EPTOn February 04 2016 18:02 Shakattak wrote:
Only when the release ALL of the details shall i get behind this statement if he is guilty.
Only when the release ALL of the details shall i get behind this statement if he is guilty.
That he eats pumpkins?
Life arrested on match-fixing charges - Page 50
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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote: Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed. This goes for other players too. -The_Templar | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44052 Posts
That he eats pumpkins? | ||
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`sawyer
210 Posts
On February 04 2016 20:03 OtherWorld wrote: So if he's proven guilty of matchfixing 5 games, we should strip him of all his titles, which he supposedly acquired in a legit way? ... What's next, when someone is proven guilty of murdering one's wife, we'll also consider him guilty of murdering one's children and parents, even though they're alive? Great analogy | ||
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ErectedZenith
325 Posts
On February 04 2016 20:03 OtherWorld wrote: So if he's proven guilty of matchfixing 5 games, we should strip him of all his titles, which he supposedly acquired in a legit way? ... What's next, when someone is proven guilty of murdering one's wife, we'll also consider him guilty of murdering one's children and parents, even though they're alive? That's what they did to Savior | ||
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RichardNPL
185 Posts
What's next, when someone is proven guilty of using sports enhancing drugs strip him of all his tour the france titles even though he beat cancer and started a foundation. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
I can't get over that Korea actually tries to uphold rules and they actually try to punish people. Like they don't even want match fixers to be able to stream? That's so alien... In the US, you can steal 300 million from people and just pay your way out of trouble/find loophole. You mean to tell me Korea doesn't even take bribes? What is this world coming to... | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On February 04 2016 20:03 OtherWorld wrote: So if he's proven guilty of matchfixing 5 games, we should strip him of all his titles, which he supposedly acquired in a legit way? ... What's next, when someone is proven guilty of murdering one's wife, we'll also consider him guilty of murdering one's children and parents, even though they're alive? No, but most judicial law systems consider the punishment for a crime when convicted be harsher than the direct consequences of that crime. If punishment was based purely on remunerating the direct tangible consequences then all semblance of tort and judicial jurisdiction breaks down. Partial justification for this is that: what is considered unlawful or immoral often have irreversible consequences well beyond the initial scope of the problem. If the most influential and popular representatives of any institution or social group is found to be corrupt it is no exaggeration to say that there would be severe consequences and reverberations for that entire group or institution. I want to put this in a more local perspective, when I'm on TL browsing and I see news of match fixing, and I read comments from this community that I'm supposedly a part of, I'm startled by many of the opinions I can see. These events become flash points in dividing the community and do actually lead people away from the sport. As somebody who cared enough for BW to participate in local outreach in another country, I actually feel ashamed that people defend matchfixing with their cynical pragmatism as if this is all humanity could strive to be. My opinions and my influence in the community might not matter at all, but it's easy for me to see how people would be turned away from a hobby due to shit like this. | ||
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Philozovic
France1676 Posts
On February 04 2016 20:20 RichardNPL wrote: What's next, when someone is proven guilty of using sports enhancing drugs strip him of all his tour the france titles even though he beat cancer and started a foundation. During an era where no one could have his title because they were loaded to ? What a fraud Don't compare doping with fixing please. Dopers, no matter how wrong they are try to win at all cost. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 04 2016 20:20 RichardNPL wrote: What's next, when someone is proven guilty of using sports enhancing drugs strip him of all his tour the france titles even though he beat cancer and started a foundation. "In an interview with Oprah Winfrey on January 13, 2013 (aired later in two parts), Armstrong admitted to using performance-enhancing drugs throughout much of his career, including all seven Tour de France wins." (emphasis mine ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong_doping_case) Great analogy there mate, except what happened is that they stripped him of titles he had won when doping. He wasn't stripped of his 1996 WC title, for instance, because he was never found guilty of doping at that period. | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On February 04 2016 11:45 Loccstana wrote: Could someone post some VODs of suspicious games that life played? I would like to judge for myself whether his is guilty or not. This one had suspicious betting patterns and Pinnacle voided the bets: It's the only one we can look at that has some publicly known reasons to be suspicious. Whether or not it's part of the investigation, I don't know. | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
On February 04 2016 17:59 Skyhook wrote: CHEATER CHEATER PUMPKIN EATER! HOW CAN WE BE SURE HIS LIFE IS NOT ONE BIG LIE!? HOW DO WE KNOW ALL THOSE TITLES ARE LEGIT?!?! STRIP HIM OF HIS TITLES AND BAN HIM FOREVER!!! So you are suggesting that Life won those titles because his opponents were matchfixing? What the fuck guys. This thread should just be locked until we get an announcement and more info from KeSPA. | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
Did they though? Edit: Found it. They did. "Just" the KeSPA controlled ones. As part of the ban, all his titles and achievements won under KeSPA's governance were vacated, including sAviOr's three MSL and one OSL title. His international achievements, such as at BlizzCon, however, were not under KeSPA's jurisdiction and thus unaffected. | ||
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IceBerrY
Germany220 Posts
You would never know for certain, if there were more games fixed. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
As far as i know all the SL he won have no winner today and he was remove from the hall of fame. I agree with Keemy that this thread should be locked too while we wait for real information. | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On February 04 2016 20:03 OtherWorld wrote: So if he's proven guilty of matchfixing 5 games, we should strip him of all his titles, which he supposedly acquired in a legit way? ... What's next, when someone is proven guilty of murdering one's wife, we'll also consider him guilty of murdering one's children and parents, even though they're alive? Lance Armstrong admits to doping and loses all his shit. How should it be different for E-sport athletes? Match fixing and gambling are some of the worst blight on competitive sport in all areas. You throw matches for money, you don't deserve to be called a champion, thats it. You harm the game as a whole, it cheapens the competitive aspect of it all because of greed. He won those tournaments, yes, but he should be stripped of his titles. If he was really a champion he would give his all, all the time, in every competion and wouldn't let third parties who are out to make a profit have influence on that. The reasons why you analogy doesn't work, it should be obvious, without me having to say it, but I'll say it anyways. Murder only has immediate victims, barring the grief the loved ones feel, it doesn't ruin it for everyone else like match fixing competitions does. You don't get charged for extra murders or blamed for killing more people if you didn't do it. It doesn't work retroactively and you aren't awarded for doing so in the first place so there isn't an incentive to do it. Life and Co. Or whoever else is involved with this fuck it up for people who do give there best and pour thousands of hours into this game for it to be legit. This is spitting in their face. | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
Really, he would be crazy not to. Pumpkin pie is delicious. | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On February 04 2016 20:28 Philozovic wrote: During an era where no one could have his title because they were loaded to ? What a fraud Don't compare doping with fixing please. Dopers, no matter how wrong they are try to win at all cost. Alright, the main thing here is it isn't a true natural competition between athletes, fixing or doping the end result is the same. | ||
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Penev
28463 Posts
On February 04 2016 20:44 Shakattak wrote: Lance Armstrong admits to doping and loses all his shit. How should it be different for E-sport athletes? Match fixing and gambling are some of the worst blight on competitive sport in all areas. You throw matches for money, you don't deserve to be called a champion, thats it. You harm the game as a whole, it cheapens the competitive aspect of it all because of greed. He won those tournaments, yes, but he should be stripped of his titles. If he was really a champion he would give his all, all the time, in every competion and wouldn't let third parties who are out to make a profit have influence on that. The reasons why you analogy doesn't work, it should be obvious, without me having to say it, but I'll say it anyways. Murder only has immediate victims, barring the grief the loved ones feel, it doesn't ruin it for everyone else like match fixing competitions does. You don't get charged for extra murders or blamed for killing more people if you didn't do it. It doesn't work retroactively and you aren't awarded for doing so in the first place so there isn't an incentive to do it. Life and Co. Or whoever else is involved with this fuck it up for people who do give there best and pour thousands of hours into this game for it to be legit. This is spitting in their face. Armstrong is a bad example in this because he only lost the titles he admitted to have been doing doping in. | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On February 04 2016 20:40 FFW_Rude wrote: As far as i know all the SL he won have no winner today and he was remove from the hall of fame. I agree with Keemy that this thread should be locked too while we wait for real information. Why, though? This is a discussion forum and some information is out right now. We may not get more information in ages if the earlier part of this investigation is anything to go by. We may never get the full story. If that match I (re-)linked that was voided is fixed it was done reasonably subtly in my eyes. The game deciding drop and a follow up was done around 10 minutes. Life just had most of his queens out spreading creep when a marine/hellion drop that he had nothing to scout came in. It was elevatored to the edge of his main base where creep didn't reach. The drop did lots of damage and eliminated a spore crawler so that the banshee followup got more done than it otherwise could've. Life's reaction times to the harrass seemed within ranges that are possible in a normal game and he didn't do anything out of the ordinary when reacting to them. | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On February 04 2016 20:26 Caihead wrote: No, but most judicial law systems consider the punishment for a crime when convicted be harsher than the direct consequences of that crime. If punishment was based purely on remunerating the direct tangible consequences then all semblance of tort and judicial jurisdiction breaks down. Partial justification for this is that: what is considered unlawful or immoral often have irreversible consequences well beyond the initial scope of the problem. If the most influential and popular representatives of any institution or social group is found to be corrupt it is no exaggeration to say that there would be severe consequences and reverberations for that entire group or institution. I want to put this in a more local perspective, when I'm on TL browsing and I see news of match fixing, and I read comments from this community that I'm supposedly a part of, I'm startled by many of the opinions I can see. These events become flash points in dividing the community and do actually lead people away from the sport. As somebody who cared enough for BW to participate in local outreach in another country, I actually feel ashamed that people defend matchfixing with their cynical pragmatism as if this is all humanity could strive to be. My opinions and my influence in the community might not matter at all, but it's easy for me to see how people would be turned away from a hobby due to shit like this. This, it isn't cool people claim to love a game but defend people who don't respect it as a competition. | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On February 04 2016 20:50 Penev wrote: Armstrong is a bad example in this because he only lost the titles he admitted to have been doing doping in. Fair enough, I just pulled an example of a champion losing face because of his actions. You are right, I but where as the tour de France will survive doping, esport can't survive if people think it's a glorified gambling ring. | ||
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