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Serimek
France2274 Posts
On September 17 2016 20:41 juvenal wrote: none, no one cares. Just like no one will care when you get eliminated 0-3 in the first round. Cheers. Haters gonna hate... | ||
Poopi
France12790 Posts
On September 17 2016 21:02 Nerchio wrote: It's shit, there is a couple of players that won the tournaments and I was like "meh". For example my loss to Showtime in Tours - For this tournament I mostly prepared for ZvZ as I had it 2 rounds in a row and he mostly had PvZ - good job you're victorious. I am not saying he didn't play great but if you have a lucky bracket and you are one of the top players then you can win the tournament easily. I lost the last couple of tournaments on ZvZ 2-3 so if it was DE or something else I could've gone much further as well. We already had a meeting with Blizzard about it though but who knows if it's going to change anything But you benefited for zerg being so strong at the time as well for having free ZvT wins, decent ZvP challenge, so you could focus on training ZvZ... Of course it's a double edged sword, having easy matchups brings so many zergs and if ZvZ is a bit random you are screwed a bit. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Riner1212
United States337 Posts
I think nerchio would do just fine against a korean player.. Im not a nerchio fan but i do respect him as a gamer and for his competitiveness. and plus polish girls are cute lol | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
On September 17 2016 21:06 Poopi wrote: But you benefited for zerg being so strong at the time as well for having free ZvT wins, decent ZvP challenge, so you could focus on training ZvZ... Of course it's a double edged sword, having easy matchups brings so many zergs and if ZvZ is a bit random you are screwed a bit. Not sure what you mean free ZvT wins because in SC2 at the top level the wins are almost never "free" and Protoss is considered to be the strongest race at the moment so "decent ZvP" does not describe it very well  Problem with ZvZ is that if you really want to conquer the match-up you need to practice 1 or 2 months with focused ZvZ practice and then you are going to suffer in other match ups. ZvZ is just that much harder to play consistently good. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On September 17 2016 21:06 Poopi wrote: But you benefited for zerg being so strong at the time as well for having free ZvT wins, decent ZvP challenge, so you could focus on training ZvZ... Of course it's a double edged sword, having easy matchups brings so many zergs and if ZvZ is a bit random you are screwed a bit. I love how you state this as if it were a fact, while Terrans struggled in EU at the same time Terrans in Korea were dominating Zergs left and right. | ||
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WonnaPlay
Netherlands912 Posts
On September 17 2016 20:39 Nerchio wrote: I wonder how many internet hate points I am going to get for this interview :D I thought you were already maxed, but then I realized you're a Zerg who tries to get 220/200...  | ||
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Poopi
France12790 Posts
On September 17 2016 21:09 Musicus wrote: I love how you state this as if it were a fact, while Terrans struggled in EU at the same time Terrans in Korea were dominating Zergs left and right. You realize in both seasons terrans got shat on in Korea as well? Especially in SSL iirc where only ByuN and aLive were still qualified. If it weren't "free" wins, why were there so many midtier zergs in the first months of LotV in Europe? Like people were talking about Bly and the likes as if they were some sort of super strong zergs, which wasn't true afaik? | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
On September 17 2016 21:11 Poopi wrote: You realize in both seasons terrans got shat on in Korea as well? Especially in SSL iirc where only ByuN and aLive were still qualified. If it weren't "free" wins, why were there so many midtier zergs in the first months of LotV in Europe? Like people were talking about Bly and the likes as if they were some sort of super strong zergs, which wasn't true afaik? Because Zerg is always strong early in the expansion as it doesn't need to be figured out as much as other races. Just look how protoss changed from people saying it's impossible to win (and they kept playing same builds for like 3 months and whining) to being probably the strongest race there is. | ||
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Yrr
Germany803 Posts
@Nerchio I really hope you and Neeb beat some koreans up. :D | ||
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Elentos
55510 Posts
On September 17 2016 21:14 Nerchio wrote: Because Zerg is always strong early in the expansion as it doesn't need to be figured out as much as other races. Just look how protoss changed from people saying it's impossible to win (and they kept playing same builds for like 3 months and whining) to being probably the strongest race there is. With only getting nerfs since the launch of the expansion. | ||
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Poopi
France12790 Posts
On September 17 2016 21:14 Nerchio wrote: Because Zerg is always strong early in the expansion as it doesn't need to be figured out as much as other races. Just look how protoss changed from people saying it's impossible to win (and they kept playing same builds for like 3 months and whining) to being probably the strongest race there is. I dunno I figured protoss were super strong as well, I wasn't sure what was worse between super adepts (Seed vs Bomber prepatch) and ultra ultras. Zerg is still doing strong number wise in Europe but indeed at the highest level terrans are catching up in TvZ (MLorD, uThermal and recently HeroMarine are doing well). Point is even though it wasn't "free" wins, not having to struggle in ZvT due to low number of terrans (without considering if the MU was advantageous or not) surely helped having good placements as well. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On September 17 2016 21:11 Poopi wrote: You realize in both seasons terrans got shat on in Korea as well? Especially in SSL iirc where only ByuN and aLive were still qualified. If it weren't "free" wins, why were there so many midtier zergs in the first months of LotV in Europe? Like people were talking about Bly and the likes as if they were some sort of super strong zergs, which wasn't true afaik? Zerg is always the strongest at the start of a new expansion I think, they didn't really get changed much either this time, just got a lot of buffs to already existing units. Zerg felt really strong in the first few months after release, correct. But TvZ was still always around 50% and now Terran has been very slightly favoured since May (http://aligulac.com/misc/balance/). It was even extremer with Protoss players, who just didn't know how to play vs zerg at the start, but once they figured it out, PvZ was Protoss favoured, despite nerfs to adepts and immortals. I think for an expansion that changed as much as LotV, the game was pretty balanced pretty fast and apart from the first DH maybe, the better player won most of the time. Sure it was never perfect,, but I just can't agree on ZvT "free wins", sorry. | ||
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Poopi
France12790 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On September 17 2016 21:24 Poopi wrote: When I say ZvT "free wins" I mean in the case of a top zerg player such as Nerchio. Of course with decently matched players ZvT although advantageous wasn't free win, but for Nerchio other than MarineLord/Polt there was no competition as the time in ZvT I'm almost certain. Well okay, but was that a balance issue or a skill issue? If you are saying that Nerchio was just too good in zvt for EU/NA, well I can agree on that. Terrans just had not figured it out yet outside of Korea. | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
On September 17 2016 21:20 Poopi wrote: I dunno I figured protoss were super strong as well, I wasn't sure what was worse between super adepts (Seed vs Bomber prepatch) and ultra ultras. Zerg is still doing strong number wise in Europe but indeed at the highest level terrans are catching up in TvZ (MLorD, uThermal and recently HeroMarine are doing well). Point is even though it wasn't "free" wins, not having to struggle in ZvT due to low number of terrans (without considering if the MU was advantageous or not) surely helped having good placements as well. On the other hand other races have to prepare mostly against Z because there is so many of us (or was because the number of relevant Z went down really really hard) | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On September 17 2016 20:41 juvenal wrote: none, no one cares. Just like no one will care when you get eliminated 0-3 in the first round. Cheers. LOL.... | ||
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Sogetsu
514 Posts
Then I started to see how good he was, as a player and as a person, kind of nice guy, and liked him a lot, so I hope he can stay in shape and be on top of competing against Koreans and any other player. I think the 2 Foreign Zergs I like and respect the most are Nerchio and Snute... and honestly I almost don't like Zergs lol, and even less foreigners. So... that said, best of luck to Nerchio and all the foreigners in this tournament, as well at Blizzcon, let's hope they can delete this Korean bias a lot of us have and give us awesome games. | ||
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Yrr
Germany803 Posts
On September 17 2016 21:35 Sogetsu wrote: So... that said, best of luck to Nerchio and all the foreigners in this tournament, as well at Blizzcon, let's hope they can delete this Korean bias a lot of us have. If Nerchio loses Koreans bias... If Nerchio wins, Zerg is OP. If Nerchio wins versus Zerg, ZvZs are random anyway. Not my opinion but I assume this is how it goes. | ||
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Tuckleberry
21 Posts
none, no one cares. Just like no one will care when you get eliminated 0-3 in the first round. Cheers. Hey nerchio, for one hater there is one fan. I'm here to testify. gl on the tournament! | ||
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