote: I can't wait to see these foreigners get rekted. That reminds me of one thing; am I the only one who feels awkward when non-koreans call another non-korean player 'foreigner'? (esp when they have same nationality) I`m not an SJW or PC police (I hate PC; everyone blames everyone else for everything, accusing random people of being racist and all trivial things.), but this does not make sense at all; it feels like listening to someone who calls himself in the second person. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 19 2016 02:25 Thouhastmail wrote: That reminds me of one thing; am I the only one who feels awkward when non-koreans call another non-korean player 'foreigner'? (esp when they have same nationality) I`m not an SJW or PC police (I hate PC; everyone blames everyone else for everything, accusing random people of being racist and all trivial things.), but this does not make sense at all; it feels like listening to someone who calls himself mate. Blizzard split up Koreans and every other country form competing together. It makes sense to call them "foreigners". Plus starcraft is basically a Korean sport anyway | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On September 19 2016 02:25 Thouhastmail wrote: That reminds me of one thing; am I the only one who feels awkward when non-koreans call another non-korean player 'foreigner'? (esp when they have same nationality) I`m not an SJW or PC police (I hate PC; everyone blames everyone else for everything, accusing random people of being racist and all trivial things.), but this does not make sense at all; it feels like listening to someone who calls himself in the second person. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/slang | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
On September 19 2016 00:24 Fango wrote: To be fair it is the reason why 90% of KR pros never stream or compete in online tournaments. The same reason they use barcodes on the ladder, to try and hide what they're doing. Even when they do online cups they almost always just play standard (like Maru in ShoutCraft doing nothing but drops) they don't pull out the special tactics and builds until major tournaments. Both current GSL and SSL champions ate notorious for playing lots of online cups. You don't win them by always playing the same build. Still the idea of Korean players and their starcraft secrets never dies out. I guess it's appealing to make them out to be some kind of mysterious superheroes. But they're just guys playing starcraft just like everywhere else. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 19 2016 03:53 Daswollvieh wrote: Both current GSL and SSL champions ate notorious for playing lots of online cups. You don't win them by always playing the same build. Still the idea of Korean players and their starcraft secrets never dies out. I guess it's appealing to make them out to be some kind of mysterious superheroes. But they're just guys playing starcraft just like everywhere else. Your point? I said 90% of Koreans don't stream or reguarly play in online cups, not all of them. Solar and Byun are part of the few that does. If what you are saying is true, that Koreans don't want to hide their builds, why aren't all of the top Koreans doing weekly online cups? Or streaming every day? The couple that have get decent views on twitch and get decent money. But most don't feel it's worth it. Same reason almost all of them ladder with barcodes | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
That is why Stephano walked thru Koreans. Nerchio could be next. | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On September 19 2016 12:07 BronzeKnee wrote: I really hope Nerchio meant what he said. You become a champion in your mind before you do it in real life. That is why Stephano walked thru Koreans. Nerchio could be next. I think he does. Mentality is such a huge thing in competitive gaming and I think we all underestimate how much of an aura the top pros carried. You're a foreign pro going up against Innovation and you know you're expected to be utterly wrecked and you have been countless times before. It's tilting and easy to not believe in yourself. We've even seen the foreigners get ahead in matches like that and then crumble so hard. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Since LOTV is drastically going to be changed, whatever happens this year is irrelevant anyway. When foreigners can dominate Koreans on a consistent basis in a game that has matured after 3-4 years, then there's something worth discussing about. The last time SC2 hit that stage was HOTS - and foreigners just got rekted by Koreans. So the burden is on foreigners to prove that they can do better in the long-term. Move along now. Talk again in 2018. | ||
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Setsunai
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I found one of your posts yesterday, saying it would be easy to beat Maru. Would it be? Probably not Backpedal is real, heh! Don't shit on my boy Maru that said nice interview, maybe foreigners will finally show something to korea? | ||
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Ppjack
Belgium489 Posts
On September 19 2016 13:31 RKC wrote: LOTV is basically a new game. Just as Elky and Jinro could whoop Korean butts in the early days of BW and WOL, so can Nerchio and Neeb do the same now. Why is it so surprising? Why is it even an issue? Since LOTV is drastically going to be changed, whatever happens this year is irrelevant anyway. When foreigners can dominate Koreans on a consistent basis in a game that has matured after 3-4 years, then there's something worth discussing about. The last time SC2 hit that stage was HOTS - and foreigners just got rekted by Koreans. So the burden is on foreigners to prove that they can do better in the long-term. Move along now. Talk again in 2018. hahahaha see you ! you win the best korean-love-1000-point post of the year | ||
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
On September 19 2016 13:31 RKC wrote: When foreigners can dominate Koreans on a consistent basis in a game that has matured after 3-4 years, then there's something worth discussing about. or in other words When foreigners can dominate in time I decide is right and that will be never because I will find exactly time when Koreans are dominating, we can talk about it great argument mate, logic gymnastics are real here | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
(A football analogy: African and Asian teams have broken the WC ceiling of advancing to the knockout rounds on numerous occasion. What was special then has now become the norm. We no longer feel excited when they advanced into the knockout rounds. Once they break into the semi or even the finals, then we'll be at the edge of our seats again.) Where foreigners have fallen short is sustaining dominance against Koreans on a consistent basis in a matured game (something even Stephano and Naniwa did not quite achieve). For a foreigner to now achieve that would be truly special. Hence, I'm holding my breath for that. (A foreigner winning Blizzcon this year would also be slightly special, but its qualification bracket is something unprecedented and surely cannot be compared to the older Blizzcons.) Yes, so the irony here is that those feeling super excited each time Neeb and Nerchio beats a Korean are actually suffering from a foreigner inferiority complex. | ||
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MaCRo.gg
Korea (South)860 Posts
Building walls to keep ̶M̶e̶x̶i̶c̶a̶n̶ Koreans out. Trump 2016! | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 19 2016 22:13 RKC wrote: Foreigners have already proven to be able to beat top Koreans in SC2 (Jinro, Stephano, Naniwa, Snute, etc.). To be this excited about Neeb and Nerchio means you feel those past top foreigners were anomalies and the norm is that foreigners still suck. My lack of excitement is not because I put Koreans on a pedestal (as some of you seem to think), but because I hold foreigners in higher esteem than you do (so much so that I consider Neeb and Nerchio beating top Koreans as the norm in a 'new-ish' game). (A football analogy: African and Asian teams have broken the WC ceiling of advancing to the knockout rounds on numerous occasion. What was special then has now become the norm. We no longer feel excited when they advanced into the knockout rounds. Once they break into the semi or even the finals, then we'll be at the edge of our seats again.) Where foreigners have fallen short is sustaining dominance against Koreans on a consistent basis in a matured game (something even Stephano and Naniwa did not quite achieve). For a foreigner to now achieve that would be truly special. Hence, I'm holding my breath for that. (A foreigner winning Blizzcon this year would also be slightly special, but its qualification bracket is something unprecedented and surely cannot be compared to the older Blizzcons.) Yes, so the irony here is that those feeling super excited each time Neeb and Nerchio beats a Korean are actually suffering from a foreigner inferiority complex. Since Naniwa and Stephano the closest any forigner has come to beat top Koreans is Snute beating HerO a couple times and I think he beat Classic once. None of the other top foreigners right now have proved themselves, Nerchio, NEeb, and MLord are gonna try next week | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On September 20 2016 03:31 Fango wrote: Since Naniwa and Stephano the closest any forigner has come to beat top Koreans is Snute beating HerO a couple times and I think he beat Classic once. None of the other top foreigners right now have proved themselves, Nerchio, NEeb, and MLord are gonna try next week Snute beat way more top Koreans than that. He beat Classic and Rain at IEM while they were the current GSL and SSL champions btw. | ||
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